How to handle this situation

[Anonymous]

Another who agrees you need to focus on their work vs. the hours.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All of you need to start working from 9-6. If you're not willing to do that, you shouldn't say anything at all. It doesn't matter if you're 38 and have "paid your dues."

Yup, this.

Doesn't matter your reason. Your reasons are no better/worse than anyone else's. You ALL need to be on time and work until the bell. Period.

[Anonymous]

This is a joke right?

[Anonymous]

There's no such thing as "paying your dues." And if people are starting to notice that you and your whole team are always in late and out first, guess who gets nailed for that? Not the people under you. The people above you are going to reprimand you for setting a poor example and for not being able to control those under you.

Know what I hate? When a mom uses her kid's as an excuse to come in late or leave early and feels like she never needs to make up that missed time. Why is her time more valuable than those around her without kids? Because the reason taking her out of the office is another human? Nope, doesn't fly with me and my employees know it.

When I need to come in late or leave early, I either adjust my schedule that day to makeup the hours or do it the next day. My employees do the same thing. I remember before I was a boss, the bosses I hated the most were the ones who worked 9-4:30 instead of the normal 8-5 hours everyone else had to work. And just so you know, in my experience, when your employees beat you into the office or are left there later than you, they're not really working.

[Anonymous]

I used to work with a lady like you, OP. GOT ON MY F'ING NERVES (and everyone else's) that because she had been there 20 years she could do whatever the hell she wanted in regards to coming and leaving. I was so happy to leave when I had my baby.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I used to work with a lady like you, OP. GOT ON MY F'ING NERVES (and everyone else's) that because she had been there 20 years she could do whatever the hell she wanted in regards to coming and leaving. I was so happy to leave when I had my baby.

And btw she was the first one to tattle or get her feathers ruffled when others did the same. Sound familiar? Everyone resented her.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I work for a large company and our hours are 9am to 6pm, however most people stay much later until 7/8pm many nights because we are all swamped. I oversee two junior staff members who blatantly disregard our "office hours" and tend to come in between 9:15-9:30am most days, and sneak out around 5:30-5:45pm because they think we don't notice. I am a working mom with two young kids at home, and typically get to the office around 9:15am (before the employees who report to me!) and am out the door right at 6. My issue is that these junior staffers should NOT be the first ones out the door each night and should be coming in on time. The problem is they use me as the example - sometimes I need to leave early or come in later for something kid related, and so they feel entitled to do the same but for things like going to the gym or getting a manicure or whatever. I am 38 and have paid my dues, and these employees are 24 and 26, so they have not. And, I wouldn't have a problem if it was once in a while, but it's every day now. Plus - they aren't finishing all of their work and often push off deadlines. Now that all 3 of us are in late and leaving early it's becoming obvious to others that we work shorter hours and must be the "fun team" because others work much later almost every day.

I am just not sure how to address this because again, I can't practice what I preach exactly. Do I say something to them or let it go? How would you approach it?

The bolded part is what you need to address. They are not finishing their work. The rest is irrelevant. Your age and family status compared to theirs is irrelevant.

+1,000 Thanks a lot for being the perfect example of why people dislike female bosses. Their hours have nothing to do with the problem here--focus on them not getting things done or meeting deadlines.

Why are your personal obligations more important than theirs?? You sound awful and resentful.

I don't think this has anything to do with being a woman. Your comment is incredibly sexist. I've also found that millennials don't want to put in the time and don't seem to understand they should arrive before/after senior managers. The employees mentioned in the post won't impress anyone by working fewer hours than senior managers. People do notice. The junior staff who get ahead don't do this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There's no such thing as "paying your dues." And if people are starting to notice that you and your whole team are always in late and out first, guess who gets nailed for that? Not the people under you. The people above you are going to reprimand you for setting a poor example and for not being able to control those under you.

Know what I hate? When a mom uses her kid's as an excuse to come in late or leave early and feels like she never needs to make up that missed time. Why is her time more valuable than those around her without kids? Because the reason taking her out of the office is another human? Nope, doesn't fly with me and my employees know it.

When I need to come in late or leave early, I either adjust my schedule that day to makeup the hours or do it the next day. My employees do the same thing. I remember before I was a boss, the bosses I hated the most were the ones who worked 9-4:30 instead of the normal 8-5 hours everyone else had to work. And just so you know, in my experience, when your employees beat you into the office or are left there later than you, they're not really working.

I completely disagree and most successful people would disagree with you.

[Anonymous]

Are they getting their work done?

[Anonymous]

OP - your argument that you've paid your dues over the years holds no water. However the fact that they push their deadlines, does!

Go to HR to discuss how to best handle this so that it is reflected in their review. You need to start building a case for this but it has to be under the guidance of HR or you'll be wasting your time.

Whatever you do, don't make this about the hours they work or don't work. Make it about the fact that they are not completing their work by the agreed upon deadlines.

[Anonymous]

Dont go to HR. Talk to the jr employees about turning their work in on time. Don't bring up the hours, that will make you look hypocritical.