Ellen DeGeneres and her sexist tweet?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn't that a lyric from a Katy perry song?

It is a line from her song Birthday, about getting naked to celebrate the other person's birthday. That she put it in a song doesn't make it okay for someone to use it to make unwelcome sexual comments to her (although I stand by my previous posts that we don't know this was unwelcome, context matters).

Actually it does make it okay to use. Ellen is wishing a singer happy birthday using that singers own lyrics. Anyone who finds this inappropriate is insane.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn't that a lyric from a Katy perry song?

It is a line from her song Birthday, about getting naked to celebrate the other person's birthday. That she put it in a song doesn't make it okay for someone to use it to make unwelcome sexual comments to her (although I stand by my previous posts that we don't know this was unwelcome, context matters).

Actually it does make it okay to use. Ellen is wishing a singer happy birthday using that singers own lyrics. Anyone who finds this inappropriate is insane.

So celebrating the birthday of a member of NWA means screaming out "F**k the police!"

?????

Your logic is flawed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this is one where context matters, and I don't have enough context for this tweet. If Ellen Degeneres tweeted that to someone she didn't know at all, it would be obviously inappropriate. On the other hand, if Ellen and Katy are friends and make those kinds of jokes to each other all the time and are both okay with it, then there's nothing wrong with the tweet. They do know each other but I don't know how well, so this incident falls somewhere in between those two ends of the spectrum.

The problem with the latter is that it is public, not private, and normalizes this behavior.

I’ve always hated jokes like this but got “lighten up.” It seemed we were finally moving away from sexist remarks being funny... but I guess not.

I completely disagree with you because I think your approach ultimately means inappropriate men still get to dictate the terms of discourse. They can't be expected to learn and follow rules of proper conduct, so now no one is allowed to make any comments even when they're not remotely inappropriate.

You hate jokes like this, so it's not appropriate for anyone to make those kinds of jokes to or about you. Not everyone shares you sensibilities on this, and shouldn't be restricted in how they interact with their friends by how you would feel if you were a part of it.

You’re not getting it. The vast majority of those seeing the image have no idea what their relationship is. If she made this private, no issue. Or if it was someone where it was clear there is a relationship. But to the average person she’s making a sexist statement to a peer.

Actually, I do get it. I don't want a random man coming up to me on the street and putting his arm around me. Does that mean my husband should never do so while we're walking down a sidewalk? Should we never touch each other or hold hands in public because then it's open season on my body for everyone else? Does it matter if we're wearing wedding bands or not? No. Because it's my body, people whom I welcome to touch it are allowed to touch it. Others are not. I get to decide who touches me, not you.

You are, in your own way, victim blaming. If the victim didn't let people do these things when they are welcome, she wouldn't get harassed in unwelcome ways.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn't that a lyric from a Katy perry song?

It is a line from her song Birthday, about getting naked to celebrate the other person's birthday. That she put it in a song doesn't make it okay for someone to use it to make unwelcome sexual comments to her (although I stand by my previous posts that we don't know this was unwelcome, context matters).

Actually it does make it okay to use. Ellen is wishing a singer happy birthday using that singers own lyrics. Anyone who finds this inappropriate is insane.

If Ellen is a friend with whom Katy Perry trades this kind of banter and well-wishing, it's find for Ellen to use the lyrics. That doesn't mean every random person gets to tweet it at her as a way of telling her they'd like to do her for her birthday.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn't that a lyric from a Katy perry song?

It is a line from her song Birthday, about getting naked to celebrate the other person's birthday. That she put it in a song doesn't make it okay for someone to use it to make unwelcome sexual comments to her (although I stand by my previous posts that we don't know this was unwelcome, context matters).

Actually it does make it okay to use. Ellen is wishing a singer happy birthday using that singers own lyrics. Anyone who finds this inappropriate is insane.

It's not just the words, but with it a picture of her gawking at KP's boobs. the 2 together is what's inappropriate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn't that a lyric from a Katy perry song?

It is a line from her song Birthday, about getting naked to celebrate the other person's birthday. That she put it in a song doesn't make it okay for someone to use it to make unwelcome sexual comments to her (although I stand by my previous posts that we don't know this was unwelcome, context matters).

Actually it does make it okay to use. Ellen is wishing a singer happy birthday using that singers own lyrics. Anyone who finds this inappropriate is insane.

It's not just the words, but with it a picture of her gawking at KP's boobs. the 2 together is what's inappropriate.

NP
Again it's not your body, you do not get to make that determination,

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this is one where context matters, and I don't have enough context for this tweet. If Ellen Degeneres tweeted that to someone she didn't know at all, it would be obviously inappropriate. On the other hand, if Ellen and Katy are friends and make those kinds of jokes to each other all the time and are both okay with it, then there's nothing wrong with the tweet. They do know each other but I don't know how well, so this incident falls somewhere in between those two ends of the spectrum.

The problem with the latter is that it is public, not private, and normalizes this behavior.

I’ve always hated jokes like this but got “lighten up.” It seemed we were finally moving away from sexist remarks being funny... but I guess not.

I completely disagree with you because I think your approach ultimately means inappropriate men still get to dictate the terms of discourse. They can't be expected to learn and follow rules of proper conduct, so now no one is allowed to make any comments even when they're not remotely inappropriate.

You hate jokes like this, so it's not appropriate for anyone to make those kinds of jokes to or about you. Not everyone shares you sensibilities on this, and shouldn't be restricted in how they interact with their friends by how you would feel if you were a part of it.

You’re not getting it. The vast majority of those seeing the image have no idea what their relationship is. If she made this private, no issue. Or if it was someone where it was clear there is a relationship. But to the average person she’s making a sexist statement to a peer.

Actually, I do get it. I don't want a random man coming up to me on the street and putting his arm around me. Does that mean my husband should never do so while we're walking down a sidewalk? Should we never touch each other or hold hands in public because then it's open season on my body for everyone else? Does it matter if we're wearing wedding bands or not? No. Because it's my body, people whom I welcome to touch it are allowed to touch it. Others are not. I get to decide who touches me, not you.

You are, in your own way, victim blaming. If the victim didn't let people do these things when they are welcome, she wouldn't get harassed in unwelcome ways.

OMG, you are crazy with your comparison. there's a huge difference between a couple (or two friends or whatever) doing what both agree to doing and a PUBLIC FIGURE or PERSON OF POWER condoning and/or making fun of something that the same person condemned just days earlier. EG is a huge and powerful public figure. She is making light of someone staring at someone else's boobs in the midst of the Harvey Weinstein scandal. I mean it's just common sense.

The old saying "Is it too soon?" that comedians say when they make a joke after a tragedy or after someone dies comes to mind in this case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn't that a lyric from a Katy perry song?

It is a line from her song Birthday, about getting naked to celebrate the other person's birthday. That she put it in a song doesn't make it okay for someone to use it to make unwelcome sexual comments to her (although I stand by my previous posts that we don't know this was unwelcome, context matters).

Actually it does make it okay to use. Ellen is wishing a singer happy birthday using that singers own lyrics. Anyone who finds this inappropriate is insane.

It's not just the words, but with it a picture of her gawking at KP's boobs. the 2 together is what's inappropriate.

NP
Again it's not your body, you do not get to make that determination,

So because I wasn't sexually harassed by HW, I am not allowed to make the determination that what he did was inappropriate?
Okay

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn't that a lyric from a Katy perry song?

It is a line from her song Birthday, about getting naked to celebrate the other person's birthday. That she put it in a song doesn't make it okay for someone to use it to make unwelcome sexual comments to her (although I stand by my previous posts that we don't know this was unwelcome, context matters).

Actually it does make it okay to use. Ellen is wishing a singer happy birthday using that singers own lyrics. Anyone who finds this inappropriate is insane.

It's not just the words, but with it a picture of her gawking at KP's boobs. the 2 together is what's inappropriate.

NP
Again it's not your body, you do not get to make that determination,

So because I wasn't sexually harassed by HW, I am not allowed to make the determination that what he did was inappropriate?
Okay

When an actual victim of HW speaks up, of course you are allowed to agree with them that his behavior toward them was inappropriate. What you don't get to do is decide for every person who ever had any kind of interaction with HW whether they should feel violated by his behavior.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this is one where context matters, and I don't have enough context for this tweet. If Ellen Degeneres tweeted that to someone she didn't know at all, it would be obviously inappropriate. On the other hand, if Ellen and Katy are friends and make those kinds of jokes to each other all the time and are both okay with it, then there's nothing wrong with the tweet. They do know each other but I don't know how well, so this incident falls somewhere in between those two ends of the spectrum.

I agree. My girlfriends can ogle at my breasts, but someone with a power of authority cannot. My breasts, my rules.

It completely depends on Katy's perspective.

This

[Anonymous]

More specifically you don't get to determine if Ellen's actions are inappropriate to KATY.

Ellen didn't post a picture of you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn't that a lyric from a Katy perry song?

It is a line from her song Birthday, about getting naked to celebrate the other person's birthday. That she put it in a song doesn't make it okay for someone to use it to make unwelcome sexual comments to her (although I stand by my previous posts that we don't know this was unwelcome, context matters).

Actually it does make it okay to use. Ellen is wishing a singer happy birthday using that singers own lyrics. Anyone who finds this inappropriate is insane.

It's not just the words, but with it a picture of her gawking at KP's boobs. the 2 together is what's inappropriate.

NP
Again it's not your body, you do not get to make that determination,

So because I wasn't sexually harassed by HW, I am not allowed to make the determination that what he did was inappropriate?
Okay

When an actual victim of HW speaks up, of course you are allowed to agree with them that his behavior toward them was inappropriate. What you don't get to do is decide for every person who ever had any kind of interaction with HW whether they should feel violated by his behavior.

Then you're not allowed to get mad at all the men in Hollywood who didn't hear directly from any victims but all heard rumors that HW was an ass but didn't come forward and say anything because...you know...the actual victims didn't tell them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Isn't that a lyric from a Katy perry song?

It is a line from her song Birthday, about getting naked to celebrate the other person's birthday. That she put it in a song doesn't make it okay for someone to use it to make unwelcome sexual comments to her (although I stand by my previous posts that we don't know this was unwelcome, context matters).

Actually it does make it okay to use. Ellen is wishing a singer happy birthday using that singers own lyrics. Anyone who finds this inappropriate is insane.

It's not just the words, but with it a picture of her gawking at KP's boobs. the 2 together is what's inappropriate.

NP
Again it's not your body, you do not get to make that determination,

So because I wasn't sexually harassed by HW, I am not allowed to make the determination that what he did was inappropriate?
Okay

When an actual victim of HW speaks up, of course you are allowed to agree with them that his behavior toward them was inappropriate. What you don't get to do is decide for every person who ever had any kind of interaction with HW whether they should feel violated by his behavior.

Then you're not allowed to get mad at all the men in Hollywood who didn't hear directly from any victims but all heard rumors that HW was an ass but didn't come forward and say anything because...you know...the actual victims didn't tell them.

I'm not mad at anyone who didn't act based on unverified rumors.

[Anonymous]

Let's get over it and allow men to do it. In fact if your haven't been harassed you're ugly

[Anonymous]

Ellen is ALWAYS creepy with attractive female guests. I think she's gross and phony. I bet she's a massive b*tch behind the scenes. And dude, she's 60 -- she's like a creepy Howard Stern on the inside with a more palatable exterior.