Downtown Abbey season 4 premiere -- possible spoilers!

[Anonymous]

Mary is such a bitch. Even when she should be happy, she is still a bitch. Gets it from her mom.

Barrows did luck out that the nanny proved to be so bad. I wonder if he and the flirty maid are going to get some blackmail material on Tom.

I wonder if Anna going out dancing with the cousin? is going to come back and bite her.

[Anonymous]

Loved Edith's new outfits, glad they are making her less the ugly duckling sister.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm annoyed by how easily Lord and Lady Grantham believed that Anna was f'ing with the new lady's maid. You would think that after her many years with them, they would be familiar enough with her character to know that it is something that she wouldn't do. They are so naive and snobby.

For the sake of plot lines presumably. You know they are characters right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm annoyed by how easily Lord and Lady Grantham believed that Anna was f'ing with the new lady's maid. You would think that after her many years with them, they would be familiar enough with her character to know that it is something that she wouldn't do. They are so naive and snobby.

For the sake of plot lines presumably. You know they are characters right?

Wait, they are?!? Wut?!!! Characters need to be consistent for the show to work and not be your average crap tv.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm annoyed by how easily Lord and Lady Grantham believed that Anna was f'ing with the new lady's maid. You would think that after her many years with them, they would be familiar enough with her character to know that it is something that she wouldn't do. They are so naive and snobby.

I know. It's like she takes stupid pills every other day.

Cora is totally gullible, hiring Edna that quickly bring another example.

Totally cried when Mary cried. Moving scene with her and Carson. Michelle Dockery is such a good actress.

Loving Edith's outfits!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm annoyed by how easily Lord and Lady Grantham believed that Anna was f'ing with the new lady's maid. You would think that after her many years with them, they would be familiar enough with her character to know that it is something that she wouldn't do. They are so naive and snobby.

I know. It's like she takes stupid pills every other day.

Cora is totally gullible, hiring Edna that quickly bring another example.

Totally cried when Mary cried. Moving scene with her and Carson. Michelle Dockery is such a good actress.

Loving Edith's outfits!

Oh me too. We all needed a little cry, didn't we? Producers screwed us out of that in the season finale.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm annoyed by how easily Lord and Lady Grantham believed that Anna was f'ing with the new lady's maid. You would think that after her many years with them, they would be familiar enough with her character to know that it is something that she wouldn't do. They are so naive and snobby.

For the sake of plot lines presumably. You know they are characters right?

So it would be cool if Daisy came out as a man to spice up the plot lines? She's just a character, what's the difference if it doesn't seem realistic?

[Anonymous]

What is interesting is that Michelle D comes from a very working class background but she is able to pull off an appearance of being upper crust.

Great acting plus she lost her working class accent over the years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm annoyed by how easily Lord and Lady Grantham believed that Anna was f'ing with the new lady's maid. You would think that after her many years with them, they would be familiar enough with her character to know that it is something that she wouldn't do. They are so naive and snobby.

For the sake of plot lines presumably. You know they are characters right?

Wait, they are?!? Wut?!!! Characters need to be consistent for the show to work and not be your average crap tv.

Although Cora has pretty much ALWAYS believed anything Thomas or O'Brien told her, so at least she's been consistently dumb. What would be totally out of whack and non-beleivable is if Mary or Edith turned on Anna, for instance.

[Anonymous]

I HATE lady granthum. Her character is pointless with no depth and her acting blah. She looks and acts like she has a buzz going all the time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm annoyed by how easily Lord and Lady Grantham believed that Anna was f'ing with the new lady's maid. You would think that after her many years with them, they would be familiar enough with her character to know that it is something that she wouldn't do. They are so naive and snobby.

For the sake of plot lines presumably. You know they are characters right?

So it would be cool if Daisy came out as a man to spice up the plot lines? She's just a character, what's the difference if it doesn't seem realistic?

I think it was more the "they are so naïve and snobby" line. Well yes, that is who they and their fellow Lords and Ladies are. And obviously the new lady's maid was brought in to spice things up.

[Anonymous]

I stopped watching about 15 minutes in. I think the show should have stopped running a season or two ago.

First of all, I just couldn't get into, "OMG, Lady Grantham will have no one to dress her, the horror!!!" But whatever, perhaps that was a crisis in 1920's upper class England.

But beyond that, there simply would not have been the interaction or personal relationships between the help and the nobility in that time period in England.

And for PPs who will say "but those people worked in their homes for X years, of course, they got to know them," you don't know anything about British upper class culture then or now.

So, as a period piece, it fails on so many levels.

There's very little character development. I mean, most of the characters are pretty much the same with the same problems as they were first season. Even the estate has the same problem: Who will run it? It's like there's no real story arc, just kind of an eternal return to the same themes.

I don't know if I'll continue with it. I think it should have been just a 1 or 2 season show.

Flame away!

[Anonymous]

The review of the episode from The Post is pretty funny! including some of the Tweets from last night. He goes through each character. My favorite is the bit about Edith.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/style-blog/wp/2014/01/05/downton-abbey-recap-season-4-begins-and-its-a-bummer/?tid=hpModule_d39b60e8-8691-11e2-9d71-f0feafdd1394

[Anonymous]

I've already seen the season and trust me it gets better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I stopped watching about 15 minutes in. I think the show should have stopped running a season or two ago.

First of all, I just couldn't get into, "OMG, Lady Grantham will have no one to dress her, the horror!!!" But whatever, perhaps that was a crisis in 1920's upper class England.

But beyond that, there simply would not have been the interaction or personal relationships between the help and the nobility in that time period in England.

And for PPs who will say "but those people worked in their homes for X years, of course, they got to know them," you don't know anything about British upper class culture then or now.

So, as a period piece, it fails on so many levels.

There's very little character development. I mean, most of the characters are pretty much the same with the same problems as they were first season. Even the estate has the same problem: Who will run it? It's like there's no real story arc, just kind of an eternal return to the same themes.

I don't know if I'll continue with it. I think it should have been just a 1 or 2 season show.

Flame away!

You know, I think it was originally intended to run one season. It was so successful that the network asked for more.