Gay girl rant, let me tell you my agenda.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another conservative here--the anti gay agenda is mainly religious and sorry to say..lots of Dems are religious and anti gay--look at the state of California. Look at the African American community..lots of dems there and this community is notorious for not being accepting who aren't straight (this is where the terms on the down low came from) As a true conservative I think everyone minds their own business and as little of government infringing on that as possible. I also think the world is changing. It used to be your only exposure to gay lifestyle was on cable (sex shows and I mean the hard core stuff not "L word" and coverage of the "gay pride" parade and sorry guys in leather with long mustache it was hard to take that seriously. Now more gay people are out and just living their lives and surprise most people are completely fine with that. My aunt came out and she said she wished she did it sooner as no one in the family had any negative thought on it. The worry was actually in her own mind. She is a lot happier living openly.

I am black and I take GREAT offense to this position. How many black people do you know who are "anti-gay"? Being on the "down low" has nothing to do with being homophobic, but rather the inability for the man to accept his sexuality (this happens across all races). Please stop perpetuating the "blacks don't like gay people" crap.

The down-low phenomenon refers to the propensity of the gay African American male to take a wife and girlfriends either as a product of bisexuality or of an attempt to hide his sexuality from society. While this certainly transcends racial lines, the "down low" in this case does refer to the African American male, and it is seen as a function of the relative disapproval of gay and lesbian lifestyles in black culture. This is a known issue, and the vernacular originated in African American parlance, and while it may now be used outside of those racial boundaries, it has roots there and that's what, generally speaking, it refers to.

BTW, I am not black, but a good friend is a researcher (he is black) and this is his field; he holds a PhD and has devoted his life to reversing the issue of anti-gay sentiment within the black community. I am really surprised that you'd say it's not an issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another conservative here--the anti gay agenda is mainly religious and sorry to say..lots of Dems are religious and anti gay--look at the state of California. Look at the African American community..lots of dems there and this community is notorious for not being accepting who aren't straight (this is where the terms on the down low came from) As a true conservative I think everyone minds their own business and as little of government infringing on that as possible. I also think the world is changing. It used to be your only exposure to gay lifestyle was on cable (sex shows and I mean the hard core stuff not "L word" and coverage of the "gay pride" parade and sorry guys in leather with long mustache it was hard to take that seriously. Now more gay people are out and just living their lives and surprise most people are completely fine with that. My aunt came out and she said she wished she did it sooner as no one in the family had any negative thought on it. The worry was actually in her own mind. She is a lot happier living openly.

I am black and I take GREAT offense to this position. How many black people do you know who are "anti-gay"? Being on the "down low" has nothing to do with being homophobic, but rather the inability for the man to accept his sexuality (this happens across all races). Please stop perpetuating the "blacks don't like gay people" crap.

The down-low phenomenon refers to the propensity of the gay African American male to take a wife and girlfriends either as a product of bisexuality or of an attempt to hide his sexuality from society. While this certainly transcends racial lines, the "down low" in this case does refer to the African American male, and it is seen as a function of the relative disapproval of gay and lesbian lifestyles in black culture. This is a known issue, and the vernacular originated in African American parlance, and while it may now be used outside of those racial boundaries, it has roots there and that's what, generally speaking, it refers to.

BTW, I am not black, but a good friend is a researcher (he is black) and this is his field; he holds a PhD and has devoted his life to reversing the issue of anti-gay sentiment within the black community. I am really surprised that you'd say it's not an issue.

Your understanding of the "downlow" is correct, but your interpretation of it is false. AA men hide their sexuality for the same reason that white/Latino men hide their sexuality: fear of acceptance within their family. Has nothing to do with other AAs not accepting them and/or AAs being homophobic. In fact, the whole "down low" phenomenon is nothing more than overblown hype to sell books in that genre. If you think white guys aren't on the "down low" you're kidding yourself. Check out CraigsList sometimes and see the ads posted by married men looking to be "dominated".

BTW, anti-gay sentiment occurs in all races. Not sure why blacks are singled out here. What race has perpetrated the most hate crimes against gays and lesbians?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am black and I take GREAT offense to this position. How many black people do you know who are "anti-gay"? Being on the "down low" has nothing to do with being homophobic, but rather the inability for the man to accept his sexuality (this happens across all races). Please stop perpetuating the "blacks don't like gay people" crap.

So which of Prince George's and Frederick Counties voted FOR Question 6?

[Anonymous]

OP, you can't choose your family, but you can choose your friends and where to live. I think just getting older has helped me care less about what other people think.

My current lesbian agenda includes the following:
-get toddler DS to stop waking up at night
-reduce DS's hitting
-laundry
-dishes
-staying awake at work
-stop joking with DW that she's just my roommate because it's too close to the truth since we've had a baby!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am black and I take GREAT offense to this position. How many black people do you know who are "anti-gay"? Being on the "down low" has nothing to do with being homophobic, but rather the inability for the man to accept his sexuality (this happens across all races). Please stop perpetuating the "blacks don't like gay people" crap.

So which of Prince George's and Frederick Counties voted FOR Question 6?

Why don't you tell me? And then also tell me the percentages regarding other races. (BTW, I voted in favor of SSM).

Are you now suggesting that blacks (given the percentage of the population we represent) actually are the folks holding back gay rights? Given that we are unfairly used as scapegoats in the oppression of gays, is it any wonder why comparing the struggle to the CRM is offensive?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Another conservative here--the anti gay agenda is mainly religious and sorry to say..lots of Dems are religious and anti gay--look at the state of California. Look at the African American community..lots of dems there and this community is notorious for not being accepting who aren't straight (this is where the terms on the down low came from) As a true conservative I think everyone minds their own business and as little of government infringing on that as possible. I also think the world is changing. It used to be your only exposure to gay lifestyle was on cable (sex shows and I mean the hard core stuff not "L word" and coverage of the "gay pride" parade and sorry guys in leather with long mustache it was hard to take that seriously. Now more gay people are out and just living their lives and surprise most people are completely fine with that. My aunt came out and she said she wished she did it sooner as no one in the family had any negative thought on it. The worry was actually in her own mind. She is a lot happier living openly.

This is complete BS. There are not enough Blacks in this country to derail LGBT rights. Oh, and in case you did not know, the District is still majority Black and the city seemed to pass rights for the LGBT community. But you can keep repeating your racist views because that's your prejudice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another conservative here--the anti gay agenda is mainly religious and sorry to say..lots of Dems are religious and anti gay--look at the state of California. Look at the African American community..lots of dems there and this community is notorious for not being accepting who aren't straight (this is where the terms on the down low came from) As a true conservative I think everyone minds their own business and as little of government infringing on that as possible. I also think the world is changing. It used to be your only exposure to gay lifestyle was on cable (sex shows and I mean the hard core stuff not "L word" and coverage of the "gay pride" parade and sorry guys in leather with long mustache it was hard to take that seriously. Now more gay people are out and just living their lives and surprise most people are completely fine with that. My aunt came out and she said she wished she did it sooner as no one in the family had any negative thought on it. The worry was actually in her own mind. She is a lot happier living openly.

This is complete BS. There are not enough Blacks in this country to derail LGBT rights. Oh, and in case you did not know, the District is still majority Black and the city seemed to pass rights for the LGBT community. But you can keep repeating your racist views because that's your prejudice.

I have a feeling you aren't black. While it's okay to take issue with what the pp stated, calling him/her racist is an overreaction. Let's not casually toss out labels to those who don't agree with us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another conservative here--the anti gay agenda is mainly religious and sorry to say..lots of Dems are religious and anti gay--look at the state of California. Look at the African American community..lots of dems there and this community is notorious for not being accepting who aren't straight (this is where the terms on the down low came from) As a true conservative I think everyone minds their own business and as little of government infringing on that as possible. I also think the world is changing. It used to be your only exposure to gay lifestyle was on cable (sex shows and I mean the hard core stuff not "L word" and coverage of the "gay pride" parade and sorry guys in leather with long mustache it was hard to take that seriously. Now more gay people are out and just living their lives and surprise most people are completely fine with that. My aunt came out and she said she wished she did it sooner as no one in the family had any negative thought on it. The worry was actually in her own mind. She is a lot happier living openly.

I am black and I take GREAT offense to this position. How many black people do you know who are "anti-gay"? Being on the "down low" has nothing to do with being homophobic, but rather the inability for the man to accept his sexuality (this happens across all races). Please stop perpetuating the "blacks don't like gay people" crap.

The down-low phenomenon refers to the propensity of the gay African American male to take a wife and girlfriends either as a product of bisexuality or of an attempt to hide his sexuality from society. While this certainly transcends racial lines, the "down low" in this case does refer to the African American male, and it is seen as a function of the relative disapproval of gay and lesbian lifestyles in black culture. This is a known issue, and the vernacular originated in African American parlance, and while it may now be used outside of those racial boundaries, it has roots there and that's what, generally speaking, it refers to.

BTW, I am not black, but a good friend is a researcher (he is black) and this is his field; he holds a PhD and has devoted his life to reversing the issue of anti-gay sentiment within the black community. I am really surprised that you'd say it's not an issue.

Oh Dear Lord, now the anti-gay sentiment only exist in the Black community. Really! I guess you would be surprised that white men, Asian men, Latino men have not had beards in their community. In your mind, only the Black community have men who have taken a wife or girlfriend in an attempt to hide ones sexuality. It's no more of an issue in the Black community than it is in your non-Black community.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another conservative here--the anti gay agenda is mainly religious and sorry to say..lots of Dems are religious and anti gay--look at the state of California. Look at the African American community..lots of dems there and this community is notorious for not being accepting who aren't straight (this is where the terms on the down low came from) As a true conservative I think everyone minds their own business and as little of government infringing on that as possible. I also think the world is changing. It used to be your only exposure to gay lifestyle was on cable (sex shows and I mean the hard core stuff not "L word" and coverage of the "gay pride" parade and sorry guys in leather with long mustache it was hard to take that seriously. Now more gay people are out and just living their lives and surprise most people are completely fine with that. My aunt came out and she said she wished she did it sooner as no one in the family had any negative thought on it. The worry was actually in her own mind. She is a lot happier living openly.

This is complete BS. There are not enough Blacks in this country to derail LGBT rights. Oh, and in case you did not know, the District is still majority Black and the city seemed to pass rights for the LGBT community. But you can keep repeating your racist views because that's your prejudice.

I have a feeling you aren't black. While it's okay to take issue with what the pp stated, calling him/her racist is an overreaction. Let's not casually toss out labels to those who don't agree with us.

Well your feeling would be incorrect. I am not casually tossing out labels. It is there. The PP attempts to hold the Black community as the community responsible for withholding LGBT rights. She/he needs to look into the mirror of her community and stop perpetuating her lies against the Black community. We don't make up enough of the population to hold up LGBT rights or any other rights.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The only "agenda" I worry about is that there will be a push to have all churches everywhere perform marriages, and some of the in-your-face gay and lesbian activists won't stop until that happens, which means having to listen to this stuff for the rest of our lives. I am pro gay marriage in a civil sense, but don't want religious institutions strong armed into performing ceremonies that they are doctrinally opposed to.

This argument irritates the hell out of me. What you're basically saying is that the political should remain divested of the church, right? If only the churches listened as well. It's a two-way street my friend. Once religious institutions became political (which has really been forever) it's an invitation for the reverse to happen. Right?

Not the pp, but your comment doesn't make much sense.

You're telling me you don't see religious influence in politics???? Are you really that dense?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only "agenda" I worry about is that there will be a push to have all churches everywhere perform marriages, and some of the in-your-face gay and lesbian activists won't stop until that happens, which means having to listen to this stuff for the rest of our lives. I am pro gay marriage in a civil sense, but don't want religious institutions strong armed into performing ceremonies that they are doctrinally opposed to.

This argument irritates the hell out of me. What you're basically saying is that the political should remain divested of the church, right? If only the churches listened as well. It's a two-way street my friend. Once religious institutions became political (which has really been forever) it's an invitation for the reverse to happen. Right?

Not the pp, but your comment doesn't make much sense.

You're telling me you don't see religious influence in politics???? Are you really that dense?

Yes, I see that. It's been that way since the Constitution was drafted really. Still not understanding: "Once religious institutions became political (which has really been forever) it's an invitation for the reverse to happen."

Is this your incredibly convoluted way of saying that churches should be forced to marry gays?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another conservative here--the anti gay agenda is mainly religious and sorry to say..lots of Dems are religious and anti gay--look at the state of California. Look at the African American community..lots of dems there and this community is notorious for not being accepting who aren't straight (this is where the terms on the down low came from) As a true conservative I think everyone minds their own business and as little of government infringing on that as possible. I also think the world is changing. It used to be your only exposure to gay lifestyle was on cable (sex shows and I mean the hard core stuff not "L word" and coverage of the "gay pride" parade and sorry guys in leather with long mustache it was hard to take that seriously. Now more gay people are out and just living their lives and surprise most people are completely fine with that. My aunt came out and she said she wished she did it sooner as no one in the family had any negative thought on it. The worry was actually in her own mind. She is a lot happier living openly.

I am black and I take GREAT offense to this position. How many black people do you know who are "anti-gay"? Being on the "down low" has nothing to do with being homophobic, but rather the inability for the man to accept his sexuality (this happens across all races). Please stop perpetuating the "blacks don't like gay people" crap.

I am black too and I agree with the PP. How DARE you try to speak for us!!! Keep your damn mouth shut about what the "black community" thinks. We are not a monolith!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The only "agenda" I worry about is that there will be a push to have all churches everywhere perform marriages, and some of the in-your-face gay and lesbian activists won't stop until that happens, which means having to listen to this stuff for the rest of our lives. I am pro gay marriage in a civil sense, but don't want religious institutions strong armed into performing ceremonies that they are doctrinally opposed to.

This is a dumb thing to worry about. No church is forced to perform any marriage now. Just last year some church in the South refused to perform a marriage between two black members of its own church (heterosexuals), because the white folks would be uncomfortable with it. There were no legal repercussions of any kind, because churches aren't required to perform marriages on demand.

[Anonymous]

their does not equal there

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only "agenda" I worry about is that there will be a push to have all churches everywhere perform marriages, and some of the in-your-face gay and lesbian activists won't stop until that happens, which means having to listen to this stuff for the rest of our lives. I am pro gay marriage in a civil sense, but don't want religious institutions strong armed into performing ceremonies that they are doctrinally opposed to.

This argument irritates the hell out of me. What you're basically saying is that the political should remain divested of the church, right? If only the churches listened as well. It's a two-way street my friend. Once religious institutions became political (which has really been forever) it's an invitation for the reverse to happen. Right?

I agree with BOTH of these points, actually. There are some churches that are PROUD to perform marriages between same-sex couples. I've been to several right here in DC. I've also been to gay weddings in other parts of the country that were primarily civil commitments between not-particularly-religious adults. Commitment to marital fidelity and wanting to celebrate love do not necessarily need to be religious in nature, but if a same-sex couple wants a religious ceremony, there are certainly churches who are willing to perform that ceremony.

As for the separation of church and politics, I suspect that those "in your face gay and lesbian activists" the first PP is concerned about take a more radical stance on equality. Most people who have been discriminated against are angry about that at some point. Some choose to be more radical than others. The comments in this thread drip with soft-core bigotry - who cares about leather and mustaches? who cares if the OP refers to herself as a "gay girl"?

Actually, that "gay girl" bit didn't seem like bigotry, it seemed like some kind of internal lesbianic conflict. I don't see why the term "gay girl" would offend an out lesbian, but then again, I'm not a lesbian so I have no idea what this means to one...