Trump Example and the Idea of the Disposable Wife

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

There have never been any societal or professional consequences or opprobrium for dumping an older wife for a younger model. All societal and professional points in such a marriage are attached to the husband so they do not convey.

The consequence for dumping a wife (or getting dumped) is alimony. And the second sentence is total lunacy.

Alimony doesn't hurt professional or social standing.

What part of the second sentence do you not understand? If the husband is a high earner at the top of his profession, he will be in demand socially and professionally. If he leaves his wife and marries someone else, he won't suffer socially or professionally because his professional and social status comes from him, not his wife. Wife #1 won't take those with her when she leaves. That's what "do not convey"means. These things stay with the husband. They don't go with the wife.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know that older men and younger trophy wives have existed forever, but I feel that Trump took it to the next level by demonstrating to even conservative, aspirational, and ambitious men that there are absolutely no societal or professional consequences and opprobium any more for dumping a longtime spouse in favor of an affair partner. If anything Trump shows that such a partner can further and assist in your ambition by making you look younger, or bringing in other professional connections, or simply making you happier with more sex. It makes me sad to see that wives are considered disposable. Anecdotally I have seen a rash of divorces, including some Texas friends who have been together since college (now in their 50s), with children, who have moved around the country a lot so that he could advance in his career. She is beautiful, fun, social, and they always seemed incredibly connected and happy. But now that he earns many millions each year, he is out of the marriage. I can tell you several other stories like that one.

Uh, this is quite normal. Are you new to the world? My CEO recently married a 24yr old. He left his wife for her when she was 222. His wife was 48 and the mother to his 3 kids.

What kind of consequences would there be for our CEO? He still has a great career and a ton of respect from people who matter from an outside perspective. Trump is not special, nor did he start a trend. The more successful a man is the more young pu$$y is thrown at him.

Since this information is obviously public knowledge, and true information, could you please PP post who the CEO of your company is, and include the company's name? I, for one, would like to direct a little public opprobrium and snark his way.

In fact, we should have Jeff start a new public forum called TSL for The Scarlet Letter where people can post publicly available and truthful information about these corporate affairs that break up marriages (Wall Street, Washington, Silicon Valley, etc.) and name the parties involved. Everyone is free to pursue a new life with whomever they want, but that does not mean that they shouldn't be subjected to a little public airing of their dirty laundry for it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

There have never been any societal or professional consequences or opprobrium for dumping an older wife for a younger model. All societal and professional points in such a marriage are attached to the husband so they do not convey.

The consequence for dumping a wife (or getting dumped) is alimony. And the second sentence is total lunacy.

I am receiving $11,000/month for the next 6 years in alimony. Hefty child support as well. He can take his "societal and professional points" with him, I have my own. He can also take his mental illness and narcissistic personality along and bestow them upon anyone he pleases.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know that older men and younger trophy wives have existed forever, but I feel that Trump took it to the next level by demonstrating to even conservative, aspirational, and ambitious men that there are absolutely no societal or professional consequences and opprobium any more for dumping a longtime spouse in favor of an affair partner. If anything Trump shows that such a partner can further and assist in your ambition by making you look younger, or bringing in other professional connections, or simply making you happier with more sex. It makes me sad to see that wives are considered disposable. Anecdotally I have seen a rash of divorces, including some Texas friends who have been together since college (now in their 50s), with children, who have moved around the country a lot so that he could advance in his career. She is beautiful, fun, social, and they always seemed incredibly connected and happy. But now that he earns many millions each year, he is out of the marriage. I can tell you several other stories like that one.

Uh, this is quite normal. Are you new to the world? My CEO recently married a 24yr old. He left his wife for her when she was 222. His wife was 48 and the mother to his 3 kids.

What kind of consequences would there be for our CEO? He still has a great career and a ton of respect from people who matter from an outside perspective. Trump is not special, nor did he start a trend. The more successful a man is the more young pu$$y is thrown at him.

Since this information is obviously public knowledge, and true information, could you please PP post who the CEO of your company is, and include the company's name? I, for one, would like to direct a little public opprobrium and snark his way.

In fact, we should have Jeff start a new public forum called TSL for The Scarlet Letter where people can post publicly available and truthful information about these corporate affairs that break up marriages (Wall Street, Washington, Silicon Valley, etc.) and name the parties involved. Everyone is free to pursue a new life with whomever they want, but that does not mean that they shouldn't be subjected to a little public airing of their dirty laundry for it.

I'm sure Jeff is dying to have his pants sued off by these very well-heeled men that you'd like to target. And yes, I'm aware you wrote "publicly available and truthful." Bahahaha.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know that older men and younger trophy wives have existed forever, but I feel that Trump took it to the next level by demonstrating to even conservative, aspirational, and ambitious men that there are absolutely no societal or professional consequences and opprobium any more for dumping a longtime spouse in favor of an affair partner. If anything Trump shows that such a partner can further and assist in your ambition by making you look younger, or bringing in other professional connections, or simply making you happier with more sex. It makes me sad to see that wives are considered disposable. Anecdotally I have seen a rash of divorces, including some Texas friends who have been together since college (now in their 50s), with children, who have moved around the country a lot so that he could advance in his career. She is beautiful, fun, social, and they always seemed incredibly connected and happy. But now that he earns many millions each year, he is out of the marriage. I can tell you several other stories like that one.

Uh, this is quite normal. Are you new to the world? My CEO recently married a 24yr old. He left his wife for her when she was 222. His wife was 48 and the mother to his 3 kids.

What kind of consequences would there be for our CEO? He still has a great career and a ton of respect from people who matter from an outside perspective. Trump is not special, nor did he start a trend. The more successful a man is the more young pu$$y is thrown at him.

Since this information is obviously public knowledge, and true information, could you please PP post who the CEO of your company is, and include the company's name? I, for one, would like to direct a little public opprobrium and snark his way.

In fact, we should have Jeff start a new public forum called TSL for The Scarlet Letter where people can post publicly available and truthful information about these corporate affairs that break up marriages (Wall Street, Washington, Silicon Valley, etc.) and name the parties involved. Everyone is free to pursue a new life with whomever they want, but that does not mean that they shouldn't be subjected to a little public airing of their dirty laundry for it.

The forum should be called TSW...The Scorned Women.

Personally I dont care what Bill Clinton, Donalt Trump, or any other man or woman does in their relationship. Not my problem, not my battle to fight.

[Anonymous]

Truth is an absolute defense to defamation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Truth is an absolute defense to defamation.

How is it relevant?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There have never been any societal or professional consequences or opprobrium for dumping an older wife for a younger model. All societal and professional points in such a marriage are attached to the husband so they do not convey.

The consequence for dumping a wife (or getting dumped) is alimony. And the second sentence is total lunacy.

Alimony doesn't hurt professional or social standing.

What part of the second sentence do you not understand? If the husband is a high earner at the top of his profession, he will be in demand socially and professionally. If he leaves his wife and marries someone else, he won't suffer socially or professionally because his professional and social status comes from him, not his wife. Wife #1 won't take those with her when she leaves. That's what "do not convey"means. These things stay with the husband. They don't go with the wife.

You seem to suggest that someone should suffer professionally, be shunned even, because he divorces. Giving a crap about some other couple’s private affairs is nuts. A doctor doesn’t become less proficient as a result of divorcing; we tend to want a good doctor, not a virtuous one.

[Anonymous]

I saw this happen enough with my friends’ moms and my mom’s friends that I learned to take care of myself. I’m currently outearning DH (although we’re neck and neck and it can change). If he wants to dump me for a newer model, it would definitely sting but I wouldn’t be dependent on alimony. I’d likely find a newer model myself!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There have never been any societal or professional consequences or opprobrium for dumping an older wife for a younger model. All societal and professional points in such a marriage are attached to the husband so they do not convey.

The consequence for dumping a wife (or getting dumped) is alimony. And the second sentence is total lunacy.

Alimony doesn't hurt professional or social standing.

What part of the second sentence do you not understand? If the husband is a high earner at the top of his profession, he will be in demand socially and professionally. If he leaves his wife and marries someone else, he won't suffer socially or professionally because his professional and social status comes from him, not his wife. Wife #1 won't take those with her when she leaves. That's what "do not convey"means. These things stay with the husband. They don't go with the wife.

You seem to suggest that someone should suffer professionally, be shunned even, because he divorces. Giving a crap about some other couple’s private affairs is nuts. A doctor doesn’t become less proficient as a result of divorcing; we tend to want a good doctor, not a virtuous one.

You misread. I am objecting to the OP's claim that divorced high-powered men should suffer professional or social damage. Because they don't and I don't see why they should.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There have never been any societal or professional consequences or opprobrium for dumping an older wife for a younger model. All societal and professional points in such a marriage are attached to the husband so they do not convey.

The consequence for dumping a wife (or getting dumped) is alimony. And the second sentence is total lunacy.

Alimony doesn't hurt professional or social standing.

What part of the second sentence do you not understand? If the husband is a high earner at the top of his profession, he will be in demand socially and professionally. If he leaves his wife and marries someone else, he won't suffer socially or professionally because his professional and social status comes from him, not his wife. Wife #1 won't take those with her when she leaves. That's what "do not convey"means. These things stay with the husband. They don't go with the wife.

You seem to suggest that someone should suffer professionally, be shunned even, because he divorces. Giving a crap about some other couple’s private affairs is nuts. A doctor doesn’t become less proficient as a result of divorcing; we tend to want a good doctor, not a virtuous one.

It used to happen that was often the case. Read this NYT article as it pertains to William Agee, once one of America's "rock star CEOs" at "Bendix, one of the country's largest auto part makers". He took up with his much younger, fresh out of Harvard Business School, executive "protégée" Mary Cunningham. William Agee eventually left Bendix and married Mary Cunningham, but his career was never quite the same again (RCA "shunned" his offer to buy a stake in the company, "saying the chief executive hadn’t 'demonstrated the ability to manage his own affairs, let alone someone else’s.'”). Interestingly, at the end of his life, only weeks away from his death, Mr. Cunningham traveled back "to Seattle to reconnect [and reconcile] with his children and grandchildren with his first wife [Dine Weaver]" and remained there until his death.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/10/business/before-metoo-there-was-mary-cunningham.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I saw this happen enough with my friends’ moms and my mom’s friends that I learned to take care of myself. I’m currently outearning DH (although we’re neck and neck and it can change). If he wants to dump me for a newer model, it would definitely sting but I wouldn’t be dependent on alimony. I’d likely find a newer model myself!

Do you usually make decisions based in insecurity?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There have never been any societal or professional consequences or opprobrium for dumping an older wife for a younger model. All societal and professional points in such a marriage are attached to the husband so they do not convey.

The consequence for dumping a wife (or getting dumped) is alimony. And the second sentence is total lunacy.

Alimony doesn't hurt professional or social standing.

What part of the second sentence do you not understand? If the husband is a high earner at the top of his profession, he will be in demand socially and professionally. If he leaves his wife and marries someone else, he won't suffer socially or professionally because his professional and social status comes from him, not his wife. Wife #1 won't take those with her when she leaves. That's what "do not convey"means. These things stay with the husband. They don't go with the wife.

You seem to suggest that someone should suffer professionally, be shunned even, because he divorces. Giving a crap about some other couple’s private affairs is nuts. A doctor doesn’t become less proficient as a result of divorcing; we tend to want a good doctor, not a virtuous one.

It used to happen that was often the case. Read this NYT article as it pertains to William Agee, once one of America's "rock star CEOs" at "Bendix, one of the country's largest auto part makers". He took up with his much younger, fresh out of Harvard Business School, executive "protégée" Mary Cunningham. William Agee eventually left Bendix and married Mary Cunningham, but his career was never quite the same again (RCA "shunned" his offer to buy a stake in the company, "saying the chief executive hadn’t 'demonstrated the ability to manage his own affairs, let alone someone else’s.'”). Interestingly, at the end of his life, only weeks away from his death, Mr. Cunningham traveled back "to Seattle to reconnect [and reconcile] with his children and grandchildren with his first wife [Dine Weaver]" and remained there until his death.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/10/business/before-metoo-there-was-mary-cunningham.html

And here is a more recent WSJ story about how a disclosed "romantic relationship" between two "separated" executives at different companies resulted in the woman being "terminated" by her employer, but the man simply remaining in place. I recognize that this is a slightly different situation as the scrutiny came from the possible appearance of a conflict of interest resulting from the "romantic relationship", and not because of the relationship per se. It is nevertheless interesting to note that the conservative, staid WSJ made a point of including the following fact in the article, which was not relevant to the conflict-of-interest accusation since it pertained not to the time (i.e., 2015-16) or corporate employers at issue, but rather to a place of employment where both parties had previously overlapped working together in the distant past (i.e., 2006-08):

"Mr. M[], 57 years old, and Ms. R[], 45, who are still in a relationship, worked together previously at [BofA], where Mr. M[] was general counsel between January 2004 and December 2008. Ms. R[] was an associate general counsel at the bank from June 2006 to June 2011."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/romantic-relationship-with-fannie-mae-ceo-prompted-firing-of-fifth-third-lawyer-1470871838

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I saw this happen enough with my friends’ moms and my mom’s friends that I learned to take care of myself. I’m currently outearning DH (although we’re neck and neck and it can change). If he wants to dump me for a newer model, it would definitely sting but I wouldn’t be dependent on alimony. I’d likely find a newer model myself!

Do you usually make decisions based in insecurity?

The previous poster is very intelligent and accomplished to be able to take care of herself, and not have to rely on another person. I suspect, however, that she is a successful professional for reasons of personal fulfillment, happiness, and ambition -- just like any similarly situated man.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know that older men and younger trophy wives have existed forever, but I feel that Trump took it to the next level by demonstrating to even conservative, aspirational, and ambitious men that there are absolutely no societal or professional consequences and opprobium any more for dumping a longtime spouse in favor of an affair partner. If anything Trump shows that such a partner can further and assist in your ambition by making you look younger, or bringing in other professional connections, or simply making you happier with more sex. It makes me sad to see that wives are considered disposable. Anecdotally I have seen a rash of divorces, including some Texas friends who have been together since college (now in their 50s), with children, who have moved around the country a lot so that he could advance in his career. She is beautiful, fun, social, and they always seemed incredibly connected and happy. But now that he earns many millions each year, he is out of the marriage. I can tell you several other stories like that one.

Trump is a weird example.

Melania doesn’t make him look younger. And what has she done to bring in other professional connection? I also HIGHLY doubt they have sex at all considering she seems repulsed by his touch and the other mistress (not stormy, the playboy one) said they sleep in separate beds.