How does the sexual preference of the Orlando shooter change the narrative?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not a preference.

You are right, sorry, my mistake.

[Anonymous]

I would wait and see on that question. The wife is now spinning her story, adding to it, etc. Seems she was with him when he bought ammo and a holster, and drove him to the club at least once prior and tried to talk him out of it. She did not go to the authorities.

He was on the watch list as little as a week ago because his co-worker went to their management and reported him for his outrageous statements. Mateen screamed racism and apparently, he was dropped. A week later, the shooting happened.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It doesn't change anything?

What was his motivation? Hatred of homosexuals? Hatred of himself? Hatred of United States?

These are all attributable to Islamic Radicalism. Think about it. Look at all the people in that club. Did they hate homosexuals? They weren't killing each other.

Lately, there has been a lot of news reports about the attacks of ISIS on gays.

Sorry, all the pointers go to radical Islam. Maybe, if he were a homosexual, he thought he would get to paradise by killing other homosexuals.

Granted, there are plenty of people who are "uncomfortable" with the gay lifestyle. There are some who claim to hate gays. I don't hear them calling for their murders. Who does call for their murders? Raidcal Islamists.

He is said to have celebrated 9/11. He is said to have had close friends who joined the radicals. He went twice to Saudi Arabia to worship-or whatever. His dad has had anti-American statements attributed to him. He pledged allegiance to ISIS and glorified the Boston bombers.

And these two are also attributable to Christian fundamentalism.

The truth is we don't know yet whether he killed people at the club because he hated himself for being gay or whether it was just a crime of opportunity like the San Bernardino shooter killing his co-workers. But hatred and shaming of gays -- that's a homegrown American practice that Omar Mateen had plenty of time to experience in his 29 years of growing up in his native country. Don't you lay all the blame for that on some foreign entity.

[Anonymous]

It doesn’t change anything.

The killer was a cowardly, hateful piece of crap inspired by the hate spewed by Islamic radicalism.
His sexual “preference” does not change that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is such bad news for ISIS. Do you know how much paperwork is involved in revoking the allegiance of someone posthumously?

Seriously, though. This man was not radicalized in the name of the Islamic religion. He went to the nightclub regularly for three years, drinking while there. You know who doesn't drink at nightclubs? Devout Muslims don't.

The FBI was confused by his claims to belong to several groups that were at odds with each other. Now it makes sense: He didn't know is Hezzbollah from his ISIS and wasn't inspired by any religion. He just claimed that to distract himself and/or project the image of who he wanted people to see him as, not as he really was.

He was a mentally deranged, murderous monster who was also homophobic and gay.

This will not "change the story," though. The story is out there and set and each side will use it to push their own narrative.

Agree with all of this.

He's starting to remind me of George Zimmerman - an all round loser who continues to get into trouble, except a lot more deadly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would wait and see on that question. The wife is now spinning her story, adding to it, etc. Seems she was with him when he bought ammo and a holster, and drove him to the club at least once prior and tried to talk him out of it. She did not go to the authorities.

He was on the watch list as little as a week ago because his co-worker went to their management and reported him for his outrageous statements. Mateen screamed racism and apparently, he was dropped. A week later, the shooting happened.

The wife should be arrested as a co-conspirator. I have no pity for her.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:This is such bad news for ISIS. Do you know how much paperwork is involved in revoking the allegiance of someone posthumously?

Seriously, though. This man was not radicalized in the name of the Islamic religion. He went to the nightclub regularly for three years, drinking while there. You know who doesn't drink at nightclubs? Devout Muslims don't.

The FBI was confused by his claims to belong to several groups that were at odds with each other. Now it makes sense: He didn't know is Hezzbollah from his ISIS and wasn't inspired by any religion. He just claimed that to distract himself and/or project the image of who he wanted people to see him as, not as he really was.

He was a mentally deranged, murderous monster who was also homophobic and gay.

This will not "change the story," though. The story is out there and set and each side will use it to push their own narrative.

Perfectly stated. His understanding of Islam, limited as it appears to be, likely played a role in increasing his self-hatred. Similarly, parental disapproval that was likely at least partially based on religion probably also played a role. So, Islam as he understood it doesn't get a clean bill of health in this, but the situation is much more complicated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is such bad news for ISIS. Do you know how much paperwork is involved in revoking the allegiance of someone posthumously?

Seriously, though. This man was not radicalized in the name of the Islamic religion. He went to the nightclub regularly for three years, drinking while there. You know who doesn't drink at nightclubs? Devout Muslims don't.

The FBI was confused by his claims to belong to several groups that were at odds with each other. Now it makes sense: He didn't know is Hezzbollah from his ISIS and wasn't inspired by any religion. He just claimed that to distract himself and/or project the image of who he wanted people to see him as, not as he really was.

He was a mentally deranged, murderous monster who was also homophobic and gay.

This will not "change the story," though. The story is out there and set and each side will use it to push their own narrative.

I feel like a terrible person but this definitely made me laugh out loud. I can see why the FBI was confused! I think we'll all share that feeling for some time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t change anything.

The killer was a cowardly, hateful piece of crap inspired by the hate spewed by Islamic radicalism.
His sexual “preference” does not change that.

But it seems the only part of Islamic radicalism that he took to was the homosexual part. He drank. He went to clubs. He didn't have a beard. He wasn't a "good Muslim" or a devout follower of Islam. He was a cowardly, hateful piece of crap, but he was not inspired by Islamic radicalism, he used Islamic radicalism to justify what he did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is such bad news for ISIS. Do you know how much paperwork is involved in revoking the allegiance of someone posthumously?

Seriously, though. This man was not radicalized in the name of the Islamic religion. He went to the nightclub regularly for three years, drinking while there. You know who doesn't drink at nightclubs? Devout Muslims don't.

The FBI was confused by his claims to belong to several groups that were at odds with each other. Now it makes sense: He didn't know is Hezzbollah from his ISIS and wasn't inspired by any religion. He just claimed that to distract himself and/or project the image of who he wanted people to see him as, not as he really was.

He was a mentally deranged, murderous monster who was also homophobic and gay.

This will not "change the story," though. The story is out there and set and each side will use it to push their own narrative.

This is just not true. I know of at least two friends - devout Muslims - big drinkers and partiers.
The imbibe secretly. Away from family.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t change anything.

The killer was a cowardly, hateful piece of crap inspired by the hate spewed by Islamic radicalism.
His sexual “preference” does not change that.

But it seems the only part of Islamic radicalism that he took to was the homosexual part. He drank. He went to clubs. He didn't have a beard. He wasn't a "good Muslim" or a devout follower of Islam. He was a cowardly, hateful piece of crap, but he was not inspired by Islamic radicalism, he used Islamic radicalism to justify what he did.

Radical Islamists, or whatever you want to call them, aren't devout Muslims either.

[Anonymous]

How many serial killers were homosexual? I know of many, which means that they're overrepresented as murderers.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is such bad news for ISIS. Do you know how much paperwork is involved in revoking the allegiance of someone posthumously?

Seriously, though. This man was not radicalized in the name of the Islamic religion. He went to the nightclub regularly for three years, drinking while there. You know who doesn't drink at nightclubs? Devout Muslims don't.

The FBI was confused by his claims to belong to several groups that were at odds with each other. Now it makes sense: He didn't know is Hezzbollah from his ISIS and wasn't inspired by any religion. He just claimed that to distract himself and/or project the image of who he wanted people to see him as, not as he really was.

He was a mentally deranged, murderous monster who was also homophobic and gay.

This will not "change the story," though. The story is out there and set and each side will use it to push their own narrative.

Perfectly stated. His understanding of Islam, limited as it appears to be, likely played a role in increasing his self-hatred. Similarly, parental disapproval that was likely at least partially based on religion probably also played a role. So, Islam as he understood it doesn't get a clean bill of health in this, but the situation is much more complicated.

Oh cut the crap. Who on this Earth understands Islam differently?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How many serial killers were homosexual? I know of many, which means that they're overrepresented as murderers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not a preference.

Isn't it a preference for some people? I never got this. Being gay is not okay because it's something you can't control. It's okay because it's okay.

Actually, many people think it's not OK, but whatever.