EO just a "shock event" -- what is the real goal?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:http://video.foxnews.com/v/3179604851001/?#sp=show-clips

we need to evaluate Trump’s version of patriotism. Trump has promoted himself as the “real” American candidate, the one who will put “America first” (as the old fascist slogan goes) and who cares about the “forgotten Americans.” He has made it clear that he does not care very much about the welfare of Muslims, Mexicans, or other Americans who are not part of his white Christian base. But it is not clear that Trump cares about his white Christian base either, or about the stability and prosperity of America as a whole. Consider this excerpt from an explosive February 2014 interview on Fox News:

“You know what solves it?” he said of America’s sorry state. “When the economy crashes, when the country goes to total hell and everything is a disaster. Then you’ll have a [chuckles], you know, you’ll have riots to go back to where we used to be when we were great.”

Trump does not want to make America great again. He wants to destroy America so that he, alone, can rebuild it and subsume it under his control. As he said in his GOP convention speech, “I alone can fix it.”

https://qz.com/751320/donald-trump-and-his-followers-could-destroy-america-even-if-he-loses/

Bannon:

"We had a long talk about his approach to politics. He never called himself a “populist” or an “American nationalist,” as so many think of him today. “I’m a Leninist,” Bannon proudly proclaimed.

Shocked, I asked him what he meant.

“Lenin,” he answered, “wanted to destroy the state, and that’s my goal too. I want to bring everything crashing down, and destroy all of today’s establishment.”


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/08/22/steve-bannon-trump-s-top-guy-told-me-he-was-a-leninist.html


Ok, so how do Trumpsters reconcile these two quotes in the face of what we have seen the first week of the Presidency?

[Anonymous]

Bannon just appointed to senior position on National Security Council . . . . is that what the distraction was covering?

[Anonymous]

Bannon is definitely a nihilist.

The other question here is the strategic one. They're playing this ban so that it divides the countries along traditional ideological lines (look at how Breitbart is posting on the airport protests being linked to a terrorist group). The question is, how do we turn this ban into something that exposes Trump in a way that both sides must agree on?

Anyone looking at the ban can see it's ridiculous. They put very little thought into actual enforcement and Bannon ignored DHS recommendations, probably intentionally to inflame the situation. So far, so predictable. What next?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This board is like the internet equivalent of Doomsday Preppers on the National Geographic channel.

Preppers are conservatives.

I guess I should've said the "liberal equivalent." Which is why you all should really get a grip and stop being ruled by fear and paranoia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Bannon is definitely a nihilist.

The other question here is the strategic one. They're playing this ban so that it divides the countries along traditional ideological lines (look at how Breitbart is posting on the airport protests being linked to a terrorist group). The question is, how do we turn this ban into something that exposes Trump in a way that both sides must agree on?

Anyone looking at the ban can see it's ridiculous. They put very little thought into actual enforcement and Bannon ignored DHS recommendations, probably intentionally to inflame the situation. So far, so predictable. What next?

It has to be on the Senate floor in the name of the values of our country, our laws, our constitution.

Obviously the public face is one thing, but I would hope behind closed doors the Senate and house Leadership have to be drawing up contingency plans, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This board is like the internet equivalent of Doomsday Preppers on the National Geographic channel.

Preppers are conservatives.

I guess I should've said the "liberal equivalent." Which is why you all should really get a grip and stop being ruled by fear and paranoia.

That would make us Germans in 1933 who sat on their hands. No Thanks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This board is like the internet equivalent of Doomsday Preppers on the National Geographic channel.

Preppers are conservatives.

I guess I should've said the "liberal equivalent." Which is why you all should really get a grip and stop being ruled by fear and paranoia.

That would make us Germans in 1933 who sat on their hands. No Thanks.

You can't be aware without being paranoid? It's the extremism that's remarkable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This board is like the internet equivalent of Doomsday Preppers on the National Geographic channel.

Preppers are conservatives.

I guess I should've said the "liberal equivalent." Which is why you all should really get a grip and stop being ruled by fear and paranoia.

That would make us Germans in 1933 who sat on their hands. No Thanks.

You can't be aware without being paranoid? It's the extremism that's remarkable.

Or maybe we have been paying attention and see the cues, and you are ignoring it or complicit?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Take eyes off the evidence of KGB executing people who leaked info re Trump. Take eyes off Bandon's NSC machinations. Just a guess.

Anyone else besides Erovinkin?

I think the Russian issue is big here. That conversation was not going well. The Republicans were against him. He has many conflicts of interest.

Now people are discussing a very controversial policy instead of going after him.

There are also the two Russian intelligence officers arrested for treason. Granted, they haven't been executed yet. I'm sure they'll receive the fairest of trials courtesy of Putin. So 3 people formally linked to Trump/election/dossier scandal. But nobody cares because everyone is (rightly) upset about the green card grenade.

Just to follow up on Erovinkin:

"(6) Finally, I want to highlight a story that many people haven’t noticed. On Wednesday, Reuters reported (in great detail) how 19.5% of Rosneft, Russia’s state oil company, has been sold to parties unknown. This was done through a dizzying array of shell companies, so that the most that can be said with certainty now is that the money “paying” for it was originally loaned out to the shell layers by VTB (the government’s official bank), even though it’s highly unclear who, if anyone, would be paying that loan back; and the recipients have been traced as far as some Cayman Islands shell companies.
Why is this interesting? Because the much-maligned Steele Dossier (the one with the golden showers in it) included the statement that Putin had offered Trump 19% of Rosneft if he became president and removed sanctions. The reason this is so interesting is that the dossier said this in July, and the sale didn’t happen until early December. And 19.5% sounds an awful lot like “19% plus a brokerage commission.”"

https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/trial-balloon-for-a-coup-e024990891d5#.nz7eqc9cx

The whole article is worth reading.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This board is like the internet equivalent of Doomsday Preppers on the National Geographic channel.

YES.

[Anonymous]

Wow, "shock event?" Hardly. The author gives this bunch way too much credit. They are amateurs. They said a couple of weeks ago, they would be rolling out EOs every day for two weeks. He also promised to ban Muslims. Thus none of this shocking. Instead, it is an entirely predictable demonstration of fulfilling campaign promises.

Maybe we were just supposed to take him seriously and literally after all. His flashy signings and big talk are going to run into the hard truth of reality quickly. That's when we will see what they are made of.

Trump is acting like he rode in a massive electoral mandate, when actually he won by the narrowest of margins. Grandiose promises are effective on the campaign, but when he can't deliver? Then what? When those coal mining jobs never materialize? Then what? When there is nothing "terrific" to replace Obamacare? Then what? When Congess won't fund a massive military build up, a border wall, and a trillion dollar infrastucure project and cut taxes all at the same time? Then what?

Trump is boxed in domestically. Let's hope he doesn't take the route of so many other failing leaders and create an external crisis/war to solidify domestic support, but his reshuffle of the NSC is not encouraging in that regard. The DNI and the CJCS are the two best restraints on the use of military power.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This board is like the internet equivalent of Doomsday Preppers on the National Geographic channel.

YES.

No. You're an ostrich.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://video.foxnews.com/v/3179604851001/?#sp=show-clips

we need to evaluate Trump’s version of patriotism. Trump has promoted himself as the “real” American candidate, the one who will put “America first” (as the old fascist slogan goes) and who cares about the “forgotten Americans.” He has made it clear that he does not care very much about the welfare of Muslims, Mexicans, or other Americans who are not part of his white Christian base. But it is not clear that Trump cares about his white Christian base either, or about the stability and prosperity of America as a whole. Consider this excerpt from an explosive February 2014 interview on Fox News:

“You know what solves it?” he said of America’s sorry state. “When the economy crashes, when the country goes to total hell and everything is a disaster. Then you’ll have a [chuckles], you know, you’ll have riots to go back to where we used to be when we were great.”

Trump does not want to make America great again. He wants to destroy America so that he, alone, can rebuild it and subsume it under his control. As he said in his GOP convention speech, “I alone can fix it.”

https://qz.com/751320/donald-trump-and-his-followers-could-destroy-america-even-if-he-loses/

Bannon:

"We had a long talk about his approach to politics. He never called himself a “populist” or an “American nationalist,” as so many think of him today. “I’m a Leninist,” Bannon proudly proclaimed.

Shocked, I asked him what he meant.

“Lenin,” he answered, “wanted to destroy the state, and that’s my goal too. I want to bring everything crashing down, and destroy all of today’s establishment.”


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/08/22/steve-bannon-trump-s-top-guy-told-me-he-was-a-leninist.html


Ok, so how do Trumpsters reconcile these two quotes in the face of what we have seen the first week of the Presidency?

Oh yeah .. Trump is so very, very well versed in Leninist doctrine. How stupid does Bannon think Americans are beyond slavish Trumpettes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This board is like the internet equivalent of Doomsday Preppers on the National Geographic channel.

Preppers are conservatives.

I guess I should've said the "liberal equivalent." Which is why you all should really get a grip and stop being ruled by fear and paranoia.

That would make us Germans in 1933 who sat on their hands. No Thanks.

You can't be aware without being paranoid? It's the extremism that's remarkable.

Or maybe we have been paying attention and see the cues, and you are ignoring it or complicit?

Neither. Informed and aware, yet rational and levelheaded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Just to follow up on Erovinkin:

"(6) Finally, I want to highlight a story that many people haven’t noticed. On Wednesday, Reuters reported (in great detail) how 19.5% of Rosneft, Russia’s state oil company, has been sold to parties unknown. This was done through a dizzying array of shell companies, so that the most that can be said with certainty now is that the money “paying” for it was originally loaned out to the shell layers by VTB (the government’s official bank), even though it’s highly unclear who, if anyone, would be paying that loan back; and the recipients have been traced as far as some Cayman Islands shell companies.
Why is this interesting? Because the much-maligned Steele Dossier (the one with the golden showers in it) included the statement that Putin had offered Trump 19% of Rosneft if he became president and removed sanctions. The reason this is so interesting is that the dossier said this in July, and the sale didn’t happen until early December. And 19.5% sounds an awful lot like “19% plus a brokerage commission.”"

https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/trial-balloon-for-a-coup-e024990891d5#.nz7eqc9cx

The whole article is worth reading.

Holy shit