Why is TJHSST exempt from overcrowding?

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Anonymous wrote:The actual answer to the question is that TJ, as a governor’s school, gets a financial supplement from the state per kid to offset the extra costs associated with educating a kid at TJ. And the state legislature sets the number of kids they are willing to pay a supplement for. Last time I checked, TJ still accepted more kids than the state reimburses for, and FCPS eats the added cost. To add even more kids above that, you need a bigger TJ budget.

Plus, even with the renovation, they only have so much space for the TJ specific mandatory classes, like Design Tech and Senior labs. And research labs and design tech are not classes you can safely or effectively add extra students to. History? Yes. Specialized microelectronics research? Not so much.

But I have a feeling Op was not looking for an actual answer.

I’m interested in the uptick in TJ is the root of all evil posts in February. Usually there is a spate of these posts after decisions are released in April. Were there an unusually large number of surprising first round cuts this year pwith the new test? Or do parents have the sense their kid bombed the SiS?

The current 8th grade class is the same bloated AAP year group that had the big test cheating scandal resulting in crazy amounts of kids being selected for AAP.

I am sure there is some correlation with what you are observing. Maybe you are hearing from people who just realized how much more difficult it is to cheat into TJ?

And I am not a TJ parent.

I am just annoyed by the "if my kid doesn't get the something special than no kid should get something special" crowd.

Yeah, what were they thinking when they came up with that silly “equal protection” clause?

You can still have special programs and be in compliance with equal access. How do you not understand this?

Anyone can apply to TJ, just like anyone can apply to the summer govenors schools, audition for the school musical, or try out for basketball.

But not everyone, even those who are skilled, will receive a spot at the summer govenkrs school, get a lead in the musical (or even the ensemble), make the basketball team or yes, get into TJ.

Envy and coveting what others have never gets you anything but grief.

[Anonymous]

Agree with the PP who notes the sharp uptick in anti-TJ posts in recent weeks. I, too,expected this in April but not now. There also seemed to be sock puppeting on other threads which I reported. Maybe if we don’t respond, they’ll get bored and stop posting anti-tj screeds?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The actual answer to the question is that TJ, as a governor’s school, gets a financial supplement from the state per kid to offset the extra costs associated with educating a kid at TJ. And the state legislature sets the number of kids they are willing to pay a supplement for. Last time I checked, TJ still accepted more kids than the state reimburses for, and FCPS eats the added cost. To add even more kids above that, you need a bigger TJ budget.

Plus, even with the renovation, they only have so much space for the TJ specific mandatory classes, like Design Tech and Senior labs. And research labs and design tech are not classes you can safely or effectively add extra students to. History? Yes. Specialized microelectronics research? Not so much.

But I have a feeling Op was not looking for an actual answer.

I’m interested in the uptick in TJ is the root of all evil posts in February. Usually there is a spate of these posts after decisions are released in April. Were there an unusually large number of surprising first round cuts this year pwith the new test? Or do parents have the sense their kid bombed the SiS?

The current 8th grade class is the same bloated AAP year group that had the big test cheating scandal resulting in crazy amounts of kids being selected for AAP.

I am sure there is some correlation with what you are observing. Maybe you are hearing from people who just realized how much more difficult it is to cheat into TJ?

And I am not a TJ parent.

I am just annoyed by the "if my kid doesn't get the something special than no kid should get something special" crowd.

Yeah, what were they thinking when they came up with that silly “equal protection” clause?

I love it when people who aren’t lawyers try to play lawyers on TV.

You kid has the same opportunity to apply to TJ as any other kid. That’s the equal protection.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Agree with the PP who notes the sharp uptick in anti-TJ posts in recent weeks. I, too,expected this in April but not now. There also seemed to be sock puppeting on other threads which I reported. Maybe if we don’t respond, they’ll get bored and stop posting anti-tj screeds?

And there is one about HB in Arlington that is quite similar

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The actual answer to the question is that TJ, as a governor’s school, gets a financial supplement from the state per kid to offset the extra costs associated with educating a kid at TJ. And the state legislature sets the number of kids they are willing to pay a supplement for. Last time I checked, TJ still accepted more kids than the state reimburses for, and FCPS eats the added cost. To add even more kids above that, you need a bigger TJ budget.

Plus, even with the renovation, they only have so much space for the TJ specific mandatory classes, like Design Tech and Senior labs. And research labs and design tech are not classes you can safely or effectively add extra students to. History? Yes. Specialized microelectronics research? Not so much.

But I have a feeling Op was not looking for an actual answer.

I’m interested in the uptick in TJ is the root of all evil posts in February. Usually there is a spate of these posts after decisions are released in April. Were there an unusually large number of surprising first round cuts this year pwith the new test? Or do parents have the sense their kid bombed the SiS?

The current 8th grade class is the same bloated AAP year group that had the big test cheating scandal resulting in crazy amounts of kids being selected for AAP.

I am sure there is some correlation with what you are observing. Maybe you are hearing from people who just realized how much more difficult it is to cheat into TJ?

And I am not a TJ parent.

I am just annoyed by the "if my kid doesn't get the something special than no kid should get something special" crowd.

Yeah, what were they thinking when they came up with that silly “equal protection” clause?

That’s not how that clause works you idiot

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The actual answer to the question is that TJ, as a governor’s school, gets a financial supplement from the state per kid to offset the extra costs associated with educating a kid at TJ. And the state legislature sets the number of kids they are willing to pay a supplement for. Last time I checked, TJ still accepted more kids than the state reimburses for, and FCPS eats the added cost. To add even more kids above that, you need a bigger TJ budget.

Plus, even with the renovation, they only have so much space for the TJ specific mandatory classes, like Design Tech and Senior labs. And research labs and design tech are not classes you can safely or effectively add extra students to. History? Yes. Specialized microelectronics research? Not so much.

But I have a feeling Op was not looking for an actual answer.

I’m interested in the uptick in TJ is the root of all evil posts in February. Usually there is a spate of these posts after decisions are released in April. Were there an unusually large number of surprising first round cuts this year pwith the new test? Or do parents have the sense their kid bombed the SiS?

The current 8th grade class is the same bloated AAP year group that had the big test cheating scandal resulting in crazy amounts of kids being selected for AAP.

I am sure there is some correlation with what you are observing. Maybe you are hearing from people who just realized how much more difficult it is to cheat into TJ?

And I am not a TJ parent.

I am just annoyed by the "if my kid doesn't get the something special than no kid should get something special" crowd.

Yeah, what were they thinking when they came up with that silly “equal protection” clause?

That’s not how that clause works you idiot

+1. No wonder their kid could not get into TJ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The actual answer to the question is that TJ, as a governor’s school, gets a financial supplement from the state per kid to offset the extra costs associated with educating a kid at TJ. And the state legislature sets the number of kids they are willing to pay a supplement for. Last time I checked, TJ still accepted more kids than the state reimburses for, and FCPS eats the added cost. To add even more kids above that, you need a bigger TJ budget.

Plus, even with the renovation, they only have so much space for the TJ specific mandatory classes, like Design Tech and Senior labs. And research labs and design tech are not classes you can safely or effectively add extra students to. History? Yes. Specialized microelectronics research? Not so much.

But I have a feeling Op was not looking for an actual answer.

I’m interested in the uptick in TJ is the root of all evil posts in February. Usually there is a spate of these posts after decisions are released in April. Were there an unusually large number of surprising first round cuts this year pwith the new test? Or do parents have the sense their kid bombed the SiS?

The current 8th grade class is the same bloated AAP year group that had the big test cheating scandal resulting in crazy amounts of kids being selected for AAP.

I am sure there is some correlation with what you are observing. Maybe you are hearing from people who just realized how much more difficult it is to cheat into TJ?

And I am not a TJ parent.

I am just annoyed by the "if my kid doesn't get the something special than no kid should get something special" crowd.

Yeah, what were they thinking when they came up with that silly “equal protection” clause?

I love it when people who aren’t lawyers try to play lawyers on TV.

You kid has the same opportunity to apply to TJ as any other kid. That’s the equal protection.

Ever heard of disparate impact?

TJ will be shut down eventually. It's only a question of when.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The actual answer to the question is that TJ, as a governor’s school, gets a financial supplement from the state per kid to offset the extra costs associated with educating a kid at TJ. And the state legislature sets the number of kids they are willing to pay a supplement for. Last time I checked, TJ still accepted more kids than the state reimburses for, and FCPS eats the added cost. To add even more kids above that, you need a bigger TJ budget.

Plus, even with the renovation, they only have so much space for the TJ specific mandatory classes, like Design Tech and Senior labs. And research labs and design tech are not classes you can safely or effectively add extra students to. History? Yes. Specialized microelectronics research? Not so much.

But I have a feeling Op was not looking for an actual answer.

I’m interested in the uptick in TJ is the root of all evil posts in February. Usually there is a spate of these posts after decisions are released in April. Were there an unusually large number of surprising first round cuts this year pwith the new test? Or do parents have the sense their kid bombed the SiS?

The current 8th grade class is the same bloated AAP year group that had the big test cheating scandal resulting in crazy amounts of kids being selected for AAP.

I am sure there is some correlation with what you are observing. Maybe you are hearing from people who just realized how much more difficult it is to cheat into TJ?

And I am not a TJ parent.

I am just annoyed by the "if my kid doesn't get the something special than no kid should get something special" crowd.

Yeah, what were they thinking when they came up with that silly “equal protection” clause?

I love it when people who aren’t lawyers try to play lawyers on TV.

You kid has the same opportunity to apply to TJ as any other kid. That’s the equal protection.

Ever heard of disparate impact?

TJ will be shut down eventually. It's only a question of when.

That isn’t how disparate impact works either. Give up while you are behind.

And having TJ turn out the NMSFs and SAT scores and Siemens winners and Regeneron winners makes FCPS look great, and is an incentive for tech companies to land in Fairfax County. Every once in a while, the school board tweaks admissions practices. No one serious wants to shut TJ down. As long as TJ kids keep performing, the school board will leave TJ alone.

I always find it interesting that some parents are so bitter about TJ that they want to destroy the country’s best high school. Why not advocate for taking the parts of TJ that work really well, like IBET and 8th period and expand the to other FCPS high schools?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The actual answer to the question is that TJ, as a governor’s school, gets a financial supplement from the state per kid to offset the extra costs associated with educating a kid at TJ. And the state legislature sets the number of kids they are willing to pay a supplement for. Last time I checked, TJ still accepted more kids than the state reimburses for, and FCPS eats the added cost. To add even more kids above that, you need a bigger TJ budget.

Plus, even with the renovation, they only have so much space for the TJ specific mandatory classes, like Design Tech and Senior labs. And research labs and design tech are not classes you can safely or effectively add extra students to. History? Yes. Specialized microelectronics research? Not so much.

But I have a feeling Op was not looking for an actual answer.

I’m interested in the uptick in TJ is the root of all evil posts in February. Usually there is a spate of these posts after decisions are released in April. Were there an unusually large number of surprising first round cuts this year pwith the new test? Or do parents have the sense their kid bombed the SiS?

The current 8th grade class is the same bloated AAP year group that had the big test cheating scandal resulting in crazy amounts of kids being selected for AAP.

I am sure there is some correlation with what you are observing. Maybe you are hearing from people who just realized how much more difficult it is to cheat into TJ?

And I am not a TJ parent.

I am just annoyed by the "if my kid doesn't get the something special than no kid should get something special" crowd.

Yeah, what were they thinking when they came up with that silly “equal protection” clause?

I love it when people who aren’t lawyers try to play lawyers on TV.

You kid has the same opportunity to apply to TJ as any other kid. That’s the equal protection.

Ever heard of disparate impact?

TJ will be shut down eventually. It's only a question of when.

That isn’t how disparate impact works either. Give up while you are behind.

And having TJ turn out the NMSFs and SAT scores and Siemens winners and Regeneron winners makes FCPS look great, and is an incentive for tech companies to land in Fairfax County. Every once in a while, the school board tweaks admissions practices. No one serious wants to shut TJ down. As long as TJ kids keep performing, the school board will leave TJ alone.

I always find it interesting that some parents are so bitter about TJ that they want to destroy the country’s best high school. Why not advocate for taking the parts of TJ that work really well, like IBET and 8th period and expand the to other FCPS high schools?

Now we are getting somewhere productive

My main quibble with TJ is that we have multiple posters recently admitting they are sending their kid with no intention/interest in STEM. That's fine that people want to go to the best school. What isn't fine is why are we spending extra money on STEM focused extras when students are going there with no intention of STEM. Make TJ a typical magnet/governors school for the best of the best and cut the STEM focus

[Anonymous]

TJ is often included in nationwide lists of the best schools in the country. I suspect it brings a lot of positive attention and acclaim to the county and the state. Why mess with that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The actual answer to the question is that TJ, as a governor’s school, gets a financial supplement from the state per kid to offset the extra costs associated with educating a kid at TJ. And the state legislature sets the number of kids they are willing to pay a supplement for. Last time I checked, TJ still accepted more kids than the state reimburses for, and FCPS eats the added cost. To add even more kids above that, you need a bigger TJ budget.

Plus, even with the renovation, they only have so much space for the TJ specific mandatory classes, like Design Tech and Senior labs. And research labs and design tech are not classes you can safely or effectively add extra students to. History? Yes. Specialized microelectronics research? Not so much.

But I have a feeling Op was not looking for an actual answer.

I’m interested in the uptick in TJ is the root of all evil posts in February. Usually there is a spate of these posts after decisions are released in April. Were there an unusually large number of surprising first round cuts this year pwith the new test? Or do parents have the sense their kid bombed the SiS?

The current 8th grade class is the same bloated AAP year group that had the big test cheating scandal resulting in crazy amounts of kids being selected for AAP.

I am sure there is some correlation with what you are observing. Maybe you are hearing from people who just realized how much more difficult it is to cheat into TJ?

And I am not a TJ parent.

I am just annoyed by the "if my kid doesn't get the something special than no kid should get something special" crowd.

Yeah, what were they thinking when they came up with that silly “equal protection” clause?

I love it when people who aren’t lawyers try to play lawyers on TV.

You kid has the same opportunity to apply to TJ as any other kid. That’s the equal protection.

Ever heard of disparate impact?

TJ will be shut down eventually. It's only a question of when.

That isn’t how disparate impact works either. Give up while you are behind.

And having TJ turn out the NMSFs and SAT scores and Siemens winners and Regeneron winners makes FCPS look great, and is an incentive for tech companies to land in Fairfax County. Every once in a while, the school board tweaks admissions practices. No one serious wants to shut TJ down. As long as TJ kids keep performing, the school board will leave TJ alone.

I always find it interesting that some parents are so bitter about TJ that they want to destroy the country’s best high school. Why not advocate for taking the parts of TJ that work really well, like IBET and 8th period and expand the to other FCPS high schools?

I think a big part of the problem is that if someone asks "how important is going to TJ for college admissions," TJ parents get upset if someone responds "not very." That's just that person's opinion. It's not "bashing" TJ. That person would probably answer the same way if you insert any other school. I don't advocate getting rid of TJ, I think the process they use for selection is fine....But there is a lot of defensiveness if someone says anything other than colleges look negatively on any student from FCPS who doesn't attend TJ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The actual answer to the question is that TJ, as a governor’s school, gets a financial supplement from the state per kid to offset the extra costs associated with educating a kid at TJ. And the state legislature sets the number of kids they are willing to pay a supplement for. Last time I checked, TJ still accepted more kids than the state reimburses for, and FCPS eats the added cost. To add even more kids above that, you need a bigger TJ budget.

Plus, even with the renovation, they only have so much space for the TJ specific mandatory classes, like Design Tech and Senior labs. And research labs and design tech are not classes you can safely or effectively add extra students to. History? Yes. Specialized microelectronics research? Not so much.

But I have a feeling Op was not looking for an actual answer.

I’m interested in the uptick in TJ is the root of all evil posts in February. Usually there is a spate of these posts after decisions are released in April. Were there an unusually large number of surprising first round cuts this year pwith the new test? Or do parents have the sense their kid bombed the SiS?

The current 8th grade class is the same bloated AAP year group that had the big test cheating scandal resulting in crazy amounts of kids being selected for AAP.

I am sure there is some correlation with what you are observing. Maybe you are hearing from people who just realized how much more difficult it is to cheat into TJ?

And I am not a TJ parent.

I am just annoyed by the "if my kid doesn't get the something special than no kid should get something special" crowd.

Yeah, what were they thinking when they came up with that silly “equal protection” clause?

I love it when people who aren’t lawyers try to play lawyers on TV.

You kid has the same opportunity to apply to TJ as any other kid. That’s the equal protection.

Ever heard of disparate impact?

TJ will be shut down eventually. It's only a question of when.

That isn’t how disparate impact works either. Give up while you are behind.

And having TJ turn out the NMSFs and SAT scores and Siemens winners and Regeneron winners makes FCPS look great, and is an incentive for tech companies to land in Fairfax County. Every once in a while, the school board tweaks admissions practices. No one serious wants to shut TJ down. As long as TJ kids keep performing, the school board will leave TJ alone.

I always find it interesting that some parents are so bitter about TJ that they want to destroy the country’s best high school. Why not advocate for taking the parts of TJ that work really well, like IBET and 8th period and expand the to other FCPS high schools?

I think a big part of the problem is that if someone asks "how important is going to TJ for college admissions," TJ parents get upset if someone responds "not very." That's just that person's opinion. It's not "bashing" TJ. That person would probably answer the same way if you insert any other school. I don't advocate getting rid of TJ, I think the process they use for selection is fine....But there is a lot of defensiveness if someone says anything other than colleges look negatively on any student from FCPS who doesn't attend TJ.

But that’s not what happened. Quite a few TJ parents said going to TJ does not help with college admissions, or does not help unless you take advantage of the highest level STEM classes and apply to colleges that specialize in that STEM area. I was one of those parents. I think my kid will end up at a different college, because TJ has helped him focus on what exactly he is interested in and he has developed a strong sense of what he does and does not want in a college. But I doubt TJ helps him get into a college with a better numerical ranking. Too much grade deflation to start with. That said I think DS will end up at a better college FOR HIM. And Ithink he is much better prepared to succeed once he gets to college.

But mostly, my kid is at TJ because he loves being at TJ. A smart kid who puts in the amour work needed to succeed at TJ will do fine with college admission, not matter what high school they graduate from.

[Anonymous]

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But that’s not what happened. Quite a few TJ parents said going to TJ does not help with college admissions, or does not help unless you take advantage of the highest level STEM classes and apply to colleges that specialize in that STEM area. I was one of those parents. I think my kid will end up at a different college, because TJ has helped him focus on what exactly he is interested in and he has developed a strong sense of what he does and does not want in a college. But I doubt TJ helps him get into a college with a better numerical ranking. Too much grade deflation to start with. That said I think DS will end up at a better college FOR HIM. And Ithink he is much better prepared to succeed once he gets to college.

But mostly, my kid is at TJ because he loves being at TJ. A smart kid who puts in the amour work needed to succeed at TJ will do fine with college admission, not matter what high school they graduate from.

+1

My TJ kid will get into a college that is right for him as will my base HS attending kid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Because they’re a magnet school. Kids apply to go there, they get to select the size of their class.

Try to keep up.

DP, but you’re an ass. More kids could handle the TJ curriculum than are admitted, but the number of admits is capped even when the building and site could accommodate more kids. So OP’s question is still legitimate. Either the county needs to build more schools or they should reclaim TJ as a community school. It’s unfair and quite possibly illegal for TJ students to enjoy privileges denied other students.

So so so true. It is a hideous example of catering to a special interest group with public monies; at the expense of the rest of the public.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:TJ is often included in nationwide lists of the best schools in the country. I suspect it brings a lot of positive attention and acclaim to the county and the state. Why mess with that?

Because it’s a crutch. The rest of the system can be neglected as long as one school is rated very highly.