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Anonymous
So you don't care about dairy farmers (see WaPo today), car mechanics, waiters and waitresses, store cashiers, home health aides, among the various occupational groups who often lack health insurance? The people who help make our country run, without whom our society would fall apart? Who work hard everyday but have to struggle to pay for health care because they can't afford insurance and their employer doesn't offer it? How cold are you? And how naive are you? If they all joined the military, who would perform the jobs that we can't live without? |
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Interesting that you mention this. CNN recently had a story about a guy who lost his job and then re-enlisted in the military in order to get health insurance for his family. He ended up getting killed in Afghanistan. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/07/ltm.02.html ACOSTA (voice-over): Army Specialist Greg Missman was only on the ground in Afghanistan for one month. JIM MISSMAN, FATHER OF ARMY SPC. GREG MISSMAN: My son's convoy had been ambushed. ACOSTA: In July, his father Jim got that knock on the door. J. MISSMAN: A chaplain and a master sergeant showed up. So it was - it was not a pleasant day. ACOSTA: It was an abrupt end to what was actually Missman's second stint in the Army. He left the service 11 years ago, but last year, he lost his job as a computer consultant. (on camera): He lost his job? J. MISSMAN: Um-hmm. ACOSTA: And became unemployed. J. MISSMAN: Became unemployed. Lost his health insurance. ACOSTA (voice-over): Missman says his son reenlisted to see to it his family had health insurance. |
Anonymous
am I supposed to feel he got cheated b/c he lost his life. Sad yes, but when you join the "military" that is the chance you take. I am so damn sure that you Jeff have never served a minute in the military. |
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Why would you feel cheated? What kind of mental gymnastics are required to arrive at that conclusion? You said that people should join the military to get free health insurance. I think the story I referenced demonstrated that such heath care is not always free. How you care about this is really your own personal issue. I don't really care how you feel about it. |
Anonymous
| 8:44 again -- You haven't answered my question. Should all the dairy farmers, carpenters, small business owners, home health care aides, wait staff, and store clerks join the military because they can't afford health insurance or can't get coverage? |
Anonymous
Well I am not so sure ALL the ones you mention are not insured. As a matter of fact my uncle has a dairy farm and is quite wealthy. But that said, if I have to pay out of my paycheck to insure these people you mentioned can not afford health insurance and it is that important to them, yes, they should join the military, or do what ever they can do to not leech off of my pay check. Please tell me why you think it is okay to let people use my money to survive? I really do not understand this concept. We so far belong to a very free country. ANYONE can get an education and rise above the level of poverty if they really want to and are not enabled by others. I do not believe in helping others that do not help them selves. I will gladly vote to have free education. |
Anonymous
There was just a story in the WaPo about a dairy farmer who didn't have insurance. This article mentions the dairy farmer, along with other hard-working Americans (small business owner, beautician, real estate agent), who have lost their health insurance and can't get another policy. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/07/AR2009090702455.html So, you would vote for everyone to have free education. They can leech off you as long as they are getting a degree. But if they have to drop out of school because they are overwhelmed with bills due to having no health insurance (or helping a family member with no health insurance), then helping them just means they're leeching off of you. So when you go to restaurants or stores or have your hair done or your car worked on, is that what you're thinking? You're looking at these people who are working hard to provide services to you and thinking: "I don't care if you work hard, I don't care if you're married and have a family, I don't care if you voted for John McCain, if you can't afford health insurance (or can't get it because of a pre-existing condition) and you lose your home or you die young because you didn't go to a doctor soon enough, it doesn't matter, you're still a lazy jerk who doesn't deserve my pity. If you were too stupid to join the army when you were young enough and healthy enough to be accepted, then it's not my problem." You're really self-centered and pathetic. And you still haven't explained how our society will survive if all of those people go and join the army. |
Anonymous
You are a fool. People already leach off your paycheck. Your premiums are higher by about a grand because you (yes you) pay for the cost of the uninsured when they walk into the emergency room. And even though your employer pays part of that, it's still your compensation. In other words, you make less because they have to pay more for your insurance. I suppose you can take solace in the fact that you are being robbed on a pretax basis though. And there's nothing you can do about it. |
Anonymous
Idiot. |
Anonymous
Possibly, the most annoying comment on this board. Do you actually say it like this too? |
Anonymous
Well, la-de-f*cking-dah. Perhaps you should move to a country that doesn't give a shit about its citizens, since you are someone who is confident that you will never in a million years require any help. I make a decent living, but I am not so wildly egotistical--and unread--that I think bad crap doesn't sometimes happen to hard-working people. It does, darling, often through circumstances beyond someone's control. Crack open a newspaper from the past couple of years and you will find no shortage of such stories. But perhaps your wealthy dairy farming uncle will always be there to provide you cheese and chocolate milk. A civilized society at least makes the attempt to care for its citizens, in the knowledge that it is not only good and just but also good economics in the long term. |
Anonymous
Not the PP but our civilized society does make an attempt to care for its citizens --- it's called Medicaid. Also, do you think if someone walks into an ER they are not treated? I agree that changes need to be made but stop peddling this horse shit. |
Anonymous
NP. You think Medicaid makes us civilized? You have to be a poor child, poor and pregnant, institutionalized, or disabled to qualify. That leaves millions of people unable to get coverage. And if you think that leaving them out in the cold until they get so sick they have to go to the ER is civilized, well I can't agree. It is uncivilized, costly, and a pretty ass-backwards way to deal with health care. |
Anonymous
What horse shit? Are you arguing that Medicaid is the best we can do and that people walking into an ER for routine medical treatment is ideal? Or perhaps you, like many, think that people who receive their care options this way deserve no better? This is really the core indignation on the Right. It's their prism. America can do better for its citizens than barely passable. |
Anonymous
The PP made the comment that we DON'T attempt to care for our citizens which is false. I'm not saying it is optimal but we DO attempt to care for our poorest citizens. |