Brown v UChicago?
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Anonymous
Wait. Gets in to U of C and Brown, but not PhD or MD caliber? You are selling your kid short. She is obviously bright enough and hard working enough. She has no idea what she wants to be and chose her goals to be the kind of thing a kid would know about. Let her bring her attributes to either school, start to shine (or not) and then decide if she is good enough for those kids of futures when she actually has more knowledge than a high school kid. Either school is fine. I would want to know more about the summer program before deciding. It is easier to flounder at Brown because there are fewer requirements keeping you on task. However, that is a personal preference whether a person wants the structure or not. Congratulations to your kid. |
Anonymous
| I (11:02/11:07) just want to point out that (while we seem to have a very similar take on UChicago and both have DCs there now) 11:31 is a different poster. |
Anonymous
| I think a late bloomer would be well served by going to a school whose reputation was built on channeling young minds to potential. If she has a resilient personlity, which I would suspect she would after years of following her own drum, UChicago would be a good match. The school and the students prioritize work over fun, both are there in bountiful amounts, but everyone unerstands if you have to study or work on your interest vs go out. No social pressure to party every night. In that way it's relaxed, you can do what you want and still have plenty of friends. Very inclusive atmosphere. |
Anonymous
| Why is everyone assuming OP’s DC is a DD? |
Anonymous
| Going to a precollege program all summer long sounds like death to me. |
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Neither school would admit your child without having confidence that the child would do well. If you're bright enough to be admitted, you're bright enough to make the most of the education. I don't know about Chicago (which has apparently changed a lot in recent years) but Brown's four year graduation rate, along with the other top colleges, is in the very high 90%s. We're not exactly talking about MIT level gruelling workload at either place. I don't think you can go wrong with either place. It's all about what you do to take advantage of the richness of both colleges.
If it does make a difference, US News ranks Brown third, following Princeton and Dartmouth, for quality of undergraduate teaching. |
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https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/highest-grad-rate
According to USNWR’s most recent data, 4 year grad rate is 89% at Chicago and 84% at Brown. No school is high 90s (I think PP was probably remembering 6 year grad rates, which are more frequently cited). Re workload. I think the consensus among DC’S STEM BFs is Harvey Mudd>UChicago>MIT>Harvard. One kid at each, so personality and subfield may figure heavily. Same HS background. Interestingly, the Mudd and Chicago kids are happiest of the four. Mudd and MIT have P/F first year. Chicago is the only one on a quarter system, IIRC. |
Anonymous
Are those the only two choices, or just the two most prestigious? If those are really the only two: I'll bet there are more people on her wavelength at Brown, and she's better off there. If she has a good, nurturing liberal arts college offering merit aid, maybe she'd be better off at less prestigious school that loves her than a school that thinks of her as a regular admit. |
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DC should definitely visit both:
In addition to all the points others have made: UofC -the quarter system is crushing, I was always completely done by spring -while there are plenty of grinds at Chicago, nerdiness and intellectual curiosity are more important to success than being a really hard worker. I knew plenty of smart procrastinators who did fine there. -the city of Chicago is an amazing asset, but only for intrepid students, others will feel trapped in hyde park (if you visit either take the 55 bus from Midway to campus, or take the red line to 55th street and take the 55 bus to campus so your kid can get a sense of where campus is in relation to the rest of the city -no ed department. I don't know that that actually matters for an undergrad, unless they really wouldn't be up for going on for an MA Brown -Ed dept seems to be in a bit of turmoil, but that might be more at the grad level. -Students can definitely come out feeling like they were unfocused and missed key classes (people going into ed policy who never took stats for example), but students can address this by working with their advisor to make a solid course plan and by taking classes that they aren't super enthusiastic about -Providence is a great little city and seems like a fun place to be a college student, and NYC is only a few hours away by bus, and Boston is one hour away by train |
Anonymous
| If the interesting hooks are anything other than academically focused and it’s something they want to continue in college, then Brown is likely a better fit. But I would let your kid attend both schools’ admitted students event and let them decide. They’re the one who has to live with the decision |
Anonymous
| Chicago has lots of programs that put undergrads in public schools. There are both teaching and research opportunities. |
Anonymous
Better than destroying your GPA after a brutal first semester/quarter. Besides, chance to attend Lollapalooza concert festival. |
Anonymous
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https://careeradvancement.uchicago.edu/sites/default/files/docs/uciep-overview.pdf
This is the career services brochure for UChicago undergrads interested in K-12 education |
Anonymous
| What’s a likely letter? |
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You are talking about what is probably one of the top 3 most academically rigorous elite colleges (Chicago, Caltech, MIT) and arguably the least rigorous and intense elite college (Brown).
Huge differences in academic philosophy and campus vibe. Since both schools have comparable prestige for undergrad, i would choose solely based on fit. |