70 6th grade spots given to OOB at Hardy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I really think that between Key, Mann, Hyde, Stoddert (and maybe Eaton?) we can expect many more children enrolling from feeders so I'm bummed so many oob spots were awarded in the initial lottery. Not because I don't want oob, but because I don't want huge classes.

As has been suggested on other threads, there are good reasons for DCPS to expand enrollment at Hardy by making more spots available to OOB students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really think that between Key, Mann, Hyde, Stoddert (and maybe Eaton?) we can expect many more children enrolling from feeders so I'm bummed so many oob spots were awarded in the initial lottery. Not because I don't want oob, but because I don't want huge classes.

Calm down, I would be surprised if 40 spots offered accept. There are very few middle school options, people put schools on their just because they can.

I don't follow your logic, PP. If there are very few middle school options, wouldn't those OOB spots at Hardy be prized?

Every kid who match for 6th grade at Hardy either ranked Hardy first or drew a bad number in the lottery and was wait listed at every public and charter middle school ranked above Hardy. The MySchoolDC unified lottery has reduced wait list movement dramatically. Where are the 40 kids you think will decline their Hardy spots planning to go?

Furthermore, why won't the 17 kids on the wait list for 6th grade at Hardy be offered the spots that are declined?

+1 exactly. I question the logic of allowing there to be 80 seats made available to out of boundary students before the school has a true handle on how many in boundary or feeder school students they can expect this August. It undermines a lot of the work that is been done by the feeder schools to encourage more children to enroll. And a potential he sets up the school to have many more children enrolled in the budget allows for. And I am quite certain that 80 was not the number of available spots listed in the lottery database when the lottery was open.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really think that between Key, Mann, Hyde, Stoddert (and maybe Eaton?) we can expect many more children enrolling from feeders so I'm bummed so many oob spots were awarded in the initial lottery. Not because I don't want oob, but because I don't want huge classes.

As has been suggested on other threads, there are good reasons for DCPS to expand enrollment at Hardy by making more spots available to OOB students.

It's absolutely fine to expand Hardy and grow it's enrollment, however if you look at the submit a budget posted just last week it clearly says that the anticipated it and roll it will be 380 students. The DC PS is not planning on enrollment to grow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really think that between Key, Mann, Hyde, Stoddert (and maybe Eaton?) we can expect many more children enrolling from feeders so I'm bummed so many oob spots were awarded in the initial lottery. Not because I don't want oob, but because I don't want huge classes.

Calm down, I would be surprised if 40 spots offered accept. There are very few middle school options, people put schools on their just because they can.

I don't follow your logic, PP. If there are very few middle school options, wouldn't those OOB spots at Hardy be prized?

Every kid who match for 6th grade at Hardy either ranked Hardy first or drew a bad number in the lottery and was wait listed at every public and charter middle school ranked above Hardy. The MySchoolDC unified lottery has reduced wait list movement dramatically. Where are the 40 kids you think will decline their Hardy spots planning to go?

Furthermore, why won't the 17 kids on the wait list for 6th grade at Hardy be offered the spots that are declined?

+1 exactly. I question the logic of allowing there to be 80 seats made available to out of boundary students before the school has a true handle on how many in boundary or feeder school students they can expect this August. It undermines a lot of the work that is been done by the feeder schools to encourage more children to enroll. And a potential he sets up the school to have many more children enrolled in the budget allows for. And I am quite certain that 80 was not the number of available spots listed in the lottery database when the lottery was open.

Many kids in DC play the lottery even when they have no intent on moving. Has Hardy gotten themselves in trouble before with over-enrollement? If not, then give them the benefit of the doubt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^Many, even OOB for Hardy, will choose to go to private schools.

This. Or get off the waitlist of a higher ranked school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^^Many, even OOB for Hardy, will choose to go to private schools.

Is that just wishful thinking, PP? Do you have any evidence to support this claim?

I suspect that the kids who can afford private middle school are already at a Hardy feeder (or a Deal feeder), either because they live IB for the feeder or because their parents are savvy enough to lottery into the feeder pattern in elementary school. In either case, those kids would not have entered the lottery for Hardy.

What elementary schools did the kids who lotteried for Hardy but plan to go to private middle school attend?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really think that between Key, Mann, Hyde, Stoddert (and maybe Eaton?) we can expect many more children enrolling from feeders so I'm bummed so many oob spots were awarded in the initial lottery. Not because I don't want oob, but because I don't want huge classes.

As has been suggested on other threads, there are good reasons for DCPS to expand enrollment at Hardy by making more spots available to OOB students.

It's absolutely fine to expand Hardy and grow it's enrollment, however if you look at the submit a budget posted just last week it clearly says that the anticipated it and roll it will be 380 students. The DC PS is not planning on enrollment to grow.

Can't the budget be revised if enrollment grows? Charter schools have until early October to determine their final enrollment for the year and secure their per-pupil funding. Are DCPS schools held to a different deadline?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^Many, even OOB for Hardy, will choose to go to private schools.

Is that just wishful thinking, PP? Do you have any evidence to support this claim?

I suspect that the kids who can afford private middle school are already at a Hardy feeder (or a Deal feeder), either because they live IB for the feeder or because their parents are savvy enough to lottery into the feeder pattern in elementary school. In either case, those kids would not have entered the lottery for Hardy.

What elementary schools did the kids who lotteried for Hardy but plan to go to private middle school attend?

There are kids outside of WOTP that go to private. Step out of your bubble.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^Many, even OOB for Hardy, will choose to go to private schools.

Is that just wishful thinking, PP? Do you have any evidence to support this claim?

I suspect that the kids who can afford private middle school are already at a Hardy feeder (or a Deal feeder), either because they live IB for the feeder or because their parents are savvy enough to lottery into the feeder pattern in elementary school. In either case, those kids would not have entered the lottery for Hardy.

What elementary schools did the kids who lotteried for Hardy but plan to go to private middle school attend?

There are kids outside of WOTP that go to private. Step out of your bubble.

Of course there are, PP. The question I'm asking you is this: What evidence you have that 40 of those kids (or 57) lotteried for 6th grade at Hardy with no intention of going?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^Many, even OOB for Hardy, will choose to go to private schools.

Is that just wishful thinking, PP? Do you have any evidence to support this claim?

I suspect that the kids who can afford private middle school are already at a Hardy feeder (or a Deal feeder), either because they live IB for the feeder or because their parents are savvy enough to lottery into the feeder pattern in elementary school. In either case, those kids would not have entered the lottery for Hardy.

What elementary schools did the kids who lotteried for Hardy but plan to go to private middle school attend?

There are kids outside of WOTP that go to private. Step out of your bubble.

Of course there are, PP. The question I'm asking you is this: What evidence you have that 40 of those kids (or 57) lotteried for 6th grade at Hardy with no intention of going?

What evidence do you have that they will attend? Has Hardy ever fumbled this before?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^Many, even OOB for Hardy, will choose to go to private schools.

Is that just wishful thinking, PP? Do you have any evidence to support this claim?

I suspect that the kids who can afford private middle school are already at a Hardy feeder (or a Deal feeder), either because they live IB for the feeder or because their parents are savvy enough to lottery into the feeder pattern in elementary school. In either case, those kids would not have entered the lottery for Hardy.

What elementary schools did the kids who lotteried for Hardy but plan to go to private middle school attend?

There are kids outside of WOTP that go to private. Step out of your bubble.

Of course there are, PP. The question I'm asking you is this: What evidence you have that 40 of those kids (or 57) lotteried for 6th grade at Hardy with no intention of going?

What evidence do you have that they will attend? Has Hardy ever fumbled this before?

Fumble what? I don't see accepting 80 OOB 6th graders as a fumble.

Projected enrollment is 380, which works out to about 125 kids per grade. If all 80 OOB kids accept, Hardy needs 45 kids from feeder schools to hit its enrollment target. In fact, the school probably needs 55 feeder kids because enrollment data from 2013-2014 suggest that this year's 8th grade class is larger than usual -- around 135 kids.

If more than 55 feeder kids enroll, so what? Hardy can create another section of 6th graders, hire another teacher, and ask DCPS for more money. The school has plenty of space to grow.

The real risk is under-enrollment. What would Hardy do if it made just 30 OOB spots available, but had only 60 feeder show up in the fall? How would the school find 35 to 45 kids willing to switch schools?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^Many, even OOB for Hardy, will choose to go to private schools.

Is that just wishful thinking, PP? Do you have any evidence to support this claim?

I suspect that the kids who can afford private middle school are already at a Hardy feeder (or a Deal feeder), either because they live IB for the feeder or because their parents are savvy enough to lottery into the feeder pattern in elementary school. In either case, those kids would not have entered the lottery for Hardy.

What elementary schools did the kids who lotteried for Hardy but plan to go to private middle school attend?

There are kids outside of WOTP that go to private. Step out of your bubble.

Of course there are, PP. The question I'm asking you is this: What evidence you have that 40 of those kids (or 57) lotteried for 6th grade at Hardy with no intention of going?

What evidence do you have that they will attend? Has Hardy ever fumbled this before?

Fumble what? I don't see accepting 80 OOB 6th graders as a fumble.

Projected enrollment is 380, which works out to about 125 kids per grade. If all 80 OOB kids accept, Hardy needs 45 kids from feeder schools to hit its enrollment target. In fact, the school probably needs 55 feeder kids because enrollment data from 2013-2014 suggest that this year's 8th grade class is larger than usual -- around 135 kids.

If more than 55 feeder kids enroll, so what? Hardy can create another section of 6th graders, hire another teacher, and ask DCPS for more money. The school has plenty of space to grow.

The real risk is under-enrollment. What would Hardy do if it made just 30 OOB spots available, but had only 60 feeder show up in the fall? How would the school find 35 to 45 kids willing to switch schools?

I agree with you. The sentiment from others is that they shouldn't have accepted so many OOB.

[Anonymous]

For the next couple years, students at Eaton can go to Deal, so that is not really a Hardy feeder until at least 2017-18 because kids with siblings at Deal will be allowed to go there as well.

[Anonymous]

I would just like to understand the calculus that was involved. Maybe it's wishful thinking but based on everything I know I genuinely believe that the feeder schools will deliver 70 to 80 kids to Hardy's sixth grade class next school year. And certainly a school can hopefully get additional funding for significant increases in enrollment but snapping your fingers and adding a section of sixth grade in August or September isn't is easy as PP wants you to think, particularly if you want a truly effective, fantastic teacher. Teachers looking for a job in late August or probably not what you really want...and the school can't make the hire until the budget is increased and the hiring is approved which if you've ever dealt with the DCPS, is quite involved

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would just like to understand the calculus that was involved. Maybe it's wishful thinking but based on everything I know I genuinely believe that the feeder schools will deliver 70 to 80 kids to Hardy's sixth grade class next school year. And certainly a school can hopefully get additional funding for significant increases in enrollment but snapping your fingers and adding a section of sixth grade in August or September isn't is easy as PP wants you to think, particularly if you want a truly effective, fantastic teacher. Teachers looking for a job in late August or probably not what you really want...and the school can't make the hire until the budget is increased and the hiring is approved which if you've ever dealt with the DCPS, is quite involved

I suppose that Principal Pride's projections for feeder enrollment next year must be much lower that your's, PP.