PSA: Jews are a racial group

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure what this point of view serves, except for Jewish people to be able to claim “racism” when faced with prejudice. But it’s both wrong and not necessary. You CAN be Jewish and any racial/ethnic group. You can also fully make it argument that it’s wrong to be prejudiced against someone on the basis of religion/culture. It’s not a contest.

You’re an idiot. It’s not an opinion or a contest; it’s a FACT.

Judaism is a religion and an ethnicity.

You can be ethnically, but not religiously, Jewish. Or you can be religiously but not ethnically Jewish. Or you can be both.

[Anonymous]

Is there a space for "Jew" when identifying race? I have never seen it on an employment app.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is there a space for "Jew" when identifying race? I have never seen it on an employment app.

No. But applications don’t list every race or ethnicity, so that’s not a good metric.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure what this point of view serves, except for Jewish people to be able to claim “racism” when faced with prejudice. But it’s both wrong and not necessary. You CAN be Jewish and any racial/ethnic group. You can also fully make it argument that it’s wrong to be prejudiced against someone on the basis of religion/culture. It’s not a contest.

You’re an idiot. It’s not an opinion or a contest; it’s a FACT.

Judaism is a religion and an ethnicity.

You can be ethnically, but not religiously, Jewish. Or you can be religiously but not ethnically Jewish. Or you can be both.

You're only ethnically Jewish if you have some kind of personal connection to Judaism.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a space for "Jew" when identifying race? I have never seen it on an employment app.

No. But applications don’t list every race or ethnicity, so that’s not a good metric.

Most of the apps don't go by ethnicity (that would indeed be too many), but they do list every race. Perhaps they don't list "jews" because the US government has deemed it not a race?

Is Middle Eastern a race? If you are from Syria, what "race" would you or the US government define you as?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure what this point of view serves, except for Jewish people to be able to claim “racism” when faced with prejudice. But it’s both wrong and not necessary. You CAN be Jewish and any racial/ethnic group. You can also fully make it argument that it’s wrong to be prejudiced against someone on the basis of religion/culture. It’s not a contest.

You’re an idiot. It’s not an opinion or a contest; it’s a FACT.

Judaism is a religion and an ethnicity.

You can be ethnically, but not religiously, Jewish. Or you can be religiously but not ethnically Jewish. Or you can be both.

You're only ethnically Jewish if you have some kind of personal connection to Judaism.

Yes, a genetic connection. Listen, you all can say this isn’t true, but it won’t change facts. The ethnic component of Judaism is why the Israeli Law of Return applies to anyone who can substantiate that at least a grandparent was Jewish. If you can do that, regardless of whether you are a practicing Jew, the Israeli government considers you Jewish and will grant you Israeli citizenship.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew%3F

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is there a space for "Jew" when identifying race? I have never seen it on an employment app.

No. But applications don’t list every race or ethnicity, so that’s not a good metric.

Most of the apps don't go by ethnicity (that would indeed be too many), but they do list every race. Perhaps they don't list "jews" because the US government has deemed it not a race?

Is Middle Eastern a race? If you are from Syria, what "race" would you or the US government define you as?

Technically certain sunsets of the broader Jewish populations are ethnicities, not races.

Frankly, as an Ashkenazi Jew, I wouldn’t want to feel pressure to identify myself on an employment application because I’d fear discrimination.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure what this point of view serves, except for Jewish people to be able to claim “racism” when faced with prejudice. But it’s both wrong and not necessary. You CAN be Jewish and any racial/ethnic group. You can also fully make it argument that it’s wrong to be prejudiced against someone on the basis of religion/culture. It’s not a contest.

You’re an idiot. It’s not an opinion or a contest; it’s a FACT.

Judaism is a religion and an ethnicity.

You can be ethnically, but not religiously, Jewish. Or you can be religiously but not ethnically Jewish. Or you can be both.

You're only ethnically Jewish if you have some kind of personal connection to Judaism.

Yes, a genetic connection. Listen, you all can say this isn’t true, but it won’t change facts. The ethnic component of Judaism is why the Israeli Law of Return applies to anyone who can substantiate that at least a grandparent was Jewish. If you can do that, regardless of whether you are a practicing Jew, the Israeli government considers you Jewish and will grant you Israeli citizenship.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew%3F

Your thinking is pretty muddled. The Israeli government doesn't require a genetic test or a family tree; just that a grandparent be Jewish (which is a proxy for the degree of personal connection to Judaism that the government has decided should confer citizenship.)

Curious to know 1) what is your agenda in this PSA? and 2) what is your definition of "ethnicity"?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure what this point of view serves, except for Jewish people to be able to claim “racism” when faced with prejudice. But it’s both wrong and not necessary. You CAN be Jewish and any racial/ethnic group. You can also fully make it argument that it’s wrong to be prejudiced against someone on the basis of religion/culture. It’s not a contest.

You’re an idiot. It’s not an opinion or a contest; it’s a FACT.

Judaism is a religion and an ethnicity.

You can be ethnically, but not religiously, Jewish. Or you can be religiously but not ethnically Jewish. Or you can be both.

You're only ethnically Jewish if you have some kind of personal connection to Judaism.

Yes, a genetic connection. Listen, you all can say this isn’t true, but it won’t change facts. The ethnic component of Judaism is why the Israeli Law of Return applies to anyone who can substantiate that at least a grandparent was Jewish. If you can do that, regardless of whether you are a practicing Jew, the Israeli government considers you Jewish and will grant you Israeli citizenship.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew%3F

So are all Irish people ethnically Catholic?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure what this point of view serves, except for Jewish people to be able to claim “racism” when faced with prejudice. But it’s both wrong and not necessary. You CAN be Jewish and any racial/ethnic group. You can also fully make it argument that it’s wrong to be prejudiced against someone on the basis of religion/culture. It’s not a contest.

You’re an idiot. It’s not an opinion or a contest; it’s a FACT.

Judaism is a religion and an ethnicity.

You can be ethnically, but not religiously, Jewish. Or you can be religiously but not ethnically Jewish. Or you can be both.

You're only ethnically Jewish if you have some kind of personal connection to Judaism.

Yes, a genetic connection. Listen, you all can say this isn’t true, but it won’t change facts. The ethnic component of Judaism is why the Israeli Law of Return applies to anyone who can substantiate that at least a grandparent was Jewish. If you can do that, regardless of whether you are a practicing Jew, the Israeli government considers you Jewish and will grant you Israeli citizenship.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew%3F

Your thinking is pretty muddled. The Israeli government doesn't require a genetic test or a family tree; just that a grandparent be Jewish (which is a proxy for the degree of personal connection to Judaism that the government has decided should confer citizenship.)

Curious to know 1) what is your agenda in this PSA? and 2) what is your definition of "ethnicity"?

My agenda is to correct a misconception.

There have been scientific studies proving Ashkenazi Jews are a distinct ethnic group: https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms5835

Why are you so opposed to accepting this?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure what this point of view serves, except for Jewish people to be able to claim “racism” when faced with prejudice. But it’s both wrong and not necessary. You CAN be Jewish and any racial/ethnic group. You can also fully make it argument that it’s wrong to be prejudiced against someone on the basis of religion/culture. It’s not a contest.

You’re an idiot. It’s not an opinion or a contest; it’s a FACT.

Judaism is a religion and an ethnicity.

You can be ethnically, but not religiously, Jewish. Or you can be religiously but not ethnically Jewish. Or you can be both.

You're only ethnically Jewish if you have some kind of personal connection to Judaism.

Yes, a genetic connection. Listen, you all can say this isn’t true, but it won’t change facts. The ethnic component of Judaism is why the Israeli Law of Return applies to anyone who can substantiate that at least a grandparent was Jewish. If you can do that, regardless of whether you are a practicing Jew, the Israeli government considers you Jewish and will grant you Israeli citizenship.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew%3F

So are all Irish people ethnically Catholic?

I have no clue. This conversation isn’t about Catholicism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure what this point of view serves, except for Jewish people to be able to claim “racism” when faced with prejudice. But it’s both wrong and not necessary. You CAN be Jewish and any racial/ethnic group. You can also fully make it argument that it’s wrong to be prejudiced against someone on the basis of religion/culture. It’s not a contest.

The OP has some kind of stake in wanting Jews to be a race. S/he has posted elsewhere basically claiming that Jews should assimilate to the majority culture by giving up their religious rituals in favor of being like most Americans, and that somehow they stay Jewish after they do this. So, Jews can go to church because their neighbors do, but still be able to post on Internet sites about how Jews experience life in America, or feel about their religion.

I am descended from one of 3 Jewish brothers who immigrated to the US in the 1830s. My "branch" is the only one that is still Jewish. My distant cousins elsewhere in the country are all solidly protestant, and just consider their Jewish ancestors an interesting bit of family genealogy.

And maybe it's to claim victimhood, but more often, calling Jews a race has been used to deny them rights and citizenship. So I don't think it's actual Jews who promote this designation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure what this point of view serves, except for Jewish people to be able to claim “racism” when faced with prejudice. But it’s both wrong and not necessary. You CAN be Jewish and any racial/ethnic group. You can also fully make it argument that it’s wrong to be prejudiced against someone on the basis of religion/culture. It’s not a contest.

You’re an idiot. It’s not an opinion or a contest; it’s a FACT.

Judaism is a religion and an ethnicity.

You can be ethnically, but not religiously, Jewish. Or you can be religiously but not ethnically Jewish. Or you can be both.

You're only ethnically Jewish if you have some kind of personal connection to Judaism.

Yes, a genetic connection. Listen, you all can say this isn’t true, but it won’t change facts. The ethnic component of Judaism is why the Israeli Law of Return applies to anyone who can substantiate that at least a grandparent was Jewish. If you can do that, regardless of whether you are a practicing Jew, the Israeli government considers you Jewish and will grant you Israeli citizenship.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew%3F

Your thinking is pretty muddled. The Israeli government doesn't require a genetic test or a family tree; just that a grandparent be Jewish (which is a proxy for the degree of personal connection to Judaism that the government has decided should confer citizenship.)

Curious to know 1) what is your agenda in this PSA? and 2) what is your definition of "ethnicity"?

My agenda is to correct a misconception.

There have been scientific studies proving Ashkenazi Jews are a distinct ethnic group: https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms5835

Why are you so opposed to accepting this?

I just don't understand WHY you care, and what ethnicity means to you. Otherwise what's the point of your PSA?

I object to it because I think that Judaism primarily is a religion and culture to people. So if a person has no connection to the religion OR culture, I am not sure why you want to insist on calling them "ethnically Jewish."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure what this point of view serves, except for Jewish people to be able to claim “racism” when faced with prejudice. But it’s both wrong and not necessary. You CAN be Jewish and any racial/ethnic group. You can also fully make it argument that it’s wrong to be prejudiced against someone on the basis of religion/culture. It’s not a contest.

You’re an idiot. It’s not an opinion or a contest; it’s a FACT.

Judaism is a religion and an ethnicity.

You can be ethnically, but not religiously, Jewish. Or you can be religiously but not ethnically Jewish. Or you can be both.

You're only ethnically Jewish if you have some kind of personal connection to Judaism.

Yes, a genetic connection. Listen, you all can say this isn’t true, but it won’t change facts. The ethnic component of Judaism is why the Israeli Law of Return applies to anyone who can substantiate that at least a grandparent was Jewish. If you can do that, regardless of whether you are a practicing Jew, the Israeli government considers you Jewish and will grant you Israeli citizenship.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew%3F

So are all Irish people ethnically Catholic?

I have no clue. This conversation isn’t about Catholicism.

What is this conversation about, then?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure what this point of view serves, except for Jewish people to be able to claim “racism” when faced with prejudice. But it’s both wrong and not necessary. You CAN be Jewish and any racial/ethnic group. You can also fully make it argument that it’s wrong to be prejudiced against someone on the basis of religion/culture. It’s not a contest.

The OP has some kind of stake in wanting Jews to be a race. S/he has posted elsewhere basically claiming that Jews should assimilate to the majority culture by giving up their religious rituals in favor of being like most Americans, and that somehow they stay Jewish after they do this. So, Jews can go to church because their neighbors do, but still be able to post on Internet sites about how Jews experience life in America, or feel about their religion.

I am descended from one of 3 Jewish brothers who immigrated to the US in the 1830s. My "branch" is the only one that is still Jewish. My distant cousins elsewhere in the country are all solidly protestant, and just consider their Jewish ancestors an interesting bit of family genealogy.

And maybe it's to claim victimhood, but more often, calling Jews a race has been used to deny them rights and citizenship. So I don't think it's actual Jews who promote this designation.

WTF? I’m Jewish and haven’t posted anything about how Jews should assimilate.

My point is to discuss something us Jews are PROUD OF. I am a proud Ashkenazi Jewish woman who takes pride in the ethnic component of my Jewish identity.

Just because that fact has been exploited by Nazis and others to strip us of rights and identify us for extermination does not change the fact that it is a celebrated part of our identity.

So stop spewing nonsense and making assumptions about what I’ve posted and believe.