How is the new pilot offering equivalent to TPMS/Eastern

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The new pilot is not even close to being equivalent. The Magnet programs have multiple courses and the program is designed to have continuity throughout MS. The pilot is 2 classes - one math and one humanities and some schools won't even have both. If you happen to be a kid who was blocked from the STEM magnets because of where your home school was located but your home school only gets the humannities class well too bad for you.
Trying in any way to say this offering is equivalent is incredibly bogus. This is like saying taking one elective in college confers the same knowledge and skill as completing multiple course requirements for a major. No fool would but this crap.

Do you, or don't you, think that offering these classes in the home middle schools is better than not offering these classes?

[Anonymous]

I find it interesting that MCPS is piloting this program at many more schools than just the few that were blocked from getting into the magnets. I wonder what excuse they will come up with now for why CES, Chevy Chase and Barnesly were blocked now that they just blew their "cohort" explanation. MCPS really sucks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:jesus. can you wait until you see what it is before condemning it?

Has waiting to see whether someone really screws you over worked for ANYONE in the past?

Think before you type, PP.

We are entitled to more information and concrete plans for students rejected from magnets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The new pilot is not even close to being equivalent. The Magnet programs have multiple courses and the program is designed to have continuity throughout MS. The pilot is 2 classes - one math and one humanities and some schools won't even have both. If you happen to be a kid who was blocked from the STEM magnets because of where your home school was located but your home school only gets the humannities class well too bad for you.
Trying in any way to say this offering is equivalent is incredibly bogus. This is like saying taking one elective in college confers the same knowledge and skill as completing multiple course requirements for a major. No fool would but this crap.

Do you, or don't you, think that offering these classes in the home middle schools is better than not offering these classes?

I don't think the question is if offering something is better than nothing. Something is always better than nothing. However, it still does not explain away MCPS using cohort as justification to keep groups kids at their homeschool, and not provide a suitable curriculum for them.

[Anonymous]

I’m a teacher not a parent, and I believe there should be differentiation for gifted kids, but here are my predictions:

Admin and counselors at places like Cabin John and Pyle get DELUGED with calls/emails from parents who think their child should be in the pilot classes. “We wanted to be close to home so we didn’t apply to the magnet, but my child could have gotten in and therefore they should be in that section.” There probably are way more qualified kids at a huge school like Pyle than there are spots in those classes.

Teachers get ticked off that they have five minutes to learn yet another curriculum, knowing that many parents will be displeased with the rollout and they’ll be the ones to bear the brunt of that.

Mega scheduling problems—yet to be determined, sure to happen. Tons of annoyed counselors upset that they too have yet another thing to deal with. Hopefully that master scheduling training will be done well.

Totally irritated principals who have disdain for the “pushy” gifted community who think their children are “special snowflakes”—and who’ve been trying to head off this type of differentiation for years. They now will have to admit defeat on the matter, at least temporarily.

It won’t be enough. No matter what, it won’t be enough. And there will be a lot of unhappy parents whose kids don’t get to take these classes. And so...

Eventually everyone will get to take the magnet-ish classes, and we’ll all be back to where we started. ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:jesus. can you wait until you see what it is before condemning it?

Has waiting to see whether someone really screws you over worked for ANYONE in the past?

Think before you type, PP.

We are entitled to more information and concrete plans for students rejected from magnets.

you got a plan, and a timeline. the magnets were MASSIVELY unfair before the new admissions process was put into place. what mcps is doing makes sense. if you don’t like it, move or go to a private.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:jesus. can you wait until you see what it is before condemning it?

Has waiting to see whether someone really screws you over worked for ANYONE in the past?

Think before you type, PP.

We are entitled to more information and concrete plans for students rejected from magnets.

you got a plan, and a timeline. the magnets were MASSIVELY unfair before the new admissions process was put into place. what mcps is doing makes sense. if you don’t like it, move or go to a private.

This is not a proper plan! To me, it's like saying we can't give you that $2K bonus despite your equivalent performance to your coworker, but hey...here's $3 to go get yourself a snack from the vending machine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m a teacher not a parent, and I believe there should be differentiation for gifted kids, but here are my predictions:

Admin and counselors at places like Cabin John and Pyle get DELUGED with calls/emails from parents who think their child should be in the pilot classes. “We wanted to be close to home so we didn’t apply to the magnet, but my child could have gotten in and therefore they should be in that section.” There probably are way more qualified kids at a huge school like Pyle than there are spots in those classes.

Teachers get ticked off that they have five minutes to learn yet another curriculum, knowing that many parents will be displeased with the rollout and they’ll be the ones to bear the brunt of that.

Mega scheduling problems—yet to be determined, sure to happen. Tons of annoyed counselors upset that they too have yet another thing to deal with. Hopefully that master scheduling training will be done well.

Totally irritated principals who have disdain for the “pushy” gifted community who think their children are “special snowflakes”—and who’ve been trying to head off this type of differentiation for years. They now will have to admit defeat on the matter, at least temporarily.

It won’t be enough. No matter what, it won’t be enough. And there will be a lot of unhappy parents whose kids don’t get to take these classes. And so...

Eventually everyone will get to take the magnet-ish classes, and we’ll all be back to where we started. ?

Thank you for your honest input.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:jesus. can you wait until you see what it is before condemning it?

Has waiting to see whether someone really screws you over worked for ANYONE in the past?

Think before you type, PP.

We are entitled to more information and concrete plans for students rejected from magnets.

you got a plan, and a timeline. the magnets were MASSIVELY unfair before the new admissions process was put into place. what mcps is doing makes sense. if you don’t like it, move or go to a private.

This is not a proper plan! To me, it's like saying we can't give you that $2K bonus despite your equivalent performance to your coworker, but hey...here's $3 to go get yourself a snack from the vending machine.

they had to equalize the process. the old way was clearly bad for kids without in the know parents. this is the result. i really don’t feel bad for you that your snowflake might have to survive with just enriched programming, and not a full magnet program, because the county made a wholly logical decision.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:jesus. can you wait until you see what it is before condemning it?

Has waiting to see whether someone really screws you over worked for ANYONE in the past?

Think before you type, PP.

We are entitled to more information and concrete plans for students rejected from magnets.

you got a plan, and a timeline. the magnets were MASSIVELY unfair before the new admissions process was put into place. what mcps is doing makes sense. if you don’t like it, move or go to a private.

This is not a proper plan! To me, it's like saying we can't give you that $2K bonus despite your equivalent performance to your coworker, but hey...here's $3 to go get yourself a snack from the vending machine.

So what would be your plan?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:jesus. can you wait until you see what it is before condemning it?

Has waiting to see whether someone really screws you over worked for ANYONE in the past?

Think before you type, PP.

We are entitled to more information and concrete plans for students rejected from magnets.

you got a plan, and a timeline. the magnets were MASSIVELY unfair before the new admissions process was put into place. what mcps is doing makes sense. if you don’t like it, move or go to a private.

This is not a proper plan! To me, it's like saying we can't give you that $2K bonus despite your equivalent performance to your coworker, but hey...here's $3 to go get yourself a snack from the vending machine.

they had to equalize the process. the old way was clearly bad for kids without in the know parents. this is the result. i really don’t feel bad for you that your snowflake might have to survive with just enriched programming, and not a full magnet program, because the county made a wholly logical decision.

This isn't equalizing the process.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:jesus. can you wait until you see what it is before condemning it?

Has waiting to see whether someone really screws you over worked for ANYONE in the past?

Think before you type, PP.

We are entitled to more information and concrete plans for students rejected from magnets.

you got a plan, and a timeline. the magnets were MASSIVELY unfair before the new admissions process was put into place. what mcps is doing makes sense. if you don’t like it, move or go to a private.

This is not a proper plan! To me, it's like saying we can't give you that $2K bonus despite your equivalent performance to your coworker, but hey...here's $3 to go get yourself a snack from the vending machine.

they had to equalize the process. the old way was clearly bad for kids without in the know parents. this is the result. i really don’t feel bad for you that your snowflake might have to survive with just enriched programming, and not a full magnet program, because the county made a wholly logical decision.

This isn't equalizing the process.

yes it is, because it involves broad testing, rather than hinging the process on parent and teacher recommendations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:jesus. can you wait until you see what it is before condemning it?

Has waiting to see whether someone really screws you over worked for ANYONE in the past?

Think before you type, PP.

We are entitled to more information and concrete plans for students rejected from magnets.

you got a plan, and a timeline. the magnets were MASSIVELY unfair before the new admissions process was put into place. what mcps is doing makes sense. if you don’t like it, move or go to a private.

You call that a plan? You are too easily satisfied, my friend, and I will go ahead and guess that your child was not one of the rejected students with top scores (neither was mine, but I know a little more about this than you, apparently).

I agree with you that magnet selection was unfair before. Guess what? It still is!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The new pilot is not even close to being equivalent. The Magnet programs have multiple courses and the program is designed to have continuity throughout MS. The pilot is 2 classes - one math and one humanities and some schools won't even have both. If you happen to be a kid who was blocked from the STEM magnets because of where your home school was located but your home school only gets the humannities class well too bad for you.
Trying in any way to say this offering is equivalent is incredibly bogus. This is like saying taking one elective in college confers the same knowledge and skill as completing multiple course requirements for a major. No fool would but this crap.

The magnet has 3 classes, that is 1 more than 2. Don't worry, Cold Spring will get 2 classes

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:jesus. can you wait until you see what it is before condemning it?

Has waiting to see whether someone really screws you over worked for ANYONE in the past?

Think before you type, PP.

We are entitled to more information and concrete plans for students rejected from magnets.

you got a plan, and a timeline. the magnets were MASSIVELY unfair before the new admissions process was put into place. what mcps is doing makes sense. if you don’t like it, move or go to a private.

This is not a proper plan! To me, it's like saying we can't give you that $2K bonus despite your equivalent performance to your coworker, but hey...here's $3 to go get yourself a snack from the vending machine.

they had to equalize the process. the old way was clearly bad for kids without in the know parents. this is the result. i really don’t feel bad for you that your snowflake might have to survive with just enriched programming, and not a full magnet program, because the county made a wholly logical decision.

This isn't equalizing the process.

yes it is, because it involves broad testing, rather than hinging the process on parent and teacher recommendations.

NP here.

Nobody's disputing that part. People are upset about the OTHER selection criteria - the "peer group" or "existing cohort", which is utter and complete social engineering on the part of MCPS. And that's illegal, plain and simple.

What MCPS is doing right now, is trying to avoid a lawsuit. This is a great opportunity to keep pushing for more advanced classes with peer groups of students, be they in magnet programs or regular schools.