What do you think of Joyce Meyer and other super-wealthy ministers?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't trust them. I've had arguments with my mother about this because she really likes Joyce.

I like Joyce as well.
She has numerous outreach ministries.
Her book "Battlefield of the Mind" is a book I reach for time and again.
I have read and watched her plenty and NEVER heard her say anything approaching what is termed the prosperity gospel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For any religious person with wealth, when people meet you, they are wondering why you haven't given your money away to the needy. They may not say it out loud, and they may not even know that they are thinking this consciously, but they are thinking it. This is one of the reasons Mitt Romney lost. People just didn't trust him, and they couldn't quite put their fingers on why they didn't. The wealth is the reason.

Jesus wasn't wealthy, and he did call upon people to be broke. He asked the disciples to give up their livelihoods. He cast the money changers out of the temple. A lot of people on the religious right might argue that giving money away encourages dependency,but there are plenty of organizations that just invest in businesses started by the poor, or give people in developing countries a one time benefit of a productive asset, like a cow or an irrigation pump.

Creating wealth is for the building of the kingdom -- that does not mean giving everything away so that you are broke.
Do you really think Jesus is coming back for a broke and busted Church?
Do you realize that there is a difference between what happened what we are called to do before and after Jesus went to the Cross?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For any religious person with wealth, when people meet you, they are wondering why you haven't given your money away to the needy. They may not say it out loud, and they may not even know that they are thinking this consciously, but they are thinking it. This is one of the reasons Mitt Romney lost. People just didn't trust him, and they couldn't quite put their fingers on why they didn't. The wealth is the reason.

Jesus wasn't wealthy, and he did call upon people to be broke. He asked the disciples to give up their livelihoods. He cast the money changers out of the temple. A lot of people on the religious right might argue that giving money away encourages dependency,but there are plenty of organizations that just invest in businesses started by the poor, or give people in developing countries a one time benefit of a productive asset, like a cow or an irrigation pump.

Creating wealth is for the building of the kingdom -- that does not mean giving everything away so that you are broke.
Do you really think Jesus is coming back for a broke and busted Church?
Do you realize that there is a difference between what happened what we are called to do before and after Jesus went to the Cross?

There's a big difference between giving everything away until you're broke, and having a personal net worth of multi-millions of dollars.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For any religious person with wealth, when people meet you, they are wondering why you haven't given your money away to the needy. They may not say it out loud, and they may not even know that they are thinking this consciously, but they are thinking it. This is one of the reasons Mitt Romney lost. People just didn't trust him, and they couldn't quite put their fingers on why they didn't. The wealth is the reason.

Jesus wasn't wealthy, and he did call upon people to be broke. He asked the disciples to give up their livelihoods. He cast the money changers out of the temple. A lot of people on the religious right might argue that giving money away encourages dependency,but there are plenty of organizations that just invest in businesses started by the poor, or give people in developing countries a one time benefit of a productive asset, like a cow or an irrigation pump.

Creating wealth is for the building of the kingdom -- that does not mean giving everything away so that you are broke.
Do you really think Jesus is coming back for a broke and busted Church?
Do you realize that there is a difference between what happened what we are called to do before and after Jesus went to the Cross?

There's a big difference between giving everything away until you're broke, and having a personal net worth of multi-millions of dollars.

So so you think that every wealthy person is anti-God and that every wealthy minister is a crook?
I think there are a lot of crooked pastors who deceive and "steal" money from there followers.
I also think there are those who are not crooked, but make a lot of money from writing books, making dvds, etc.
You have to be able to discern one from the other, but I think that it is a mistake, and frankly not scriptural to think that a pastor, preacher, etc. cannot accumulate wealth legitimately.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For any religious person with wealth, when people meet you, they are wondering why you haven't given your money away to the needy. They may not say it out loud, and they may not even know that they are thinking this consciously, but they are thinking it. This is one of the reasons Mitt Romney lost. People just didn't trust him, and they couldn't quite put their fingers on why they didn't. The wealth is the reason.

Jesus wasn't wealthy, and he did call upon people to be broke. He asked the disciples to give up their livelihoods. He cast the money changers out of the temple. A lot of people on the religious right might argue that giving money away encourages dependency,but there are plenty of organizations that just invest in businesses started by the poor, or give people in developing countries a one time benefit of a productive asset, like a cow or an irrigation pump.

Creating wealth is for the building of the kingdom -- that does not mean giving everything away so that you are broke.
Do you really think Jesus is coming back for a broke and busted Church?
Do you realize that there is a difference between what happened what we are called to do before and after Jesus went to the Cross?

*shudder*

You are preaching false doctrine. Jesus preached the widow's mite. Jesus preached that it is easier for a camel to go through an eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter heaven. Jesus preached the beatitudes.

You don't have to ruin yourself, but you have to give more than that which you deem your surplus to the poor.

[Anonymous]

Joyce Meyer and her ministry is a Jesus racket. Those people are scumbags. A few years ago, her head of security murdered his wife and children so that he could marry his mistress without divorcing. He was making a lot of money working for Ms. Meyer and he wanted to keep his job and his mistress.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/coleman-guilty-of-killing-family-jury-says/article_4cd5b034-7713-11e0-822e-001a4bcf6878.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Joyce Meyer and her ministry is a Jesus racket. Those people are scumbags. A few years ago, her head of security murdered his wife and children so that he could marry his mistress without divorcing. He was making a lot of money working for Ms. Meyer and he wanted to keep his job and his mistress.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/coleman-guilty-of-killing-family-jury-says/article_4cd5b034-7713-11e0-822e-001a4bcf6878.html

Did Joyce kill the woman ?
How is someone's employer responsible for what the employee did?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For any religious person with wealth, when people meet you, they are wondering why you haven't given your money away to the needy. They may not say it out loud, and they may not even know that they are thinking this consciously, but they are thinking it. This is one of the reasons Mitt Romney lost. People just didn't trust him, and they couldn't quite put their fingers on why they didn't. The wealth is the reason.

Jesus wasn't wealthy, and he did call upon people to be broke. He asked the disciples to give up their livelihoods. He cast the money changers out of the temple. A lot of people on the religious right might argue that giving money away encourages dependency,but there are plenty of organizations that just invest in businesses started by the poor, or give people in developing countries a one time benefit of a productive asset, like a cow or an irrigation pump.

Creating wealth is for the building of the kingdom -- that does not mean giving everything away so that you are broke.
Do you really think Jesus is coming back for a broke and busted Church?
Do you realize that there is a difference between what happened what we are called to do before and after Jesus went to the Cross?

*shudder*

You are preaching false doctrine. Jesus preached the widow's mite. Jesus preached that it is easier for a camel to go through an eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter heaven. Jesus preached the beatitudes.

You don't have to ruin yourself, but you have to give more than that which you deem your surplus to the poor.

First of all I am not preaching. Second of all it just amazes me that people actually misinterpret the scriptures in such a way to make it sinful to be rich.
Rich people can be sinful, it is not a given

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it is wrong to have a private jet and make millions as a minister. However, I have nothing against a businesswoman/man or actor living the same lifestyle.

You may want to checkout Rick Ross Cult Institute Information. http://www.culteducation.com Read some of the articles and forums about destructive cults, false Christian teachings, etc. There is a lot of information about Joyce Meyers and other prosperity preachers. Basically, these people are stealing money from naive sheep and living high on the hog. These types of people exploit Christianity and abuse the name of God to control others. They manipulate people into financing their luxurious lifestyle. Prosperity base churches are in abundance in the midwest and southern states. I find the Joyce Meyers Creflo Dollars, Eddie Longs , and all the folks associated with TBN (Trinity Broadcasting Network) to be money hungry parasites.

I work secretly with dismantling cults and repairing families. I'm telling you dealing with the prosperity folks are just as horrific as dealing with the Jim Joneses of the world. Actually, many of these "preachers" out here today are narcissitic socio-paths. However, they have an army of followers who they have manipulated by getting them to think that they are men/women of God. It's crazy!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For any religious person with wealth, when people meet you, they are wondering why you haven't given your money away to the needy. They may not say it out loud, and they may not even know that they are thinking this consciously, but they are thinking it. This is one of the reasons Mitt Romney lost. People just didn't trust him, and they couldn't quite put their fingers on why they didn't. The wealth is the reason.

Jesus wasn't wealthy, and he did call upon people to be broke. He asked the disciples to give up their livelihoods. He cast the money changers out of the temple. A lot of people on the religious right might argue that giving money away encourages dependency,but there are plenty of organizations that just invest in businesses started by the poor, or give people in developing countries a one time benefit of a productive asset, like a cow or an irrigation pump.

Creating wealth is for the building of the kingdom -- that does not mean giving everything away so that you are broke.
Do you really think Jesus is coming back for a broke and busted Church?
Do you realize that there is a difference between what happened what we are called to do before and after Jesus went to the Cross?

There's a big difference between giving everything away until you're broke, and having a personal net worth of multi-millions of dollars.

So so you think that every wealthy person is anti-God and that every wealthy minister is a crook?
I think there are a lot of crooked pastors who deceive and "steal" money from there followers.
I also think there are those who are not crooked, but make a lot of money from writing books, making dvds, etc.
You have to be able to discern one from the other, but I think that it is a mistake, and frankly not scriptural to think that a pastor, preacher, etc. cannot accumulate wealth legitimately.

I think they have a lot of cognitive dissonance going on, for certain.

I don't think wealthy "religious" people are anti-god - as an atheist who isn't obsessed with accumulating as much wealth as I can, I don't believe that belief in god correlated to wealth whatsoever.

But I do think that people who praise an ascetic, humble man while trying to accumulate millions for their personal gain, tell themselves a lot of crazy stories to justify their habits. It certainly doesn't make religious sense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For any religious person with wealth, when people meet you, they are wondering why you haven't given your money away to the needy. They may not say it out loud, and they may not even know that they are thinking this consciously, but they are thinking it. This is one of the reasons Mitt Romney lost. People just didn't trust him, and they couldn't quite put their fingers on why they didn't. The wealth is the reason.

Jesus wasn't wealthy, and he did call upon people to be broke. He asked the disciples to give up their livelihoods. He cast the money changers out of the temple. A lot of people on the religious right might argue that giving money away encourages dependency,but there are plenty of organizations that just invest in businesses started by the poor, or give people in developing countries a one time benefit of a productive asset, like a cow or an irrigation pump.

Creating wealth is for the building of the kingdom -- that does not mean giving everything away so that you are broke.
Do you really think Jesus is coming back for a broke and busted Church?
Do you realize that there is a difference between what happened what we are called to do before and after Jesus went to the Cross?

There's a big difference between giving everything away until you're broke, and having a personal net worth of multi-millions of dollars.

So so you think that every wealthy person is anti-God and that every wealthy minister is a crook?
I think there are a lot of crooked pastors who deceive and "steal" money from there followers.
I also think there are those who are not crooked, but make a lot of money from writing books, making dvds, etc.
You have to be able to discern one from the other, but I think that it is a mistake, and frankly not scriptural to think that a pastor, preacher, etc. cannot accumulate wealth legitimately.

I think they have a lot of cognitive dissonance going on, for certain.

I don't think wealthy "religious" people are anti-god - as an atheist who isn't obsessed with accumulating as much wealth as I can, I don't believe that belief in god correlated to wealth whatsoever.

But I do think that people who praise an ascetic, humble man while trying to accumulate millions for their personal gain, tell themselves a lot of crazy stories to justify their habits. It certainly doesn't make religious sense.

Not being funny, but if you are an atheist, how can you speak about what is scriptural or spiritual?
Bottom line is that you don't believe any of it anyway so your understanding and interpretation is limited at best.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For any religious person with wealth, when people meet you, they are wondering why you haven't given your money away to the needy. They may not say it out loud, and they may not even know that they are thinking this consciously, but they are thinking it. This is one of the reasons Mitt Romney lost. People just didn't trust him, and they couldn't quite put their fingers on why they didn't. The wealth is the reason.

Jesus wasn't wealthy, and he did call upon people to be broke. He asked the disciples to give up their livelihoods. He cast the money changers out of the temple. A lot of people on the religious right might argue that giving money away encourages dependency,but there are plenty of organizations that just invest in businesses started by the poor, or give people in developing countries a one time benefit of a productive asset, like a cow or an irrigation pump.

Creating wealth is for the building of the kingdom -- that does not mean giving everything away so that you are broke.
Do you really think Jesus is coming back for a broke and busted Church?
Do you realize that there is a difference between what happened what we are called to do before and after Jesus went to the Cross?

There's a big difference between giving everything away until you're broke, and having a personal net worth of multi-millions of dollars.

So so you think that every wealthy person is anti-God and that every wealthy minister is a crook?
I think there are a lot of crooked pastors who deceive and "steal" money from there followers.
I also think there are those who are not crooked, but make a lot of money from writing books, making dvds, etc.
You have to be able to discern one from the other, but I think that it is a mistake, and frankly not scriptural to think that a pastor, preacher, etc. cannot accumulate wealth legitimately.

I think they have a lot of cognitive dissonance going on, for certain.

I don't think wealthy "religious" people are anti-god - as an atheist who isn't obsessed with accumulating as much wealth as I can, I don't believe that belief in god correlated to wealth whatsoever.

But I do think that people who praise an ascetic, humble man while trying to accumulate millions for their personal gain, tell themselves a lot of crazy stories to justify their habits. It certainly doesn't make religious sense.

Not being funny, but if you are an atheist, how can you speak about what is scriptural or spiritual?
Bottom line is that you don't believe any of it anyway so your understanding and interpretation is limited at best.

Because though I'm an atheist, I come from a religious family and have multiple degrees in religious studies. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that most people informed about religion and scripture, are arreligious, and many people don't even know or follow their own faith (hence the abundance of prosperity preachers).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For any religious person with wealth, when people meet you, they are wondering why you haven't given your money away to the needy. They may not say it out loud, and they may not even know that they are thinking this consciously, but they are thinking it. This is one of the reasons Mitt Romney lost. People just didn't trust him, and they couldn't quite put their fingers on why they didn't. The wealth is the reason.

Jesus wasn't wealthy, and he did call upon people to be broke. He asked the disciples to give up their livelihoods. He cast the money changers out of the temple. A lot of people on the religious right might argue that giving money away encourages dependency,but there are plenty of organizations that just invest in businesses started by the poor, or give people in developing countries a one time benefit of a productive asset, like a cow or an irrigation pump.

Creating wealth is for the building of the kingdom -- that does not mean giving everything away so that you are broke.
Do you really think Jesus is coming back for a broke and busted Church?
Do you realize that there is a difference between what happened what we are called to do before and after Jesus went to the Cross?

There's a big difference between giving everything away until you're broke, and having a personal net worth of multi-millions of dollars.

So so you think that every wealthy person is anti-God and that every wealthy minister is a crook?
I think there are a lot of crooked pastors who deceive and "steal" money from there followers.
I also think there are those who are not crooked, but make a lot of money from writing books, making dvds, etc.
You have to be able to discern one from the other, but I think that it is a mistake, and frankly not scriptural to think that a pastor, preacher, etc. cannot accumulate wealth legitimately.

Not anti-God nor "a crook". But *objectively* non-Christian. You cannot be wealthy and be a Christian. Jesus was explicit on this point over and over again. To convince oneself otherwise is a sin, and a diabolical delusion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For any religious person with wealth, when people meet you, they are wondering why you haven't given your money away to the needy. They may not say it out loud, and they may not even know that they are thinking this consciously, but they are thinking it. This is one of the reasons Mitt Romney lost. People just didn't trust him, and they couldn't quite put their fingers on why they didn't. The wealth is the reason.

Jesus wasn't wealthy, and he did call upon people to be broke. He asked the disciples to give up their livelihoods. He cast the money changers out of the temple. A lot of people on the religious right might argue that giving money away encourages dependency,but there are plenty of organizations that just invest in businesses started by the poor, or give people in developing countries a one time benefit of a productive asset, like a cow or an irrigation pump.

Creating wealth is for the building of the kingdom -- that does not mean giving everything away so that you are broke.
Do you really think Jesus is coming back for a broke and busted Church?
Do you realize that there is a difference between what happened what we are called to do before and after Jesus went to the Cross?

There's a big difference between giving everything away until you're broke, and having a personal net worth of multi-millions of dollars.

So so you think that every wealthy person is anti-God and that every wealthy minister is a crook?
I think there are a lot of crooked pastors who deceive and "steal" money from there followers.
I also think there are those who are not crooked, but make a lot of money from writing books, making dvds, etc.
You have to be able to discern one from the other, but I think that it is a mistake, and frankly not scriptural to think that a pastor, preacher, etc. cannot accumulate wealth legitimately.

I think they have a lot of cognitive dissonance going on, for certain.

I don't think wealthy "religious" people are anti-god - as an atheist who isn't obsessed with accumulating as much wealth as I can, I don't believe that belief in god correlated to wealth whatsoever.

But I do think that people who praise an ascetic, humble man while trying to accumulate millions for their personal gain, tell themselves a lot of crazy stories to justify their habits. It certainly doesn't make religious sense.

It makes sense when you consider that Satan is "the Deceiver", and Scripture tells us that in the end times, many will falsely worship the anti-Christ.

[Anonymous]

Anyone who accepts Jesus Christ as his savior is a Christian. Everyone sins. Including (especially) the wealthy.