70 6th grade spots given to OOB at Hardy

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Anonymous wrote:It was never anticipated that Hardy would be a solely IB school. Even just after completion, Rhee and others stated that even if all IB kids were to attend there would still be ample space for OOB. The feeder school population, while growing, is still not huge like Janney or Lafayette.

The obsession with IB vs OOB numbers are misguided because at least at some schools, the "feeder" schoolkids are not from the IB zone anyways because they lotteried in at elementary, possibly as late as grades 4 or 5. So in the end the numbers don't tell much about where the kids live at all. Maybe in a few years they will but from our school, most of the fifth graders now who go to Hardy are not from the neighborhood. One should pick the school based on a visit rather than these projections, with the assumption that the feeder school numbers are slowly increasing.

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Anonymous wrote:It was never anticipated that Hardy would be a solely IB school. Even just after completion, Rhee and others stated that even if all IB kids were to attend there would still be ample space for OOB. The feeder school population, while growing, is still not huge like Janney or Lafayette.

The obsession with IB vs OOB numbers are misguided because at least at some schools, the "feeder" schoolkids are not from the IB zone anyways because they lotteried in at elementary, possibly as late as grades 4 or 5. So in the end the numbers don't tell much about where the kids live at all. Maybe in a few years they will but from our school, most of the fifth graders now who go to Hardy are not from the neighborhood. One should pick the school based on a visit rather than these projections, with the assumption that the feeder school numbers are slowly increasing.[/quote

PP, we are all aware that feeder kids are often OOB.

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Anonymous wrote:My neighborhood was routed out of Wilson's boundary. I hope Hardy keeps enough OOB seats that my kid can get in there someday. Not sure what everyone's so afraid of--folks that have enough academic ambitions for their kids to enroll in the lottery and get kids over to Hardy each day are by and large going to be just fine. My kid has two parents (with three graduate degrees between them) at home, plenty of books and extracurriculars, and decent behavior. Just because we can't afford to live in upper NW doesn't mean your kid will be damaged by associating with us. Why should DCPS maintain a giant building for the 50 in-bounds kids attending Hardy? Be careful what you wish for--with fewer OOB kids, it would be easy for DCPS to decide the school is underenrolled, send the couple dozen IB kids to Francis-Stevens instead, and poof! You've got a Cardozo feed.

You're so rational, pp! My kid was a similar OOB student and it feels so odd to have some posters imply that a large OOB population is a threat to their children's education!

The reality, PPs, is that not all OOB kids are as prepared and have as much support at home as your kids.

But most of the Hardy OOB students are prepared and do well. So where's the beef?

As has been demonstrated on a different thread, if you are satisfied with your kid scoring proficient on the DCCAS, there's no beef,

First, there is no more DCCAS. Second, my kid won't score sufficient. My kid is advanced and as shown on other threads, many high SES kids score advanced on testing. Being around brown kids is not going to make my advanced kid perform worse. In fact, he may have better experience than his future school (Deal) being that Hardy is smaller.

As was shown on the other thread, many white (and presumably high SES) kids at Hardy only scored proficient on the DCCAS in the past.

I get it. Your kids do not fall into that group. Congratulations.

However, many white kids do fall into that group. Their parents have been getting their DCCAS scores in the mail and are apparently satisfies with proficient.

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Anonymous wrote:It was never anticipated that Hardy would be a solely IB school. Even just after completion, Rhee and others stated that even if all IB kids were to attend there would still be ample space for OOB. The feeder school population, while growing, is still not huge like Janney or Lafayette.

The obsession with IB vs OOB numbers are misguided because at least at some schools, the "feeder" schoolkids are not from the IB zone anyways because they lotteried in at elementary, possibly as late as grades 4 or 5. So in the end the numbers don't tell much about where the kids live at all. Maybe in a few years they will but from our school, most of the fifth graders now who go to Hardy are not from the neighborhood. One should pick the school based on a visit rather than these projections, with the assumption that the feeder school numbers are slowly increasing.[/quote

If so, why the focus on OOB v IB numbers then? Maybe there is a slight difference in preparation if coming from a feeder v unknown school but that is not a guarantee and does not change much if Hardy has an advanced track anyways.

PP, we are all aware that feeder kids are often OOB.

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Anonymous wrote:My neighborhood was routed out of Wilson's boundary. I hope Hardy keeps enough OOB seats that my kid can get in there someday. Not sure what everyone's so afraid of--folks that have enough academic ambitions for their kids to enroll in the lottery and get kids over to Hardy each day are by and large going to be just fine. My kid has two parents (with three graduate degrees between them) at home, plenty of books and extracurriculars, and decent behavior. Just because we can't afford to live in upper NW doesn't mean your kid will be damaged by associating with us. Why should DCPS maintain a giant building for the 50 in-bounds kids attending Hardy? Be careful what you wish for--with fewer OOB kids, it would be easy for DCPS to decide the school is underenrolled, send the couple dozen IB kids to Francis-Stevens instead, and poof! You've got a Cardozo feed.

You're so rational, pp! My kid was a similar OOB student and it feels so odd to have some posters imply that a large OOB population is a threat to their children's education!

The reality, PPs, is that not all OOB kids are as prepared and have as much support at home as your kids.

But most of the Hardy OOB students are prepared and do well. So where's the beef?

As has been demonstrated on a different thread, if you are satisfied with your kid scoring proficient on the DCCAS, there's no beef,

First, there is no more DCCAS. Second, my kid won't score sufficient. My kid is advanced and as shown on other threads, many high SES kids score advanced on testing. Being around brown kids is not going to make my advanced kid perform worse. In fact, he may have better experience than his future school (Deal) being that Hardy is smaller.

As was shown on the other thread, many white (and presumably high SES) kids at Hardy only scored proficient on the DCCAS in the past.

I get it. Your kids do not fall into that group. Congratulations.

However, many white kids do fall into that group. Their parents have been getting their DCCAS scores in the mail and are apparently satisfies with proficient.

29% of the mere 35 white kids scored advanced in reading, 46% advanced in math. Guess what, those numbers are better than most JKLMs.

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Will Hardy fare better if charter parents feel they can't rely on DCI getting a permanent location?

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Anonymous wrote:My neighborhood was routed out of Wilson's boundary. I hope Hardy keeps enough OOB seats that my kid can get in there someday. Not sure what everyone's so afraid of--folks that have enough academic ambitions for their kids to enroll in the lottery and get kids over to Hardy each day are by and large going to be just fine. My kid has two parents (with three graduate degrees between them) at home, plenty of books and extracurriculars, and decent behavior. Just because we can't afford to live in upper NW doesn't mean your kid will be damaged by associating with us. Why should DCPS maintain a giant building for the 50 in-bounds kids attending Hardy? Be careful what you wish for--with fewer OOB kids, it would be easy for DCPS to decide the school is underenrolled, send the couple dozen IB kids to Francis-Stevens instead, and poof! You've got a Cardozo feed.

You're so rational, pp! My kid was a similar OOB student and it feels so odd to have some posters imply that a large OOB population is a threat to their children's education!

The reality, PPs, is that not all OOB kids are as prepared and have as much support at home as your kids.

I hate to tell you the same is true at Deal. There is a sizable cohort that have academic & social needs that are not perfectly delt with. Deal is not perfect & has a number of issues. However both Hardy & Deal have solid administrators that are capable of creating a place many percentiles of kids can learn.

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Anonymous wrote:My neighborhood was routed out of Wilson's boundary. I hope Hardy keeps enough OOB seats that my kid can get in there someday. Not sure what everyone's so afraid of--folks that have enough academic ambitions for their kids to enroll in the lottery and get kids over to Hardy each day are by and large going to be just fine. My kid has two parents (with three graduate degrees between them) at home, plenty of books and extracurriculars, and decent behavior. Just because we can't afford to live in upper NW doesn't mean your kid will be damaged by associating with us. Why should DCPS maintain a giant building for the 50 in-bounds kids attending Hardy? Be careful what you wish for--with fewer OOB kids, it would be easy for DCPS to decide the school is underenrolled, send the couple dozen IB kids to Francis-Stevens instead, and poof! You've got a Cardozo feed.

You're so rational, pp! My kid was a similar OOB student and it feels so odd to have some posters imply that a large OOB population is a threat to their children's education!

The reality, PPs, is that not all OOB kids are as prepared and have as much support at home as your kids.

I hate to tell you the same is true at Deal. There is a sizable cohort that have academic & social needs that are not perfectly delt with. Deal is not perfect & has a number of issues. However both Hardy & Deal have solid administrators that are capable of creating a place many percentiles of kids can learn.

This may be true but the general perception in upper NW is that Deal is a decent middle school while Hardy is not.

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Anonymous wrote:My neighborhood was routed out of Wilson's boundary. I hope Hardy keeps enough OOB seats that my kid can get in there someday. Not sure what everyone's so afraid of--folks that have enough academic ambitions for their kids to enroll in the lottery and get kids over to Hardy each day are by and large going to be just fine. My kid has two parents (with three graduate degrees between them) at home, plenty of books and extracurriculars, and decent behavior. Just because we can't afford to live in upper NW doesn't mean your kid will be damaged by associating with us. Why should DCPS maintain a giant building for the 50 in-bounds kids attending Hardy? Be careful what you wish for--with fewer OOB kids, it would be easy for DCPS to decide the school is underenrolled, send the couple dozen IB kids to Francis-Stevens instead, and poof! You've got a Cardozo feed.

You're so rational, pp! My kid was a similar OOB student and it feels so odd to have some posters imply that a large OOB population is a threat to their children's education!

The reality, PPs, is that not all OOB kids are as prepared and have as much support at home as your kids.

I hate to tell you the same is true at Deal. There is a sizable cohort that have academic & social needs that are not perfectly delt with. Deal is not perfect & has a number of issues. However both Hardy & Deal have solid administrators that are capable of creating a place many percentiles of kids can learn.

This may be true but the general perception in upper NW is that Deal is a decent middle school while Hardy is not.

No the general perception is that Hardy has too many brown kids while Deal does not (oh and uniforms).

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Anonymous wrote:My neighborhood was routed out of Wilson's boundary. I hope Hardy keeps enough OOB seats that my kid can get in there someday. Not sure what everyone's so afraid of--folks that have enough academic ambitions for their kids to enroll in the lottery and get kids over to Hardy each day are by and large going to be just fine. My kid has two parents (with three graduate degrees between them) at home, plenty of books and extracurriculars, and decent behavior. Just because we can't afford to live in upper NW doesn't mean your kid will be damaged by associating with us. Why should DCPS maintain a giant building for the 50 in-bounds kids attending Hardy? Be careful what you wish for--with fewer OOB kids, it would be easy for DCPS to decide the school is underenrolled, send the couple dozen IB kids to Francis-Stevens instead, and poof! You've got a Cardozo feed.

You're so rational, pp! My kid was a similar OOB student and it feels so odd to have some posters imply that a large OOB population is a threat to their children's education!

The reality, PPs, is that not all OOB kids are as prepared and have as much support at home as your kids.

I hate to tell you the same is true at Deal. There is a sizable cohort that have academic & social needs that are not perfectly delt with. Deal is not perfect & has a number of issues. However both Hardy & Deal have solid administrators that are capable of creating a place many percentiles of kids can learn.

This may be true but the general perception in upper NW is that Deal is a decent middle school while Hardy is not.

No the general perception is that Hardy has too many brown kids while Deal does not (oh and uniforms).

Deal has a very significant minority population, just like Hardy. Yet IB parents push to send their kids there.

If Hardy were smart they would get rid of the uniforms. Many see public school uniforms as emblematic of a troubled inner-city school.

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I thought Hardy did get rid of the uniforms? Another DCUM rumor?

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Anonymous wrote:My neighborhood was routed out of Wilson's boundary. I hope Hardy keeps enough OOB seats that my kid can get in there someday. Not sure what everyone's so afraid of--folks that have enough academic ambitions for their kids to enroll in the lottery and get kids over to Hardy each day are by and large going to be just fine. My kid has two parents (with three graduate degrees between them) at home, plenty of books and extracurriculars, and decent behavior. Just because we can't afford to live in upper NW doesn't mean your kid will be damaged by associating with us. Why should DCPS maintain a giant building for the 50 in-bounds kids attending Hardy? Be careful what you wish for--with fewer OOB kids, it would be easy for DCPS to decide the school is underenrolled, send the couple dozen IB kids to Francis-Stevens instead, and poof! You've got a Cardozo feed.

You're so rational, pp! My kid was a similar OOB student and it feels so odd to have some posters imply that a large OOB population is a threat to their children's education!

The reality, PPs, is that not all OOB kids are as prepared and have as much support at home as your kids.

I hate to tell you the same is true at Deal. There is a sizable cohort that have academic & social needs that are not perfectly delt with. Deal is not perfect & has a number of issues. However both Hardy & Deal have solid administrators that are capable of creating a place many percentiles of kids can learn.

This may be true but the general perception in upper NW is that Deal is a decent middle school while Hardy is not.

No the general perception is that Hardy has too many brown kids while Deal does not (oh and uniforms).

Deal has a very significant minority population, just like Hardy. Yet IB parents push to send their kids there.

If Hardy were smart they would get rid of the uniforms. Many see public school uniforms as emblematic of a troubled inner-city school.

Keep telling yourself that. Deal has 536 white students, Hardy has 40. It's not just the uniforms. White folks west and east of the park clamor to get into Latin.

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And guess what, Latin has a uniform: http://latinpcs.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Dress-Code-v2.pdf

You just want to find something wrong. It's an irrational obsession, one that's backed by science by the way: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases (check almost any under "Biases in probability and belief", e.g. try "clustering illusion" as a starter)

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Anonymous wrote:And guess what, Latin has a uniform: http://latinpcs.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Dress-Code-v2.pdf

You just want to find something wrong. It's an irrational obsession, one that's backed by science by the way: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases (check almost any under "Biases in probability and belief", e.g. try "clustering illusion" as a starter)

Immediate PP, yes I was saying Latin has uniforms and all these anti-Hardy posters try for Latin.