White working class acting against their own interests?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is a great question and has perplexed me forever. Why would anyone who is middle class or poor and in danger of losing a job or health care vote for the Trump. A rich guy who has gotten there on the backs of these very people, who will never think about them and only themselves. It is like they believe if they just get a guy in office that looks like them they will be just fine. Someone explain how people consistently vote against their own pay checks and families. Is it fear? Is it hatred? Who does this?

I don't think its fear or hatred.
You ask me its denial.
Some people just don't want to wake the *bleep* up and accept the fact that they're not part of the privileged upper-class and just refuse to believe that financially they're in the same boat as non-whites and illegal immigrants - cause you know they're the only people who are supposed to be poor in this country lol.
Anyway, as opposed to identifying with and aligning themselves to policies and politicians that actually have their best interests in mind these stubborn folks are deadset on distancing themselves from those people as in the underclass and instead they throw their support toward the policies and politicians that they WANT to identify with as in white privileged rich people.

[Anonymous]

I am visiting my parents and have thus had the chance to listen to several of his conversations with fellow right wingers, and it's funny listening to them rail against a series of things that don't affect them AT ALL (abortion/birth control/sex lives of others, that Christianity isn't treated 100% as the law of the land, guns, even though NO ONE has taken any of their damn toys) and rail against all the trouble "big government" has "caused": loss of jobs, loss of pensions, unfixed roads and neglected infrastructure, etc. None of which, in case anyone misses my sarcasm, is caused by the government. It's such misplaced anger that it would be laugh out loud funny if they weren't so serious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You should just ask.........

“Wouldn’t you want the government to take better care of you so you don’t have to worry about taking care of yourself?"

+1. Indeed. Wouldn't you want to not be a republican so you're not putting in power the wealthy business owners who profit from your apparent ignorance and blind allegiance? Wouldn't you want to be a socialist? I'm not from the US and I have to give the GOP a slow clap every time I think of what they've pulled off in the last 35 years.

Donald Trump is a wealthy business owner who has created tens of thousands of jobs. When he profits, so do the people who work for him. In a capitalist society, you can't hate companies but want jobs.

Blue collar workers for the most part do not want handouts, they want jobs. That is why they buy into Trump's message. They do not view themselves as poor, but rather displaced due to bad trade deals and unfair global competition. Many, believe it or not, have the old fashion view that government handouts are charity and it embarrasses them. They want good jobs. Hillary has never created one, other than for attorneys representing her.

Hundreds of current and former Trump Organization employees have accused the company of being less than fair and more than tough. Multiple lawsuits have targeted Trump's businesses over the years with allegations ranging from anti-union intimidation to hiring undocumented workers. In one case, the Trump Organization paid $475,000 to settle a claim with nearly 300 Los Angeles golf club employees in a class-action suit alleging unpaid wages and age discrimination, and other offenses.

In another, the Trump Organization settled for an unknown sum more than 15 years after unionized workers first accused the company of employing undocumented Polish immigrants at a New York demolition site. The workers allegedly "were paid $5 an hour or less when they were paid at all," and "worked 12-hour shifts, seven days a week with no overtime,".

Recently, the National Labor Relations Board filed a complaint against Trump International Hotel Las Vegas, saying hotel management had illegally attempted to coerce workers into voting against unionization. Hotel employees voted to organize with the Culinary Union in December, but management has yet to recognize the union.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You should just ask.........

“Wouldn’t you want the government to take better care of you so you don’t have to worry about taking care of yourself?"

+1. Indeed. Wouldn't you want to not be a republican so you're not putting in power the wealthy business owners who profit from your apparent ignorance and blind allegiance? Wouldn't you want to be a socialist? I'm not from the US and I have to give the GOP a slow clap every time I think of what they've pulled off in the last 35 years.

Donald Trump is a wealthy business owner who has created tens of thousands of jobs. When he profits, so do the people who work for him. In a capitalist society, you can't hate companies but want jobs.

Blue collar workers for the most part do not want handouts, they want jobs. That is why they buy into Trump's message. They do not view themselves as poor, but rather displaced due to bad trade deals and unfair global competition. Many, believe it or not, have the old fashion view that government handouts are charity and it embarrasses them. They want good jobs. Hillary has never created one, other than for attorneys representing her.

They want good jobs without having to work for it, ie, get a good education. Why do you think Trump does so well with the "poorly educated".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a great question and has perplexed me forever. Why would anyone who is middle class or poor and in danger of losing a job or health care vote for the Trump. A rich guy who has gotten there on the backs of these very people, who will never think about them and only themselves. It is like they believe if they just get a guy in office that looks like them they will be just fine. Someone explain how people consistently vote against their own pay checks and families. Is it fear? Is it hatred? Who does this?

It’s quite simple, really.
Many of us in the middle class realize that the more “power” we give to the government in taking care of us, the more freedoms we lose as a result.
Like the ACA - we essentially handed over the power to the government to mandate health insurance for all, and in turn, gave up our freedom to choose what plan suits us and our families. Don’t need birth control? Too bad, you’ve got it. And, you don’t have young kids who need dental coverage? So sorry, pal, you get it anyway.
So, simply put, we value freedom more than we value “free things.”

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You should just ask.........

“Wouldn’t you want the government to take better care of you so you don’t have to worry about taking care of yourself?"

I don't want a big gov't, especially one that tells me how to parent. But, healthcare is a completely different ballgame. When we have a system where people's lives can be decimated, financially and/or mortally, due to lack of quality healthcare, that's not the gov't taking care of you. That's a system that leaves the weakest of us behind. I say this as someone who is self-employed, makes six figures, some years pay $100K in taxes, and had a hard time getting private insurance pre-ACA.

Healthcare comes with good jobs. That is what underemployed or the unemployed really want. That is what Trump is promising to remedy, just like when America was Great. The message has a lot of traction in the Rust Belt.

But, if you want to create your own business, it was really hard to get private health insurance. Plus, small companies didn't have to provide health care to their employees. Now, at least, these people can get insurance.

And what happens if someone gets laid off due to something else other than globalization, or gets really sick so they can't work? They would be screwed because most of these people don't have enough savings to see them through. Also, I knew someone who ended up dying of cancer bankrupt because the person hit the lifetime limit.

ACA helps the general public. There will be bits and pieces of it that are useless for some people, but you take the good with the bad. ACA also forces insurance companies to pay for some mental healthcare. And we really need this if we are not going to have stricter gun control because god knows we have enough crazy people who can access guns so easily. Aren't all these gun rights advocates saying we should have better mental health coverage.. well there you go... ACA is helping your cause.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a great question and has perplexed me forever. Why would anyone who is middle class or poor and in danger of losing a job or health care vote for the Trump. A rich guy who has gotten there on the backs of these very people, who will never think about them and only themselves. It is like they believe if they just get a guy in office that looks like them they will be just fine. Someone explain how people consistently vote against their own pay checks and families. Is it fear? Is it hatred? Who does this?

It’s quite simple, really.
Many of us in the middle class realize that the more “power” we give to the government in taking care of us, the more freedoms we lose as a result.
Like the ACA - we essentially handed over the power to the government to mandate health insurance for all, and in turn, gave up our freedom to choose what plan suits us and our families. Don’t need birth control? Too bad, you’ve got it. And, you don’t have young kids who need dental coverage? So sorry, pal, you get it anyway.
So, simply put, we value freedom more than we value “free things.”

? If you don't have young kids why are you getting coverage for young kids? And if you do have young kids, you do need some kind of dental coverage. That's crazy to think you don't.

Hey, I hate that we have such easy access to guns, but sorry, pal, we get it anyways.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Explain this to me: If you are being left behind by globalization and not doing well financial, wouldn't you want an expansion of overtime pay? Wouldn't you want the Affordable Care Act in case you lose your job or don't have benefits at your job? Wouldn't you support the initiative to make college affordable so that your children will not experience what you did? Wouldn't you want the tax code to ask more of the rich so that you, the poor, can enjoy greater benefits? Why are the "poor, white working class" folks supporting politicians (like Trump) who publicly spouse policies that will not benefit you?

Honestly, I first wondered about this during the Regan Era. Factory workers and whole towns decimated = Pro-Regan. I think it's that hatred and fear are blinding. Utterly blinding.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a great question and has perplexed me forever. Why would anyone who is middle class or poor and in danger of losing a job or health care vote for the Trump. A rich guy who has gotten there on the backs of these very people, who will never think about them and only themselves. It is like they believe if they just get a guy in office that looks like them they will be just fine. Someone explain how people consistently vote against their own pay checks and families. Is it fear? Is it hatred? Who does this?

It’s quite simple, really.
Many of us in the middle class realize that the more “power” we give to the government in taking care of us, the more freedoms we lose as a result.
Like the ACA - we essentially handed over the power to the government to mandate health insurance for all, and in turn, gave up our freedom to choose what plan suits us and our families. Don’t need birth control? Too bad, you’ve got it. And, you don’t have young kids who need dental coverage? So sorry, pal, you get it anyway.
So, simply put, we value freedom more than we value “free things.”

? If you don't have young kids why are you getting coverage for young kids? And if you do have young kids, you do need some kind of dental coverage. That's crazy to think you don't.

Hey, I hate that we have such easy access to guns, but sorry, pal, we get it anyways.

See, this is my problem with those people who are so gung-ho about the ACA.
Pediatric dental coverage is REQUIRED for all ACA-compliant plans - whether you have children or not.
Guess you didn’t know that. Makes me wonder what else you don’t know about it.

Dental insurance, for the most part, isn’t covered under ObamaCare (the Affordable Care Act). However, children’s dental coverage is a required benefit included on all ACA compliant plans and cost assistance can be applied to any Marketplace plan that includes dental.

http://obamacarefacts.com/dental-insurance/dental-insurance/

[Anonymous]

Gov jacked up healthcare

I went form having a high deductible plan for 100 a month

to having an even higher deductible plan for 250 a month.. Thanks Obama

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You should just ask.........

“Wouldn’t you want the government to take better care of you so you don’t have to worry about taking care of yourself?"

+1. Indeed. Wouldn't you want to not be a republican so you're not putting in power the wealthy business owners who profit from your apparent ignorance and blind allegiance? Wouldn't you want to be a socialist? I'm not from the US and I have to give the GOP a slow clap every time I think of what they've pulled off in the last 35 years.

Donald Trump is a wealthy business owner who has created tens of thousands of jobs. When he profits, so do the people who work for him. In a capitalist society, you can't hate companies but want jobs.

Blue collar workers for the most part do not want handouts, they want jobs. That is why they buy into Trump's message. They do not view themselves as poor, but rather displaced due to bad trade deals and unfair global competition. Many, believe it or not, have the old fashion view that government handouts are charity and it embarrasses them. They want good jobs. Hillary has never created one, other than for attorneys representing her.

You do know that this concept of trickle down economics, from Ronald Reagan, didn't and doesn't work. The wealthy save, they don't necessarily spend. All wealthy aren't the Kardashians they don't slap on Gucci every day to parade around the press. No one wants a hand out, most people would prefer to work and get what they need. Donald Trump is not going to pass legislation to help you get a job he is going to pass legislation to help him and all who agree with him (the wealthy)

[Anonymous]

a democrat has occupied the WH since 2009. Y'all act like W is still there. Cracks me up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You should just ask.........

“Wouldn’t you want the government to take better care of you so you don’t have to worry about taking care of yourself?"

+1. Indeed. Wouldn't you want to not be a republican so you're not putting in power the wealthy business owners who profit from your apparent ignorance and blind allegiance? Wouldn't you want to be a socialist? I'm not from the US and I have to give the GOP a slow clap every time I think of what they've pulled off in the last 35 years.

Donald Trump is a wealthy business owner who has created tens of thousands of jobs. When he profits, so do the people who work for him. In a capitalist society, you can't hate companies but want jobs.

Blue collar workers for the most part do not want handouts, they want jobs. That is why they buy into Trump's message. They do not view themselves as poor, but rather displaced due to bad trade deals and unfair global competition. Many, believe it or not, have the old fashion view that government handouts are charity and it embarrasses them. They want good jobs. Hillary has never created one, other than for attorneys representing her.

Hundreds of current and former Trump Organization employees have accused the company of being less than fair and more than tough. Multiple lawsuits have targeted Trump's businesses over the years with allegations ranging from anti-union intimidation to hiring undocumented workers. In one case, the Trump Organization paid $475,000 to settle a claim with nearly 300 Los Angeles golf club employees in a class-action suit alleging unpaid wages and age discrimination, and other offenses.

In another, the Trump Organization settled for an unknown sum more than 15 years after unionized workers first accused the company of employing undocumented Polish immigrants at a New York demolition site. The workers allegedly "were paid $5 an hour or less when they were paid at all," and "worked 12-hour shifts, seven days a week with no overtime,".

Recently, the National Labor Relations Board filed a complaint against Trump International Hotel Las Vegas, saying hotel management had illegally attempted to coerce workers into voting against unionization. Hotel employees voted to organize with the Culinary Union in December, but management has yet to recognize the union.

Have you ever run a business? Clearly not. I have a small business and have had to face several law suites from employees who felt they were unfairly let go, weren't treated fairly on the job, etc. I had to hire an attorney and fight over what turned out to be mostly fabrications. Their attorney was working on contingency, so they had no reason not to look for a free payday. I won most and settled for a few thousand dollars in one case because it was too expensive to fight, even though I was right. When someone is let go, they frequently blame the employer for being unfair, even though they are the one to blame for not performing. An attorney will tell them that the employer will settle rather than fight. This is how America works.

In Trump's history he has been purported to have created over 50,000 jobs with multiples more indirectly. What you mention is a very small percentage of those. There is no business of the size of his venture that does not get sued from time to time. Many times it is ambulance chasing attorneys looking to make a name and a buck. Sometimes it is legitimate and companies pay or settle. But it is the cost of doing business in today's litigious society. Similar suits to the above have been brought against Walmart, Uber, FedEx, IBM, and many more large employers. Should we run those companies out of business and put hundreds of thousands onto the streets because a small percentage feel shorted from time to time?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You should just ask.........

“Wouldn’t you want the government to take better care of you so you don’t have to worry about taking care of yourself?"

+1. Indeed. Wouldn't you want to not be a republican so you're not putting in power the wealthy business owners who profit from your apparent ignorance and blind allegiance? Wouldn't you want to be a socialist? I'm not from the US and I have to give the GOP a slow clap every time I think of what they've pulled off in the last 35 years.

Donald Trump is a wealthy business owner who has created tens of thousands of jobs. When he profits, so do the people who work for him. In a capitalist society, you can't hate companies but want jobs.

Blue collar workers for the most part do not want handouts, they want jobs. That is why they buy into Trump's message. They do not view themselves as poor, but rather displaced due to bad trade deals and unfair global competition. Many, believe it or not, have the old fashion view that government handouts are charity and it embarrasses them. They want good jobs. Hillary has never created one, other than for attorneys representing her.

You do know that this concept of trickle down economics, from Ronald Reagan, didn't and doesn't work. The wealthy save, they don't necessarily spend. All wealthy aren't the Kardashians they don't slap on Gucci every day to parade around the press. No one wants a hand out, most people would prefer to work and get what they need. Donald Trump is not going to pass legislation to help you get a job he is going to pass legislation to help him and all who agree with him (the wealthy)

So all those jobs that Obama has created driving the unemployment rate down to 5% had nothing to do with him, right. Government policies can help, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a great question and has perplexed me forever. Why would anyone who is middle class or poor and in danger of losing a job or health care vote for the Trump. A rich guy who has gotten there on the backs of these very people, who will never think about them and only themselves. It is like they believe if they just get a guy in office that looks like them they will be just fine. Someone explain how people consistently vote against their own pay checks and families. Is it fear? Is it hatred? Who does this?

It’s quite simple, really.
Many of us in the middle class realize that the more “power” we give to the government in taking care of us, the more freedoms we lose as a result.
Like the ACA - we essentially handed over the power to the government to mandate health insurance for all, and in turn, gave up our freedom to choose what plan suits us and our families. Don’t need birth control? Too bad, you’ve got it. And, you don’t have young kids who need dental coverage? So sorry, pal, you get it anyway.
So, simply put, we value freedom more than we value “free things.”

? If you don't have young kids why are you getting coverage for young kids? And if you do have young kids, you do need some kind of dental coverage. That's crazy to think you don't.

Hey, I hate that we have such easy access to guns, but sorry, pal, we get it anyways.

See, this is my problem with those people who are so gung-ho about the ACA.
Pediatric dental coverage is REQUIRED for all ACA-compliant plans - whether you have children or not.
Guess you didn’t know that. Makes me wonder what else you don’t know about it.

Dental insurance, for the most part, isn’t covered under ObamaCare (the Affordable Care Act). However, children’s dental coverage is a required benefit included on all ACA compliant plans and cost assistance can be applied to any Marketplace plan that includes dental.

http://obamacarefacts.com/dental-insurance/dental-insurance/

From that website:
A child must be offered dental, but you don’t have to take it...."

Did you not read this part?