FCPS About to Propose Major Boundary Changes?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Any buzz about which areas they're looking at?

There is, but it's too depressing to think about. Glad my kid is graduating soon before FCPS guts yet another pyramid.

Care to share?
I have an 8th grader and we live on the very edge of a boundary with a much less desirable school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My principal said today there was some talk of moving some kids from Langley to McLean.

I think you mean from McLean to Langley. Langley is projected to be under enrolled and McLean is projected to be over enrolled. I am also guessing that Thoreau and Cooper will move from their current voluntary AAP classes to being AAP Centers for their pyramid to help the over crowding at Kilmer and the projected over crowding at Longfellow. I predict a two year phase in.

Just what this area needs, yet another AAP center.

[Anonymous]

Not sure about Thoreau, but Cooper should be an AAP center. There's really no reason Kilmer needs to be a split feeder to 3 high schools when it's so overcrowded and expected to get more crowded with new building in Tysons.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My principal said today there was some talk of moving some kids from Langley to McLean.

I think you mean from McLean to Langley. Langley is projected to be under enrolled and McLean is projected to be over enrolled. I am also guessing that Thoreau and Cooper will move from their current voluntary AAP classes to being AAP Centers for their pyramid to help the over crowding at Kilmer and the projected over crowding at Longfellow. I predict a two year phase in.

Just what this area needs, yet another AAP center.

If it's just kids who live within Cooper's base boundaries who would receive AAP services there, maybe there's no need to call it a "center," and you'll feel better.

I definitely would like to see FCPS deal with the overcrowding caused by the big AAP centers at Jackson, Kilmer and Longfellow before they start messing around with the base boundaries of the middle and high schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My principal said today there was some talk of moving some kids from Langley to McLean.

I think you mean from McLean to Langley. Langley is projected to be under enrolled and McLean is projected to be over enrolled. I am also guessing that Thoreau and Cooper will move from their current voluntary AAP classes to being AAP Centers for their pyramid to help the over crowding at Kilmer and the projected over crowding at Longfellow. I predict a two year phase in.

Just what this area needs, yet another AAP center.

If it's just kids who live within Cooper's base boundaries who would receive AAP services there, maybe there's no need to call it a "center," and you'll feel better.

I definitely would like to see FCPS deal with the overcrowding caused by the big AAP centers at Jackson, Kilmer and Longfellow before they start messing around with the base boundaries of the middle and high schools.

They are likely recommending both at the same time.

All of these are initial proposals and subject to discussion. From the BoardDocs item:

For today’s work session, the Facilities and Transportation Services staff compiled similar information to that previously listed to include the September 30th enrollment for this school year.

The purpose for today’s meeting is to further engage the School Board and to seek direction regarding the implementation of the CIP in the future.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My principal said today there was some talk of moving some kids from Langley to McLean.

I think you mean from McLean to Langley. Langley is projected to be under enrolled and McLean is projected to be over enrolled. I am also guessing that Thoreau and Cooper will move from their current voluntary AAP classes to being AAP Centers for their pyramid to help the over crowding at Kilmer and the projected over crowding at Longfellow. I predict a two year phase in.

Just what this area needs, yet another AAP center.

If it's just kids who live within Cooper's base boundaries who would receive AAP services there, maybe there's no need to call it a "center," and you'll feel better.

I definitely would like to see FCPS deal with the overcrowding caused by the big AAP centers at Jackson, Kilmer and Longfellow before they start messing around with the base boundaries of the middle and high schools.

They are likely recommending both at the same time.

All of these are initial proposals and subject to discussion. From the BoardDocs item:

For today’s work session, the Facilities and Transportation Services staff compiled similar information to that previously listed to include the September 30th enrollment for this school year.

The purpose for today’s meeting is to further engage the School Board and to seek direction regarding the implementation of the CIP in the future.

The thing is that I would be surprised if Facilities felt competent to make suggestions about the location of AAP programs. It seems to me that Facilities is more likely to make projections based on assumptions that AAP students will continue to attend the current centers, and then propose changes in base boundaries to relieve expected overcrowding at the schools that are centers.

The problem is that this puts the cart before the horse. If Kilmer and Longfellow are expected to be overcrowded in part because they have so many AAP kids from Cooper, the solution ought to be move the AAP kids back to Cooper, not change the base boundaries of Longfellow/McLean and Kilmer/Marshall just so FCPS can fill empty seats at Cooper.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My principal said today there was some talk of moving some kids from Langley to McLean.

I think you mean from McLean to Langley. Langley is projected to be under enrolled and McLean is projected to be over enrolled. I am also guessing that Thoreau and Cooper will move from their current voluntary AAP classes to being AAP Centers for their pyramid to help the over crowding at Kilmer and the projected over crowding at Longfellow. I predict a two year phase in.

Just what this area needs, yet another AAP center.

If it's just kids who live within Cooper's base boundaries who would receive AAP services there, maybe there's no need to call it a "center," and you'll feel better.

I definitely would like to see FCPS deal with the overcrowding caused by the big AAP centers at Jackson, Kilmer and Longfellow before they start messing around with the base boundaries of the middle and high schools.

They are likely recommending both at the same time.

All of these are initial proposals and subject to discussion. From the BoardDocs item:

For today’s work session, the Facilities and Transportation Services staff compiled similar information to that previously listed to include the September 30th enrollment for this school year.

The purpose for today’s meeting is to further engage the School Board and to seek direction regarding the implementation of the CIP in the future.

The thing is that I would be surprised if Facilities felt competent to make suggestions about the location of AAP programs. It seems to me that Facilities is more likely to make projections based on assumptions that AAP students will continue to attend the current centers, and then propose changes in base boundaries to relieve expected overcrowding at the schools that are centers.

The problem is that this puts the cart before the horse. If Kilmer and Longfellow are expected to be overcrowded in part because they have so many AAP kids from Cooper, the solution ought to be move the AAP kids back to Cooper, not change the base boundaries of Longfellow/McLean and Kilmer/Marshall just so FCPS can fill empty seats at Cooper.

Evidently Facilities felt competent enough to already offer "a number of potential solutions to solve both the current and projected capacity issues at specific schools" including "Programmatic changes to create or maintain Pyramid wide cohorts".

It sounds like Facilities is looking at all the magisterial districts combined in the Nov. 10 work session.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My principal said today there was some talk of moving some kids from Langley to McLean.

I think you mean from McLean to Langley. Langley is projected to be under enrolled and McLean is projected to be over enrolled. I am also guessing that Thoreau and Cooper will move from their current voluntary AAP classes to being AAP Centers for their pyramid to help the over crowding at Kilmer and the projected over crowding at Longfellow. I predict a two year phase in.

Just what this area needs, yet another AAP center.

If it's just kids who live within Cooper's base boundaries who would receive AAP services there, maybe there's no need to call it a "center," and you'll feel better.

I definitely would like to see FCPS deal with the overcrowding caused by the big AAP centers at Jackson, Kilmer and Longfellow before they start messing around with the base boundaries of the middle and high schools.

They are likely recommending both at the same time.

All of these are initial proposals and subject to discussion. From the BoardDocs item:

For today’s work session, the Facilities and Transportation Services staff compiled similar information to that previously listed to include the September 30th enrollment for this school year.

The purpose for today’s meeting is to further engage the School Board and to seek direction regarding the implementation of the CIP in the future.

The thing is that I would be surprised if Facilities felt competent to make suggestions about the location of AAP programs. It seems to me that Facilities is more likely to make projections based on assumptions that AAP students will continue to attend the current centers, and then propose changes in base boundaries to relieve expected overcrowding at the schools that are centers.

The problem is that this puts the cart before the horse. If Kilmer and Longfellow are expected to be overcrowded in part because they have so many AAP kids from Cooper, the solution ought to be move the AAP kids back to Cooper, not change the base boundaries of Longfellow/McLean and Kilmer/Marshall just so FCPS can fill empty seats at Cooper.

Evidently Facilities felt competent enough to already offer "a number of potential solutions to solve both the current and projected capacity issues at specific schools" including "Programmatic changes to create or maintain Pyramid wide cohorts".

It sounds like Facilities is looking at all the magisterial districts combined in the Nov. 10 work session.

Well, that's somewhat encouraging, as is the fact that they are updating the information to include actual enrollment figures as of the fall of 2014.

The actual enrollment figures underscore how unreliable some of their projections have been (for example, there are schools where the fall 2014 enrollments varied greatly from what FCPS was projecting in the spring of 2014). It ought to make the School Board members pause before taking actions based on out-year projections that are likely to be even more inaccurate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My principal said today there was some talk of moving some kids from Langley to McLean.

I think you mean from McLean to Langley. Langley is projected to be under enrolled and McLean is projected to be over enrolled. I am also guessing that Thoreau and Cooper will move from their current voluntary AAP classes to being AAP Centers for their pyramid to help the over crowding at Kilmer and the projected over crowding at Longfellow. I predict a two year phase in.

Just what this area needs, yet another AAP center.

If it's just kids who live within Cooper's base boundaries who would receive AAP services there, maybe there's no need to call it a "center," and you'll feel better.

I definitely would like to see FCPS deal with the overcrowding caused by the big AAP centers at Jackson, Kilmer and Longfellow before they start messing around with the base boundaries of the middle and high schools.

They are likely recommending both at the same time.

All of these are initial proposals and subject to discussion. From the BoardDocs item:

For today’s work session, the Facilities and Transportation Services staff compiled similar information to that previously listed to include the September 30th enrollment for this school year.

The purpose for today’s meeting is to further engage the School Board and to seek direction regarding the implementation of the CIP in the future.

The thing is that I would be surprised if Facilities felt competent to make suggestions about the location of AAP programs. It seems to me that Facilities is more likely to make projections based on assumptions that AAP students will continue to attend the current centers, and then propose changes in base boundaries to relieve expected overcrowding at the schools that are centers.

The problem is that this puts the cart before the horse. If Kilmer and Longfellow are expected to be overcrowded in part because they have so many AAP kids from Cooper, the solution ought to be move the AAP kids back to Cooper, not change the base boundaries of Longfellow/McLean and Kilmer/Marshall just so FCPS can fill empty seats at Cooper.

Evidently Facilities felt competent enough to already offer "a number of potential solutions to solve both the current and projected capacity issues at specific schools" including "Programmatic changes to create or maintain Pyramid wide cohorts".

It sounds like Facilities is looking at all the magisterial districts combined in the Nov. 10 work session.

Well, that's somewhat encouraging, as is the fact that they are updating the information to include actual enrollment figures as of the fall of 2014.

The actual enrollment figures underscore how unreliable some of their projections have been (for example, there are schools where the fall 2014 enrollments varied greatly from what FCPS was projecting in the spring of 2014). It ought to make the School Board members pause before taking actions based on out-year projections that are likely to be even more inaccurate.

ITA and I so hope you are correct.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My principal said today there was some talk of moving some kids from Langley to McLean.

I think you mean from McLean to Langley. Langley is projected to be under enrolled and McLean is projected to be over enrolled. I am also guessing that Thoreau and Cooper will move from their current voluntary AAP classes to being AAP Centers for their pyramid to help the over crowding at Kilmer and the projected over crowding at Longfellow. I predict a two year phase in.

Just what this area needs, yet another AAP center.

If it's just kids who live within Cooper's base boundaries who would receive AAP services there, maybe there's no need to call it a "center," and you'll feel better.

I definitely would like to see FCPS deal with the overcrowding caused by the big AAP centers at Jackson, Kilmer and Longfellow before they start messing around with the base boundaries of the middle and high schools.

They are likely recommending both at the same time.

All of these are initial proposals and subject to discussion. From the BoardDocs item:

For today’s work session, the Facilities and Transportation Services staff compiled similar information to that previously listed to include the September 30th enrollment for this school year.

The purpose for today’s meeting is to further engage the School Board and to seek direction regarding the implementation of the CIP in the future.

The thing is that I would be surprised if Facilities felt competent to make suggestions about the location of AAP programs. It seems to me that Facilities is more likely to make projections based on assumptions that AAP students will continue to attend the current centers, and then propose changes in base boundaries to relieve expected overcrowding at the schools that are centers.

The problem is that this puts the cart before the horse. If Kilmer and Longfellow are expected to be overcrowded in part because they have so many AAP kids from Cooper, the solution ought to be move the AAP kids back to Cooper, not change the base boundaries of Longfellow/McLean and Kilmer/Marshall just so FCPS can fill empty seats at Cooper.

Evidently Facilities felt competent enough to already offer "a number of potential solutions to solve both the current and projected capacity issues at specific schools" including "Programmatic changes to create or maintain Pyramid wide cohorts".

It sounds like Facilities is looking at all the magisterial districts combined in the Nov. 10 work session.

Well, that's somewhat encouraging, as is the fact that they are updating the information to include actual enrollment figures as of the fall of 2014.

The actual enrollment figures underscore how unreliable some of their projections have been (for example, there are schools where the fall 2014 enrollments varied greatly from what FCPS was projecting in the spring of 2014). It ought to make the School Board members pause before taking actions based on out-year projections that are likely to be even more inaccurate.

ITA and I so hope you are correct.

I don't believe they are updating their projections based on this year's data. They are using the CIP data from this past spring.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My principal said today there was some talk of moving some kids from Langley to McLean.

I think you mean from McLean to Langley. Langley is projected to be under enrolled and McLean is projected to be over enrolled. I am also guessing that Thoreau and Cooper will move from their current voluntary AAP classes to being AAP Centers for their pyramid to help the over crowding at Kilmer and the projected over crowding at Longfellow. I predict a two year phase in.

Just what this area needs, yet another AAP center.

If it's just kids who live within Cooper's base boundaries who would receive AAP services there, maybe there's no need to call it a "center," and you'll feel better.

I definitely would like to see FCPS deal with the overcrowding caused by the big AAP centers at Jackson, Kilmer and Longfellow before they start messing around with the base boundaries of the middle and high schools.

They are likely recommending both at the same time.

All of these are initial proposals and subject to discussion. From the BoardDocs item:

For today’s work session, the Facilities and Transportation Services staff compiled similar information to that previously listed to include the September 30th enrollment for this school year.

The purpose for today’s meeting is to further engage the School Board and to seek direction regarding the implementation of the CIP in the future.

The thing is that I would be surprised if Facilities felt competent to make suggestions about the location of AAP programs. It seems to me that Facilities is more likely to make projections based on assumptions that AAP students will continue to attend the current centers, and then propose changes in base boundaries to relieve expected overcrowding at the schools that are centers.

The problem is that this puts the cart before the horse. If Kilmer and Longfellow are expected to be overcrowded in part because they have so many AAP kids from Cooper, the solution ought to be move the AAP kids back to Cooper, not change the base boundaries of Longfellow/McLean and Kilmer/Marshall just so FCPS can fill empty seats at Cooper.

Evidently Facilities felt competent enough to already offer "a number of potential solutions to solve both the current and projected capacity issues at specific schools" including "Programmatic changes to create or maintain Pyramid wide cohorts".

It sounds like Facilities is looking at all the magisterial districts combined in the Nov. 10 work session.

Well, that's somewhat encouraging, as is the fact that they are updating the information to include actual enrollment figures as of the fall of 2014.

The actual enrollment figures underscore how unreliable some of their projections have been (for example, there are schools where the fall 2014 enrollments varied greatly from what FCPS was projecting in the spring of 2014). It ought to make the School Board members pause before taking actions based on out-year projections that are likely to be even more inaccurate.

ITA and I so hope you are correct.

I don't believe they are updating their projections based on this year's data. They are using the CIP data from this past spring.

But Facilities has already provided Fall 2014 projections. Seeing a comparison between what they said in the spring vs. the September 30 enrollment figures should be illuminating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My principal said today there was some talk of moving some kids from Langley to McLean.

I think you mean from McLean to Langley. Langley is projected to be under enrolled and McLean is projected to be over enrolled. I am also guessing that Thoreau and Cooper will move from their current voluntary AAP classes to being AAP Centers for their pyramid to help the over crowding at Kilmer and the projected over crowding at Longfellow. I predict a two year phase in.

Just what this area needs, yet another AAP center.

If it's just kids who live within Cooper's base boundaries who would receive AAP services there, maybe there's no need to call it a "center," and you'll feel better.

I definitely would like to see FCPS deal with the overcrowding caused by the big AAP centers at Jackson, Kilmer and Longfellow before they start messing around with the base boundaries of the middle and high schools.

They are likely recommending both at the same time.

All of these are initial proposals and subject to discussion. From the BoardDocs item:

For today’s work session, the Facilities and Transportation Services staff compiled similar information to that previously listed to include the September 30th enrollment for this school year.

The purpose for today’s meeting is to further engage the School Board and to seek direction regarding the implementation of the CIP in the future.

The thing is that I would be surprised if Facilities felt competent to make suggestions about the location of AAP programs. It seems to me that Facilities is more likely to make projections based on assumptions that AAP students will continue to attend the current centers, and then propose changes in base boundaries to relieve expected overcrowding at the schools that are centers.

The problem is that this puts the cart before the horse. If Kilmer and Longfellow are expected to be overcrowded in part because they have so many AAP kids from Cooper, the solution ought to be move the AAP kids back to Cooper, not change the base boundaries of Longfellow/McLean and Kilmer/Marshall just so FCPS can fill empty seats at Cooper.

Evidently Facilities felt competent enough to already offer "a number of potential solutions to solve both the current and projected capacity issues at specific schools" including "Programmatic changes to create or maintain Pyramid wide cohorts".

It sounds like Facilities is looking at all the magisterial districts combined in the Nov. 10 work session.

Well, that's somewhat encouraging, as is the fact that they are updating the information to include actual enrollment figures as of the fall of 2014.

The actual enrollment figures underscore how unreliable some of their projections have been (for example, there are schools where the fall 2014 enrollments varied greatly from what FCPS was projecting in the spring of 2014). It ought to make the School Board members pause before taking actions based on out-year projections that are likely to be even more inaccurate.

Can you provide some specific examples?

[Anonymous]

Look at the CIP and read each Cluster section. There is a table outlining the current capacity, current 2013 enrollment, and the Accuracy of the 1 year projection for 2013.

http://www.fcps.edu/fts/planning/cip/cipbook2015-19.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Look at the CIP and read each Cluster section. There is a table outlining the current capacity, current 2013 enrollment, and the Accuracy of the 1 year projection for 2013.

http://www.fcps.edu/fts/planning/cip/cipbook2015-19.pdf

This is too confusing to me. Can you break it down? What page is the table outlining the current capacity, current 2013 enrollment and the accuracy of the one year projection. We don't have clusters any more, we have regions. I don't know which schools were in which cluster.

[Anonymous]

As I understand it, the kids from said regions will attend centers in their specific region. I thibk this makes more sense and will avoid the split feeder issues as regions are high school specific.


Region 1 Middle School AAP Centers
Carson
Hughes

Region 2 Middle School AAP Centers
Jackon
Kilmer
Longfellow
Glasgow

Region 3 Middle School AAP Centers
Sandburg
Twain

Region 4 Middle School AAP Centers
Lake Braddock
South County

Region 5 Middle School AAP Centers
Rocky Run
Frost