EO just a "shock event" -- what is the real goal?

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Anonymous wrote:I've been rereading all the "you liberals are all hysterical" posts for comfort. I've never hoped to be completely, flat-out wrong as much as I do right now.

Me too! And I wish I could forget about the Singapore phone call that didn't make sense.

Which one?

Taiwan phone call?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Take eyes off the evidence of KGB executing people who leaked info re Trump. Take eyes off Bandon's NSC machinations. Just a guess.

Anyone else besides Erovinkin?

I think the Russian issue is big here. That conversation was not going well. The Republicans were against him. He has many conflicts of interest.

Now people are discussing a very controversial policy instead of going after him.

There are also the two Russian intelligence officers arrested for treason. Granted, they haven't been executed yet. I'm sure they'll receive the fairest of trials courtesy of Putin. So 3 people formally linked to Trump/election/dossier scandal. But nobody cares because everyone is (rightly) upset about the green card grenade.

Just to follow up on Erovinkin:

"(6) Finally, I want to highlight a story that many people haven’t noticed. On Wednesday, Reuters reported (in great detail) how 19.5% of Rosneft, Russia’s state oil company, has been sold to parties unknown. This was done through a dizzying array of shell companies, so that the most that can be said with certainty now is that the money “paying” for it was originally loaned out to the shell layers by VTB (the government’s official bank), even though it’s highly unclear who, if anyone, would be paying that loan back; and the recipients have been traced as far as some Cayman Islands shell companies.
Why is this interesting? Because the much-maligned Steele Dossier (the one with the golden showers in it) included the statement that Putin had offered Trump 19% of Rosneft if he became president and removed sanctions. The reason this is so interesting is that the dossier said this in July, and the sale didn’t happen until early December. And 19.5% sounds an awful lot like “19% plus a brokerage commission.”"

https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/trial-balloon-for-a-coup-e024990891d5#.nz7eqc9cx

The whole article is worth reading.

I am no conspiracy theorist, but this article is making my heart beat out of my chest.

Scary!!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This board is like the internet equivalent of Doomsday Preppers on the National Geographic channel.

Preppers are conservatives.

WRONG

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Anonymous wrote:Lots of blanket posts dismissing this as paranoia, but I don't see any attempt to refute the facts and pattern laid out in the medium article and elsewhere. It's all been done in plain sight, too. No need for conspiracies. The only pity is that Americans never had to fight for what they've taken for granted, so I predict a slight time lag as this is all absorbed. But thanks to social media I already see many discussing.

Exactly, we've never had to fight, we've never been invaded, so perhaps a lag time is inevitable.

It's ironic that so many of us are focused on situation of refugees -- who are fleeing oppression -- and there's not the same focus on credible reports that trump was installed by the tyrant Putin to lead our country.

And you're right, this is all in plain sight.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This board is like the internet equivalent of Doomsday Preppers on the National Geographic channel.

Preppers are conservatives.

Yep. These are liberals in a full state of paranoia.

Time will tell, friend. Hope that you are right.

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LoL spot on

[Anonymous]

The immigration ban happened right after he gutted the top of the state department. And made the Security Council smaller. Hes already making the republicans on the hill weak because they are afraid of his backlash. I think he is wanting to consolidate power to his small group.

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Real goals are -


He finished appointing a Cabinet that is 85 percent white — only three of 20 Cabinet-level positions will be held by racial minorities, none by a Latino — and nearly all male.

He eliminated a scheduled cut in the rate that low-income homeowners pay for the housing insurance program. This means some people with low incomes will have to pay hundreds of dollars more a year than they would have otherwise.


He drafted an order that allows the reopening of secret “black site” prisons where torture had occurred. The order also allows for a re-examination of aggressive interrogation techniques such as waterboarding.

He signed an executive order undermining Obamacare that even a health-care consultant who has been a critic of the law told The Post would be a “bomb,” signaling a “disorderly transition” rather than an “orderly transition.”

His administration froze all EPA grants and contracts, and it ordered the EPA to take down its climate-change Web page, thereby removing links to data on global warming. This followed an immediate move to delete from the White House website information about climate change and gay and lesbian issues.

His White House declared that he would not honor his pledge to release his income-tax returns — ever, apparently — and his Cabinet nominees retreated from Trump’s promises not to cut entitlement programs such as Medicare and Social Security.


Many other actions have also been overshadowed by Trump’s histrionics — the freeze on federal hiring, abandoning the Trans Pacific Partnership, greenlighting oil pipelines, reinstating restrictions on foreign aid to groups that provide abortions — but at least these are items that have long been expected.

Distraction has long been Trump’s modus operandi. He dominated coverage during the primaries with outrageous pronouncements, thereby depriving his opponents of the media spotlight. When news coverage of his transition was particularly tough, he created a new narrative by attacking the cast of the musical “Hamilton.” It’s a constant use of the “dead cat” strategy: throw a dead cat on the table, and prior conversation on any other topic ceases.

But now Trump is president, and the stakes are higher. His fantastic claims about crowd size and voter fraud now divert Americans’ attention from serious and real changes in their government. We gape at dead cats, but the wolf is at the door.

[Anonymous]

Anyone think the "real goal" is to throw so much chaos into the immigration apparatus that all current immigrants will self-deport (documented or undocumented) and no future immigrants will apply? It seems like the only possible reason to double-down on the inclusion of greencard holders.

I will say, if that's the goal it seems like it will be effective. Greencard holders of all nationalities are scared. I honestly don't blame them.

I'm a birthright citizen. I'm just waiting for the EO that reverses my citizenship. And yes, I know that the Constitution protects my status, but Trump has shown no regard for the Constitution. Its protections only matter if the government chooses to abide by them (and a court's interpretation of them). If Trump wants to order CBP to ignore my passport next time I re-enter the country and to ignore any judge that tells them otherwise, what's to stop him? The only recourse would be impeachment by Congress...anyone still betting on that happening?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anyone think the "real goal" is to throw so much chaos into the immigration apparatus that all current immigrants will self-deport (documented or undocumented) and no future immigrants will apply? It seems like the only possible reason to double-down on the inclusion of greencard holders.

I will say, if that's the goal it seems like it will be effective. Greencard holders of all nationalities are scared. I honestly don't blame them.

I'm a birthright citizen. I'm just waiting for the EO that reverses my citizenship. And yes, I know that the Constitution protects my status, but Trump has shown no regard for the Constitution. Its protections only matter if the government chooses to abide by them (and a court's interpretation of them). If Trump wants to order CBP to ignore my passport next time I re-enter the country and to ignore any judge that tells them otherwise, what's to stop him? The only recourse would be impeachment by Congress...anyone still betting on that happening?

Yup. This is why people need to think about an exit strategy.

[Anonymous]

No, the real goal is for Trump and Bannon to pocket in excess of $20B from Putin and toss the match on whats left of the American cinders.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No, the real goal is for Trump and Bannon to pocket in excess of $20B from Putin and toss the match on whats left of the American cinders.

This.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Take eyes off the evidence of KGB executing people who leaked info re Trump. Take eyes off Bandon's NSC machinations. Just a guess.

Anyone else besides Erovinkin?

I think the Russian issue is big here. That conversation was not going well. The Republicans were against him. He has many conflicts of interest.

Now people are discussing a very controversial policy instead of going after him.

There are also the two Russian intelligence officers arrested for treason. Granted, they haven't been executed yet. I'm sure they'll receive the fairest of trials courtesy of Putin. So 3 people formally linked to Trump/election/dossier scandal. But nobody cares because everyone is (rightly) upset about the green card grenade.

Just to follow up on Erovinkin:

"(6) Finally, I want to highlight a story that many people haven’t noticed. On Wednesday, Reuters reported (in great detail) how 19.5% of Rosneft, Russia’s state oil company, has been sold to parties unknown. This was done through a dizzying array of shell companies, so that the most that can be said with certainty now is that the money “paying” for it was originally loaned out to the shell layers by VTB (the government’s official bank), even though it’s highly unclear who, if anyone, would be paying that loan back; and the recipients have been traced as far as some Cayman Islands shell companies.
Why is this interesting? Because the much-maligned Steele Dossier (the one with the golden showers in it) included the statement that Putin had offered Trump 19% of Rosneft if he became president and removed sanctions. The reason this is so interesting is that the dossier said this in July, and the sale didn’t happen until early December. And 19.5% sounds an awful lot like “19% plus a brokerage commission.”"

https://medium.com/@yonatanzunger/trial-balloon-for-a-coup-e024990891d5#.nz7eqc9cx

The whole article is worth reading.

I am no conspiracy theorist, but this article is making my heart beat out of my chest.

Yeah, that's pretty terrifying.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

LoL spot on

Does anyone else remember when Republicans at least pretended to care about the country?

[Anonymous]

^ Yes. There aren't many like that around anymore.