Redistrict Montgomery County

[Anonymous]

We should build a wall along Rock Creek Park.

[Anonymous]

You don't redistrict and bus people away from their communities you spread the housing out.
So, more low income housing spots in the upper income areas (spread out , not all in one spot otherwise you have a 'wrong side of the tracks' exclusion thing going on). Add some McMansion developments to lower income areas - they will come. There are plenty of liberal people who would move to such a neighborhood as long as it has what they need - easy access to public transportation, parks, shopping, community.

The only holdouts for this concept are the people of Potomac. They want no mixed housing, no ball fields, no schools, nothing. You have to wonder why the county is so afraid of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We should build a wall along Rock Creek Park.

and make Mexico pay for it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People pay a premium to live in a neighborhood that has a highly rated school cluster. In Kensington for example, a similar house in the WJ school district would sell for around $150k more than one in the Einstein neighborhood and a house in the BCC zoned part of Kensington would sell for perhaps $200-$250K more than the one in Einstein. For many middle class people, their homes are their main source of wealth and so yes people will be concerned about any redistricting plan that threatens to reduce their home's value. The county should also consider whether a massive redistricting that causes upper middle class people to leave or makes them less likely to move to Mont. County would reduce state income tax revenue and property tax revenue. That would impact school funding.
Also one of the posts in the thread on WJ's situation had some statistics on the SAT performance of FARMS kids in a "W" school and a nearby DCC school and while there is a difference, they are quite similar. Another post on the same thread noted that white students in Einstein and WJ had nearly identical SAT scores (approx. 1800/2400) which is suggestive if you assume that race is correlated with socioeconomic status. In other words, you can physically move the kids around the county in all kinds of ways but unless you address the underlying differences in the socioeconomic status of the kids it is really hard to close the achievement gap. That is not a task that MCPS can tackle on its own.
Here are the stats from the WJ thread:
"Here are the Highest Mean SAT Critical Reading, Mathematics, and Writing Scores for students who qualify for FARMS (Class of 2015):
MCPS: 1386/2400
Einstein 1392/2400
WJ: 1463/2400
BCC: 1330/2400"
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There are a lot of comfortable Einstein families and move moving in as the homes are more "affordable." Einstein is changing in demographics but we don't worry about that stuff. We could easily move but we like our neighborhood and not having a large house payment.

There are also probably other factors like those very comfortable will choose to send their kids with special needs to privates as the public schools only do minimal at best, especially for middle and high school. So, those numbers get skewed. Its not just FARMS who bring the number down. Also, those parents are probably accessing private services and tutors for their kids that middle class families cannot afford (those on medicaid get free services via insurance but often therapies are not covered through many insurances).

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It would make too many people angry. The "wealthy" don't want their kids going to school with the "poor." "Poor" is defined as under $400K a year here.

Then 95% of the county must be poor by your definitely.

You are poor after you pay the taxes to live here along with your mortgage, yes.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People pay a premium to live in a neighborhood that has a highly rated school cluster. In Kensington for example, a similar house in the WJ school district would sell for around $150k more than one in the Einstein neighborhood and a house in the BCC zoned part of Kensington would sell for perhaps $200-$250K more than the one in Einstein. For many middle class people, their homes are their main source of wealth and so yes people will be concerned about any redistricting plan that threatens to reduce their home's value. The county should also consider whether a massive redistricting that causes upper middle class people to leave or makes them less likely to move to Mont. County would reduce state income tax revenue and property tax revenue. That would impact school funding.
Also one of the posts in the thread on WJ's situation had some statistics on the SAT performance of FARMS kids in a "W" school and a nearby DCC school and while there is a difference, they are quite similar. Another post on the same thread noted that white students in Einstein and WJ had nearly identical SAT scores (approx. 1800/2400) which is suggestive if you assume that race is correlated with socioeconomic status. In other words, you can physically move the kids around the county in all kinds of ways but unless you address the underlying differences in the socioeconomic status of the kids it is really hard to close the achievement gap. That is not a task that MCPS can tackle on its own.
Here are the stats from the WJ thread:
"Here are the Highest Mean SAT Critical Reading, Mathematics, and Writing Scores for students who qualify for FARMS (Class of 2015):
MCPS: 1386/2400
Einstein 1392/2400
WJ: 1463/2400
BCC: 1330/2400"
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There are a lot of comfortable Einstein families and move moving in as the homes are more "affordable." Einstein is changing in demographics but we don't worry about that stuff. We could easily move but we like our neighborhood and not having a large house payment.

There are also probably other factors like those very comfortable will choose to send their kids with special needs to privates as the public schools only do minimal at best, especially for middle and high school. So, those numbers get skewed. Its not just FARMS who bring the number down. Also, those parents are probably accessing private services and tutors for their kids that middle class families cannot afford (those on medicaid get free services via insurance but often therapies are not covered through many insurances).

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Anonymous wrote:You don't redistrict and bus people away from their communities you spread the housing out.
So, more low income housing spots in the upper income areas (spread out , not all in one spot otherwise you have a 'wrong side of the tracks' exclusion thing going on). Add some McMansion developments to lower income areas - they will come. There are plenty of liberal people who would move to such a neighborhood as long as it has what they need - easy access to public transportation, parks, shopping, community.

The only holdouts for this concept are the people of Potomac. They want no mixed housing, no ball fields, no schools, nothing. You have to wonder why the county is so afraid of them.

Potomac has Tobeytown. There is no real estate available for urban type housing available as all is privately owned. And they really aren't near public transportation. The buses have no where to go, move around and turn. I can barely drive down some roads. The bicyclists - ugh!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don't redistrict and bus people away from their communities you spread the housing out.
So, more low income housing spots in the upper income areas (spread out , not all in one spot otherwise you have a 'wrong side of the tracks' exclusion thing going on). Add some McMansion developments to lower income areas - they will come. There are plenty of liberal people who would move to such a neighborhood as long as it has what they need - easy access to public transportation, parks, shopping, community.

The only holdouts for this concept are the people of Potomac. They want no mixed housing, no ball fields, no schools, nothing. You have to wonder why the county is so afraid of them.

Potomac has Tobeytown. There is no real estate available for urban type housing available as all is privately owned. And they really aren't near public transportation. The buses have no where to go, move around and turn. I can barely drive down some roads. The bicyclists - ugh!

No, there's land. I grew up there. There's plenty of land but the people there are completely rabidly paranoid about even someone middle class moving in.
If you notice there are no buses that go anywhere near the real parts of Potomac. No movies, no fast food, no reasonable housing, no school, no fields, no rec center. They don't want you to come anywhere near Potomac and if you do they do not want you to linger.

They should just put a wall up. Leave Great Falls outside the wall but wall the rest up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don't redistrict and bus people away from their communities you spread the housing out.
So, more low income housing spots in the upper income areas (spread out , not all in one spot otherwise you have a 'wrong side of the tracks' exclusion thing going on). Add some McMansion developments to lower income areas - they will come. There are plenty of liberal people who would move to such a neighborhood as long as it has what they need - easy access to public transportation, parks, shopping, community.

The only holdouts for this concept are the people of Potomac. They want no mixed housing, no ball fields, no schools, nothing. You have to wonder why the county is so afraid of them.

Potomac has Tobeytown. There is no real estate available for urban type housing available as all is privately owned. And they really aren't near public transportation. The buses have no where to go, move around and turn. I can barely drive down some roads. The bicyclists - ugh!

There are a bunch of low income sections as well as public housing and other housing programs that feed into those schools. They are pretty well hidden.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don't redistrict and bus people away from their communities you spread the housing out.
So, more low income housing spots in the upper income areas (spread out , not all in one spot otherwise you have a 'wrong side of the tracks' exclusion thing going on). Add some McMansion developments to lower income areas - they will come. There are plenty of liberal people who would move to such a neighborhood as long as it has what they need - easy access to public transportation, parks, shopping, community.

The only holdouts for this concept are the people of Potomac. They want no mixed housing, no ball fields, no schools, nothing. You have to wonder why the county is so afraid of them.

Potomac has Tobeytown. There is no real estate available for urban type housing available as all is privately owned. And they really aren't near public transportation. The buses have no where to go, move around and turn. I can barely drive down some roads. The bicyclists - ugh!

Yes, see, cut off from public transportation. At least hopefully they didn't steal their land like what happened to the Scotland Community?

It's also weird to just have one area of basically isolated low income people. Very small number of people.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/in-a-wealthy-md-suburb-some-residents-have-waited-more-than-30-years-for-a-ride/2016/04/30/5ecfb218-00f6-11e6-9203-7b8670959b88_story.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We should build a wall along Rock Creek Park.

Make sure to put county execs and MCPS administrators on the rich side of the wall and bring in some decent people to lead the rest of us with more common sense and understand a budget.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don't redistrict and bus people away from their communities you spread the housing out.
So, more low income housing spots in the upper income areas (spread out , not all in one spot otherwise you have a 'wrong side of the tracks' exclusion thing going on). Add some McMansion developments to lower income areas - they will come. There are plenty of liberal people who would move to such a neighborhood as long as it has what they need - easy access to public transportation, parks, shopping, community.

The only holdouts for this concept are the people of Potomac. They want no mixed housing, no ball fields, no schools, nothing. You have to wonder why the county is so afraid of them.

Potomac has Tobeytown. There is no real estate available for urban type housing available as all is privately owned. And they really aren't near public transportation. The buses have no where to go, move around and turn. I can barely drive down some roads. The bicyclists - ugh!

Yes, see, cut off from public transportation. At least hopefully they didn't steal their land like what happened to the Scotland Community?

It's also weird to just have one area of basically isolated low income people. Very small number of people.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/in-a-wealthy-md-suburb-some-residents-have-waited-more-than-30-years-for-a-ride/2016/04/30/5ecfb218-00f6-11e6-9203-7b8670959b88_story.html

And that's really more of the North Potomac area - that's pretty far out there.

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Anonymous wrote:But all those numbers would shift when the kids shifted..Your kids test scores is tied to your kid not the school s/he attends.

You are correct PP, but I don't think the W parents realize this. They are just afraid their kids will get involved with the wrong crowd, although, from what I can see, there are plenty of "wrong" crowds in the W cluster schools, too. Their skin color just happens to be lighter. I'm Asian, btw.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You don't redistrict and bus people away from their communities you spread the housing out.
So, more low income housing spots in the upper income areas (spread out , not all in one spot otherwise you have a 'wrong side of the tracks' exclusion thing going on). Add some McMansion developments to lower income areas - they will come. There are plenty of liberal people who would move to such a neighborhood as long as it has what they need - easy access to public transportation, parks, shopping, community.

The only holdouts for this concept are the people of Potomac. They want no mixed housing, no ball fields, no schools, nothing. You have to wonder why the county is so afraid of them.

Potomac has Tobeytown. There is no real estate available for urban type housing available as all is privately owned. And they really aren't near public transportation. The buses have no where to go, move around and turn. I can barely drive down some roads. The bicyclists - ugh!

Yes, see, cut off from public transportation. At least hopefully they didn't steal their land like what happened to the Scotland Community?

It's also weird to just have one area of basically isolated low income people. Very small number of people.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/in-a-wealthy-md-suburb-some-residents-have-waited-more-than-30-years-for-a-ride/2016/04/30/5ecfb218-00f6-11e6-9203-7b8670959b88_story.html

And that's really more of the North Potomac area - that's pretty far out there.

North Potomac - Rockville
North Bethesda - Rockville

You all must be new around here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But all those numbers would shift when the kids shifted..Your kids test scores is tied to your kid not the school s/he attends.

You are correct PP, but I don't think the W parents realize this. They are just afraid their kids will get involved with the wrong crowd, although, from what I can see, there are plenty of "wrong" crowds in the W cluster schools, too. Their skin color just happens to be lighter. I'm Asian, btw.

Don't tell them that... they might want to send their kids to our schools and their kids could be worse influences on ours. Reality is there is probably much more drugs and alcohol at those schools as that is where the money is. And, all the things that go along with it. But, its ok because its with a specific population.