what do you think will happen with 2.0 in 2-3 years?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you are thinking about sending your child to MCPS, please don't base your decision on the stuff you read on DCUM! A lot of the complaining about Curriculum 2.0 is just complaining by complainers. If they didn't have Curriculum 2.0 to complain about, they would complain about something else. You should talk to real actual people in real actual life who send their children to the real actual schools in the neighborhoods you're considering.

Best advice you'll get today.

I second this motion!

[Anonymous]

I wouldn't expect changes in 2 years. Can you afford private school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't expect changes in 2 years. Can you afford private school?

Although I understand your comment, I really can't stand this type of reasoning. One should be able to expect exceptional public schools. Period. That proposition should be entirely separate from private schools.

Take DC as a cautionary tale. I have long believed that the fact that there were so many good private schools (and, well, so many good local suburban schools that folks could move to), meant that there wasn't enough focus on fixing the problem with the public schools. Let's not let that happen to MCPS. Let's instead keep the pressure on in order to make MCPS the best it can be. Let's not go down that futile road of "if you don't like it, send your kid to private school."

[Anonymous]

Although I understand your comment, I really can't stand this type of reasoning. One should be able to expect exceptional public schools. Period. That proposition should be entirely separate from private schools.

Take DC as a cautionary tale. I have long believed that the fact that there were so many good private schools (and, well, so many good local suburban schools that folks could move to), meant that there wasn't enough focus on fixing the problem with the public schools. Let's not let that happen to MCPS. Let's instead keep the pressure on in order to make MCPS the best it can be. Let's not go down that futile road of "if you don't like it, send your kid to private school."

While I agree with this from a public good standpoint, the reality is do you want your child to receive an inferior education while you pursue the greater good?

Parents have very little influence over MCPS. The majority of voters don't have kids in MCPS so they only know something is very wrong when the test scores plummet. This will happen because the scores will drop. You'll see demographic changes similar to DC where the educated parents who seek good schools don't move to MCPS taking away the kids that produce high scores regardless of a poor educational system. The international community with advanced degrees is already starting to relocate to VA or choosing not to move to MCPS. MCPS relations with the Asian community that produces top scores is pretty poor and they don't seem to realize that they drive up the scores.

[Anonymous]

While I agree with this from a public good standpoint, the reality is do you want your child to receive an inferior education while you pursue the greater good?

Parents have very little influence over MCPS. The majority of voters don't have kids in MCPS so they only know something is very wrong when the test scores plummet. This will happen because the scores will drop. You'll see demographic changes similar to DC where the educated parents who seek good schools don't move to MCPS taking away the kids that produce high scores regardless of a poor educational system. The international community with advanced degrees is already starting to relocate to VA or choosing not to move to MCPS. MCPS relations with the Asian community that produces top scores is pretty poor and they don't seem to realize that they drive up the scores.

..."the Asian community"?

And I really wonder how you can be so certain that scores will drop. My crystal ball doesn't work that well.

[Anonymous]

Math scores will be a disaster. PARCC isn't going to ask the kids to draw circles to add 2+2. Its a harder rather than easier tests and the kids will not be prepared. The kids are not being taught math fluency. Middle school Algebra is a mess. The teachers don't even know what is going on. These kids will not do well on a national exam.

[Anonymous]

And I really wonder how you can be so certain that scores will drop. My crystal ball doesn't work that well.

Try looking at your data for once. You know which demographics score high regardless of teacher performance. They leave, you lose your score boosters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Math scores will be a disaster. PARCC isn't going to ask the kids to draw circles to add 2+2. Its a harder rather than easier tests and the kids will not be prepared. The kids are not being taught math fluency. Middle school Algebra is a mess. The teachers don't even know what is going on. These kids will not do well on a national exam.

Interesting you say this because I also think PARCC is harder and trickier. But they prepare the kids in completely the wrong way, at least it seems to me. Drawing circles and explain in words without ever achieve automaticity will only get you so far.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

And I really wonder how you can be so certain that scores will drop. My crystal ball doesn't work that well.

Try looking at your data for once. You know which demographics score high regardless of teacher performance. They leave, you lose your score boosters.

From what I see, most of the chinese people I know who works in DC choose to live in Virginia. I am not sure school is the only reason. But it has to be part of the reason. MCPS does seem to be more politically correct than fairfax, for example.

[Anonymous]

Middle school Algebra is a mess. The teachers don't even know what is going on. These kids will not do well on a national exam.

How do you know this? If you actually have a child in algebra, maybe they don't have a good teacher? Maybe your school is not providing good support? How do you know they will not do well on an exam that has never been taken?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: Middle school Algebra is a mess. The teachers don't even know what is going on. These kids will not do well on a national exam.

How do you know this? If you actually have a child in algebra, maybe they don't have a good teacher? Maybe your school is not providing good support? How do you know they will not do well on an exam that has never been taken?

Not PP. But I know math. I know what a good math course looks like having taken and taught them. At some point, a good teacher can no longer compensate a bad curriculum. A good curriculum with good textbook, however, can compensate bad teaching to a large degree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

And I really wonder how you can be so certain that scores will drop. My crystal ball doesn't work that well.

Try looking at your data for once. You know which demographics score high regardless of teacher performance. They leave, you lose your score boosters.

If you have data showing that people of South Asian and East Asian heritage are

1. leaving MCPS
2. moving elsewhere instead of Montgomery County because of MCPS

I'd love to see them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: How do you know this? If you actually have a child in algebra, maybe they don't have a good teacher? Maybe your school is not providing good support? How do you know they will not do well on an exam that has never been taken?

Yes, I'm also amazed by how all of these PPs know how students in MCPS will score next year on a test that is just now being field-tested.

[Anonymous]

From what I see, most of the chinese people I know who works in DC choose to live in Virginia. I am not sure school is the only reason. But it has to be part of the reason. MCPS does seem to be more politically correct than fairfax, for example.

I see the same thing but the Chinese used to move Montgomery County not VA. When MCPS ended math acceleration and introduced 2.0, our Chinese friends and co-workers started moving to VA instead. I know several people that had always planned on moving to Montgomery County change their minds. They're smart. They won't waste time arguing with MCPS. They'll just move to get a better education.

[Anonymous]

If you believe the VA boards that would not necessarily be the case..