What exactly is on the CES test for third graders?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do we know if it is on paper/Scantron or computerized? Does this vary by school?

On computer and 1.5 hours. Not sure how many restroom breaks they can get. Not sure if there would be "survey" questions but told my DC to make sure to write "politically correct" answer.

Isn’t it 30 minutes?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Cogat. AEI director told the parents explicitly on the parent meeting. No need to hide. Unless you prep at least half a year before, it wouldn’t help since it’s more leaning toward testing the aptitude but meanwhile your kids’ vocabulary. Do a mock test might help make the kid less stressed.

I went to both meetings, no one mentioned Cogat, unless you stayed afterwards and got some special knowledge anyone else didn't.

That's because you didn't pay enough attention. Ms. Casper mentioned that in answering one parent's question during the 1/24 meeting. Apparently she is not worried that this information is going to be leaked out or not, because even CoGAT, as the 3rd party administrates the test for years, change the format from year to year to accommodate MCPS's need/request. So it's not a standardized CoGAT.

Amazon has some books that you can conduct a mock test. I don't think that would help much as I said in my previous post, but that would at least familiarize your child if he/she easily get stressed or tend to not listen to instructions. I tried two mock tests, and found the results are amazingly agreeable with my DC's 2nd grade inview test, so I know what score range he/she will get if he/she performed normally during the test.

Jesus. You are going to be a nightmare when your kid is in high school. Slow down Tiger mom.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cogat. AEI director told the parents explicitly on the parent meeting. No need to hide. Unless you prep at least half a year before, it wouldn’t help since it’s more leaning toward testing the aptitude but meanwhile your kids’ vocabulary. Do a mock test might help make the kid less stressed.

I went to both meetings, no one mentioned Cogat, unless you stayed afterwards and got some special knowledge anyone else didn't.

That's because you didn't pay enough attention. Ms. Casper mentioned that in answering one parent's question during the 1/24 meeting. Apparently she is not worried that this information is going to be leaked out or not, because even CoGAT, as the 3rd party administrates the test for years, change the format from year to year to accommodate MCPS's need/request. So it's not a standardized CoGAT.

Amazon has some books that you can conduct a mock test. I don't think that would help much as I said in my previous post, but that would at least familiarize your child if he/she easily get stressed or tend to not listen to instructions. I tried two mock tests, and found the results are amazingly agreeable with my DC's 2nd grade inview test, so I know what score range he/she will get if he/she performed normally during the test.

Jesus. You are going to be a nightmare when your kid is in high school. Slow down Tiger mom.

Huh? All PP did was convey an answer from a meeting, say she bought ONE workbook, had her kid do a few problems, and scored them. That ain't Tiger Mom status.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Somewhere in the non-scoring survey portion, teach your kid to write " diversity is great" if the goal is to get in.

What is the survey portion?

I second this. What’s the survey portion?

[Anonymous]

Read the middle school thread...it doesn't matter how great your child does on the test.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do we know if it is on paper/Scantron or computerized? Does this vary by school?

On computer and 1.5 hours. Not sure how many restroom breaks they can get. Not sure if there would be "survey" questions but told my DC to make sure to write "politically correct" answer.

Isn’t it 30 minutes?

A child gets tagged as gifted or not based on a test that lasts an 30 minutes (or maybe 1.5 hours)? Wow.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do we know if it is on paper/Scantron or computerized? Does this vary by school?

On computer and 1.5 hours. Not sure how many restroom breaks they can get. Not sure if there would be "survey" questions but told my DC to make sure to write "politically correct" answer.

Isn’t it 30 minutes?

A child gets tagged as gifted or not based on a test that lasts an 30 minutes (or maybe 1.5 hours)? Wow.

No. It takes more than a test. Last year, it was recommendation letters, and MAP scores, report cards.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cogat. AEI director told the parents explicitly on the parent meeting. No need to hide. Unless you prep at least half a year before, it wouldn’t help since it’s more leaning toward testing the aptitude but meanwhile your kids’ vocabulary. Do a mock test might help make the kid less stressed.

I went to both meetings, no one mentioned Cogat, unless you stayed afterwards and got some special knowledge anyone else didn't.

That's because you didn't pay enough attention. Ms. Casper mentioned that in answering one parent's question during the 1/24 meeting. Apparently she is not worried that this information is going to be leaked out or not, because even CoGAT, as the 3rd party administrates the test for years, change the format from year to year to accommodate MCPS's need/request. So it's not a standardized CoGAT.

Amazon has some books that you can conduct a mock test. I don't think that would help much as I said in my previous post, but that would at least familiarize your child if he/she easily get stressed or tend to not listen to instructions. I tried two mock tests, and found the results are amazingly agreeable with my DC's 2nd grade inview test, so I know what score range he/she will get if he/she performed normally during the test.

Jesus. You are going to be a nightmare when your kid is in high school. Slow down Tiger mom.

Huh? All PP did was convey an answer from a meeting, say she bought ONE workbook, had her kid do a few problems, and scored them. That ain't Tiger Mom status.

For a mom with a 2nd grader? Absolutely!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cogat. AEI director told the parents explicitly on the parent meeting. No need to hide. Unless you prep at least half a year before, it wouldn’t help since it’s more leaning toward testing the aptitude but meanwhile your kids’ vocabulary. Do a mock test might help make the kid less stressed.

I went to both meetings, no one mentioned Cogat, unless you stayed afterwards and got some special knowledge anyone else didn't.

That's because you didn't pay enough attention. Ms. Casper mentioned that in answering one parent's question during the 1/24 meeting. Apparently she is not worried that this information is going to be leaked out or not, because even CoGAT, as the 3rd party administrates the test for years, change the format from year to year to accommodate MCPS's need/request. So it's not a standardized CoGAT.

Amazon has some books that you can conduct a mock test. I don't think that would help much as I said in my previous post, but that would at least familiarize your child if he/she easily get stressed or tend to not listen to instructions. I tried two mock tests, and found the results are amazingly agreeable with my DC's 2nd grade inview test, so I know what score range he/she will get if he/she performed normally during the test.

Jesus. You are going to be a nightmare when your kid is in high school. Slow down Tiger mom.

Huh? All PP did was convey an answer from a meeting, say she bought ONE workbook, had her kid do a few problems, and scored them. That ain't Tiger Mom status.

For a mom with a 2nd grader? Absolutely!!

Ok, Judgy McJudgy Pants. Live and let live. Buying a workbook does not a Tiger mom make.

[Anonymous]

My kid took the test this week. Said it was HARD. I laughed (silently) when she told me what she wrote for the survey portion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Cogat. AEI director told the parents explicitly on the parent meeting. No need to hide. Unless you prep at least half a year before, it wouldn’t help since it’s more leaning toward testing the aptitude but meanwhile your kids’ vocabulary. Do a mock test might help make the kid less stressed.

I went to both meetings, no one mentioned Cogat, unless you stayed afterwards and got some special knowledge anyone else didn't.

That's because you didn't pay enough attention. Ms. Casper mentioned that in answering one parent's question during the 1/24 meeting. Apparently she is not worried that this information is going to be leaked out or not, because even CoGAT, as the 3rd party administrates the test for years, change the format from year to year to accommodate MCPS's need/request. So it's not a standardized CoGAT.

Amazon has some books that you can conduct a mock test. I don't think that would help much as I said in my previous post, but that would at least familiarize your child if he/she easily get stressed or tend to not listen to instructions. I tried two mock tests, and found the results are amazingly agreeable with my DC's 2nd grade inview test, so I know what score range he/she will get if he/she performed normally during the test.

Jesus. You are going to be a nightmare when your kid is in high school. Slow down Tiger mom.

Huh? All PP did was convey an answer from a meeting, say she bought ONE workbook, had her kid do a few problems, and scored them. That ain't Tiger Mom status.

For a mom with a 2nd grader? Absolutely!!

Ok, Judgy McJudgy Pants. Live and let live. Buying a workbook does not a Tiger mom make.

First of all, it's a 3rd grader. Second of all, get a grip. Some kids actually like to take tests and see if they nailed it or not. I did. My kid does. I see zero harm in allowing them to do this to build confidence and not feel like they're doing something for the first time when it actually matters.

[Anonymous]

If you expose a child to the type of questions that are on the cogat before taking it the score is invalidated. This is how the test was designed. It’s not a great instrument. If you prep you are not getting a true picture of your child’s ability.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you expose a child to the type of questions that are on the cogat before taking it the score is invalidated. This is how the test was designed. It’s not a great instrument. If you prep you are not getting a true picture of your child’s ability.

Um, so your argument is that you shouldn't prep so that a test that is not a great instrument gets an true picture of what this not great instrument thinks your child's ability is? No thanks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you expose a child to the type of questions that are on the cogat before taking it the score is invalidated. This is how the test was designed. It’s not a great instrument. If you prep you are not getting a true picture of your child’s ability.

Um, so your argument is that you shouldn't prep so that a test that is not a great instrument gets an true picture of what this not great instrument thinks your child's ability is? No thanks.

The test is only great when kids are going into it cold. Otherwise it is not a great instrument. It is a test of learned ability. It’s a very easy test to prep for. This is just how the test was designed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you expose a child to the type of questions that are on the cogat before taking it the score is invalidated. This is how the test was designed. It’s not a great instrument. If you prep you are not getting a true picture of your child’s ability.

Um, so your argument is that you shouldn't prep so that a test that is not a great instrument gets an true picture of what this not great instrument thinks your child's ability is? No thanks.

The test is only great when kids are going into it cold. Otherwise it is not a great instrument. It is a test of learned ability. It’s a very easy test to prep for. This is just how the test was designed.

Then perhaps the whole system of how people are identifying highly gifted in MCPS is flawed. What a shock.