Good WISC scores (and additional material) for appeal?
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Anonymous
Are you asking for real or being facetious? I'm not sure if they would be considered "new". I did call the center and they said I could include additional work samples showing additional variety, so I'm thinking yes, but not sure... Any concrete advice appreciated! |
Anonymous
| Can a very high WISC (99.5% and above) trump a low GBRS (say an 8 or a 9), if the other scores (NNAT and FfAT) support the WISC? Has anybody heard of any such cases? |
Anonymous
I've been to Dr. Dahlgren for both of my kids (both in AAP now). Call her today, and she will tell you what to do. I would bet money that she advises both the SB (an "expanded" IQ test that can assess profoundly gifted kids (who would "hit the ceiling" of 19 on the individual subparts of the WISC) and also does not factor in working memory or processing speed (two of the four parts of WISC, which often pull down the Full Scale IQ) and the Woodcock (which is an ability test, it will show, for example, if your child is working a certain number of years ahead; for example when my child was in 2nd grade, based on the Woodcock, Dr. Dahlgren could state in the report that DC's reading skills fell at the end of the 6th grade level, and math skills fell at the middle of the 4th grade level -- very persuasive on appeal). I've also heard that the committee looks for two or more subtests within VCI or PRI that are 17 or above. |
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Can a very high WISC (99.5% and above) trump a low GBRS (say an 8 or a 9), if the other scores (NNAT and FfAT) support the WISC? Has anybody heard of any such cases?
Wisc score is high 99% and above will defintely get in no matter what the GBRS My DC got in last year with good WISC score 99.6% low GBRS 10 |
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| PS from 10:34 You better call her pretty soon, because she books up fast at this time of the year. Also, she told us not to worry too much about work samples, letters of rec, etc. In her words "its a numbers game on appeal, and the result depends on the WISC/SB/Woodcock and the GBRS -- once you have a WISC or SB, the FxAT and NNAT scores essentially "drop out" because they are not as reliable as WISC/SB, and the rest (work samples, letters, even grades) is "fluff" (I think that was her word). But they will still factor in the GBRS on appeal. Good luck. |
Anonymous
PP, did your DC get in on appeal or in the first round? We are in a similar situation, with a great WISC (not submitted in the first round) and a surprising low GBRS of only 9. We are planning to appeal and I was looking for any advice as to whether our very strong WISC could bypass the unexplicably low GBRS on appeal. |
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How strong is the WISC? |
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PP, did your DC get in on appeal or in the first round? We are in a similar situation, with a great WISC (not submitted in the first round) and a surprising low GBRS of only 9. We are planning to appeal and I was looking for any advice as to whether our very strong WISC could bypass the unexplicably low GBRS on appeal
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Anonymous
WISC is 99.6% (140). Great verbal and perceptual scores with several 17s and 18s, low processing speed. How are our chances on appeal? |
Anonymous
You could do both Stanford Binet (IQ test) and Woodcock Johnson (achievement test). I've read on these threads of a situation similar to yours (strong WISC submitted with original screening file) where the family appealed with Stanford Binet and WJ, and their DC did get in on appeal. Diana Dahlgren has great advice since she used to be on the AAP board or whatever it is called, and her own two children were also in AAP. She was great with our DC. Our DC had a situation similar to some others in that the NNAT and FxAT were not too high (in realm of 80 or 90 percentile), and he still was accepted for AAP. WISC was good (FSIQ in 120s, GAI equivalent in 130s), in the range of where it needed to be, but nothing like some of the extraordinary scores I have seen on this board. DC did have a subscore that was quite high, related to his areas of passionate interest, so I'm thinking that made a difference, and we submitted a strong WJ too. GBRS was 12, so reasonable but not stellar. However, some of the comments on the GBRS portrayed DC as exceptional in certain areas, standing out from peers, and these areas again related to his passionate interests. It looks like he didn't need to be good at everything, and I am wondering if the specific comments on the GBRS mean more than just the number. We submitted great letters of recommendation from people who had worked with DC for anywhere from 2 to 4 years on academic types of extracurriculars. And we submitted what I thought were strong work samples. Only one we submitted was something that had been done at school. Others were DC's own special projects that he loves to do at home. Maybe that helped show that he is "gifted" (as lots of people have said that he is, from his earliest years). Homework is mostly worksheets and spelling tests so I wouldn't have thought those would be worthwhile to submit. DC is constantly churning out creative projects at home and working to learn about new topics, and I could provide examples of things he had said that seemed to show a high level of thoughtfulness and insight. He had done well on the school exercise that was submitted with the screening file. DC had almost all 4's on the report card, except for some work habit or organization type things (3's). A note that he is young for his grade. I think the narrative from the WISC and WJ reports helped to show that testing is not DC's thing (demeanor and types of mistakes). I'll never know specifically what he missed on the NNAT and FxAT, but when I see him do fill-in-the-bubble type homework I see that the multiple-choice format opens the door for him to guess and not think things through. He doesn't seem to have the maturity and focus to consider all the options and pick the best one, but rather will fill in the bubble for the first thing that seems like it might be right. On homework or tests he often misses the easier questions and gets the harder questions right. Very frustrating to see as a parent. I encourage him to go back and check his work but he just skims over things and I know that he isn't really reconsidering the correctness of his answers. It makes sense to me that he did better on the WISC where he probably had to give more thoughtful answers, ones that he came up with on his own and not multiple choice. I feel for those whose DC's had such excellent scores and did not get in. Very puzzling. The only thing I can think is to give a fuller picture of your DC: his/her passions, any special accomplishments and recognition, projects that DC initiated and completed on his/her own. And of course new tests. But I am certainly not an expert so I would contact Diana Dahlgren or another psychologist with professional expertise and experience. Good luck to all. Children will eventually realize their potential with or without AAP placement. |
Anonymous
You chances are very good. However, you should have included the WISC with the initial package, and you would most likely be in now and not having to stress over it. Who told you not to include it? Our clinical psychologist strongly recommended including a WISC in the initial package. |
Anonymous
+1 |
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| For those posters above who asked whether a very high WISC can trump a very low GBRS, the answer based on past years is a resounding yes. However, this year they seem to have changes things (IMO making it harder for children to get into AAP) so I guess we all just have to see how it plays out. Take a look at the Appeals Thread from 2011 (it's like 95 pages long) and you'll see that high WISC trumped low GBRS in the past. Good luck. |
Anonymous
135, got in. |
Anonymous
What were the sub scores ? Also can you pls. post fxat and NNAT score? Thanks - |