I cringe we women bash other women for being ovewhelmed or lazy or unproductive because...

[Anonymous]

Blah blah insecure blah blah bo hoo hoo. Yawn.

[Anonymous]

Life hits everyone hard. I'll take my invisible illness and other people's judgments over other hardships any day. I have a great partner, a wonderful child, and a home full of love, and we have been through enough to have the good sense to be grateful for it.

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1.) It throws "sisterhood" out the window and replaces it with "mean girls."

2.) It's another example of women pushing other women to meet what is for some unreasonable expectations.
(I am convinced the anorexia and bulimia epidemic would be reduced if we stopped worshipping extreme thinness, praising people for being too thin and gossiping about those who gain too much weight. I don't think there are that many men attracted to the pre-pubescent male look in females.

3.) It shows a lack of awareness that people face different challenges than we do?
There are people with severe autoimmune disorders among us and people going through cancer treatment who haven't told you. There are plenty of people struggling with varying degrees of mental illness. There are people who seem to end up always the caregiver in their immediate and extended families and never the care receiver and they are burn out. There are people struggling in bad marriages that haven't told you. There are people with kids struggling with neurological illnesses and mental illness and physical illness. People do what they can handle. Just because one woman needs more rest than you do, or gets less done in a day, doesn't mean she has less value than you do.

1) Not sure what this even means. "sisterhood"? I have friends, some old-dear-close friends, some local work-out buddies, trade babysitting, go out with friends. But I'm not sure what sisterhood is or what that should mean to me. I like PEOPLE who are positive, work hard, don't complain, realize we only have one life to live, and provide something positive to my life.

2) Personally I think the bar is really too low for many women, but I don't push or expect anything of any one else. The recent, OMG I need to go to a hotel to get away from life thread is an example. If you are that burned out from life and your kids than make a change. Now, many people do have challenges in life that are out of their control, but their reaction is within their control and this is where I judge people.

3) I disagree that people do what they can handle. MANY people don't do all that they can handle or complain about it the whole time!!

Well you sound like a peach.

Thanks, I am actually quite friendly, but I do have a positive attitude when it comes to living life and I won't be brought down by those who are complainers. A lot of people like to complain about circumstances that they DO have control over. I understand that many people are struggling with issues, but most people have issues they are dealing with if you ask. Life goes on and it's all about your attitude. There are extreme situations but that's not the case for most.

If you complain about being fat and tired while holding a 64oz big gulp in your hand filled with coke I'm not really feeling bad for you. If your house is mess and you're complaining about how hard it is to keep up after telling me about your favorite tv show then you need to prioritize. If your kids and life really stress you out that bad then make some changes. Many of us have ways to make changes, work smarter not harder, but don't and just complain about it.

Um, no, you absolutely do not have a positive attitude. You actually sound quite nasty.

Why?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:2) Personally I think the bar is really too low for many women, but I don't push or expect anything of any one else. The recent, OMG I need to go to a hotel to get away from life thread is an example. If you are that burned out from life and your kids than make a change. Now, many people do have challenges in life that are out of their control, but their reaction is within their control and this is where I judge people.

I responded on that thread, but left out what was so stressful. In the prior 2 weeks, I watched a family member die, dealt with my father spiraling out of control in reaction to the death, worried about how his drinking would mix with his chemo, managed kids and the funeral arrangements, all while 7 months pregnant.

That's kind of a fucking downer and "whiny", so I just shared about what a nice experience it was to have a night away.

But, have fun with your judging. It sounds like it makes you very upbeat.

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Anonymous wrote:2) Personally I think the bar is really too low for many women, but I don't push or expect anything of any one else. The recent, OMG I need to go to a hotel to get away from life thread is an example. If you are that burned out from life and your kids than make a change. Now, many people do have challenges in life that are out of their control, but their reaction is within their control and this is where I judge people.

I responded on that thread, but left out what was so stressful. In the prior 2 weeks, I watched a family member die, dealt with my father spiraling out of control in reaction to the death, worried about how his drinking would mix with his chemo, managed kids and the funeral arrangements, all while 7 months pregnant.

That's kind of a fucking downer and "whiny", so I just shared about what a nice experience it was to have a night away.

But, have fun with your judging. It sounds like it makes you very upbeat.

I'm truly sorry for your loss and went through something similar not too long ago. It sucked bad, but I realize that these situations are a part of life and I won't be here forever either. I enjoy it all because I don't know how much time I have left with my loved ones, particularly with my kids and DH. Life is what you make it for most people.

Also not every single one of those posters had a similar situation happen to them which spurred their desire to hibernate for a weekend. Several posted that this was an annual event or they would like it to be. I just find it sad that people want to escape their life instead of enjoying each day.

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1.) It throws "sisterhood" out the window and replaces it with "mean girls."

2.) It's another example of women pushing other women to meet what is for some unreasonable expectations.
(I am convinced the anorexia and bulimia epidemic would be reduced if we stopped worshipping extreme thinness, praising people for being too thin and gossiping about those who gain too much weight. I don't think there are that many men attracted to the pre-pubescent male look in females.

3.) It shows a lack of awareness that people face different challenges than we do?
There are people with severe autoimmune disorders among us and people going through cancer treatment who haven't told you. There are plenty of people struggling with varying degrees of mental illness. There are people who seem to end up always the caregiver in their immediate and extended families and never the care receiver and they are burn out. There are people struggling in bad marriages that haven't told you. There are people with kids struggling with neurological illnesses and mental illness and physical illness. People do what they can handle. Just because one woman needs more rest than you do, or gets less done in a day, doesn't mean she has less value than you do.

1) Not sure what this even means. "sisterhood"? I have friends, some old-dear-close friends, some local work-out buddies, trade babysitting, go out with friends. But I'm not sure what sisterhood is or what that should mean to me. I like PEOPLE who are positive, work hard, don't complain, realize we only have one life to live, and provide something positive to my life.

2) Personally I think the bar is really too low for many women, but I don't push or expect anything of any one else. The recent, OMG I need to go to a hotel to get away from life thread is an example. If you are that burned out from life and your kids than make a change. Now, many people do have challenges in life that are out of their control, but their reaction is within their control and this is where I judge people.

3) I disagree that people do what they can handle. MANY people don't do all that they can handle or complain about it the whole time!!

Well you sound like a peach.

Thanks, I am actually quite friendly, but I do have a positive attitude when it comes to living life and I won't be brought down by those who are complainers. A lot of people like to complain about circumstances that they DO have control over. I understand that many people are struggling with issues, but most people have issues they are dealing with if you ask. Life goes on and it's all about your attitude. There are extreme situations but that's not the case for most.

If you complain about being fat and tired while holding a 64oz big gulp in your hand filled with coke I'm not really feeling bad for you. If your house is mess and you're complaining about how hard it is to keep up after telling me about your favorite tv show then you need to prioritize. If your kids and life really stress you out that bad then make some changes. Many of us have ways to make changes, work smarter not harder, but don't and just complain about it.

Um, no, you absolutely do not have a positive attitude. You actually sound quite nasty.

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PP you sound very preachy. I am not a complainer but wouldnt like to be around you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
1.) It throws "sisterhood" out the window and replaces it with "mean girls."

2.) It's another example of women pushing other women to meet what is for some unreasonable expectations.
(I am convinced the anorexia and bulimia epidemic would be reduced if we stopped worshipping extreme thinness, praising people for being too thin and gossiping about those who gain too much weight. I don't think there are that many men attracted to the pre-pubescent male look in females.

3.) It shows a lack of awareness that people face different challenges than we do?
There are people with severe autoimmune disorders among us and people going through cancer treatment who haven't told you. There are plenty of people struggling with varying degrees of mental illness. There are people who seem to end up always the caregiver in their immediate and extended families and never the care receiver and they are burn out. There are people struggling in bad marriages that haven't told you. There are people with kids struggling with neurological illnesses and mental illness and physical illness. People do what they can handle. Just because one woman needs more rest than you do, or gets less done in a day, doesn't mean she has less value than you do.

1) Not sure what this even means. "sisterhood"? I have friends, some old-dear-close friends, some local work-out buddies, trade babysitting, go out with friends. But I'm not sure what sisterhood is or what that should mean to me. I like PEOPLE who are positive, work hard, don't complain, realize we only have one life to live, and provide something positive to my life.

2) Personally I think the bar is really too low for many women, but I don't push or expect anything of any one else. The recent, OMG I need to go to a hotel to get away from life thread is an example. If you are that burned out from life and your kids than make a change. Now, many people do have challenges in life that are out of their control, but their reaction is within their control and this is where I judge people.

3) I disagree that people do what they can handle. MANY people don't do all that they can handle or complain about it the whole time!!

Well you sound like a peach.

Thanks, I am actually quite friendly, but I do have a positive attitude when it comes to living life and I won't be brought down by those who are complainers. A lot of people like to complain about circumstances that they DO have control over. I understand that many people are struggling with issues, but most people have issues they are dealing with if you ask. Life goes on and it's all about your attitude. There are extreme situations but that's not the case for most.

If you complain about being fat and tired while holding a 64oz big gulp in your hand filled with coke I'm not really feeling bad for you. If your house is mess and you're complaining about how hard it is to keep up after telling me about your favorite tv show then you need to prioritize. If your kids and life really stress you out that bad then make some changes. Many of us have ways to make changes, work smarter not harder, but don't and just complain about it.

Um, no, you absolutely do not have a positive attitude. You actually sound quite nasty.

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PP you sound very preachy. I am not a complainer but wouldnt like to be around you.

Maybe on an this forum, because I'm telling it like I see it, but of course I don't preach to people around me and my friends aren't like this.

[Anonymous]

I don't care if someone gets a hotel room for a night one a year. Good for them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:2) Personally I think the bar is really too low for many women, but I don't push or expect anything of any one else. The recent, OMG I need to go to a hotel to get away from life thread is an example. If you are that burned out from life and your kids than make a change. Now, many people do have challenges in life that are out of their control, but their reaction is within their control and this is where I judge people.

I responded on that thread, but left out what was so stressful. In the prior 2 weeks, I watched a family member die, dealt with my father spiraling out of control in reaction to the death, worried about how his drinking would mix with his chemo, managed kids and the funeral arrangements, all while 7 months pregnant.

That's kind of a fucking downer and "whiny", so I just shared about what a nice experience it was to have a night away.

But, have fun with your judging. It sounds like it makes you very upbeat.

I'm truly sorry for your loss and went through something similar not too long ago. It sucked bad, but I realize that these situations are a part of life and I won't be here forever either. I enjoy it all because I don't know how much time I have left with my loved ones, particularly with my kids and DH. Life is what you make it for most people.

Also not every single one of those posters had a similar situation happen to them which spurred their desire to hibernate for a weekend. Several posted that this was an annual event or they would like it to be. I just find it sad that people want to escape their life instead of enjoying each day.

On the one hand you say that if life gets you down so much, make a positive change. On the other hand, you criticize people who need a short escape. Does it occur to you that it's frequently hard to identify exactly what is getting you down, or what kind of change you need to make, unless you can step out of your normal routine and gather some perspective?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:2) Personally I think the bar is really too low for many women, but I don't push or expect anything of any one else. The recent, OMG I need to go to a hotel to get away from life thread is an example. If you are that burned out from life and your kids than make a change. Now, many people do have challenges in life that are out of their control, but their reaction is within their control and this is where I judge people.

I responded on that thread, but left out what was so stressful. In the prior 2 weeks, I watched a family member die, dealt with my father spiraling out of control in reaction to the death, worried about how his drinking would mix with his chemo, managed kids and the funeral arrangements, all while 7 months pregnant.

That's kind of a fucking downer and "whiny", so I just shared about what a nice experience it was to have a night away.

But, have fun with your judging. It sounds like it makes you very upbeat.

I'm truly sorry for your loss and went through something similar not too long ago. It sucked bad, but I realize that these situations are a part of life and I won't be here forever either. I enjoy it all because I don't know how much time I have left with my loved ones, particularly with my kids and DH. Life is what you make it for most people.

Also not every single one of those posters had a similar situation happen to them which spurred their desire to hibernate for a weekend. Several posted that this was an annual event or they would like it to be. I just find it sad that people want to escape their life instead of enjoying each day.

On the one hand you say that if life gets you down so much, make a positive change. On the other hand, you criticize people who need a short escape. Does it occur to you that it's frequently hard to identify exactly what is getting you down, or what kind of change you need to make, unless you can step out of your normal routine and gather some perspective?

It did occur to me, but no one mentioned that so I highly doubt that is what they do with their time while in their time-out.

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It did occur to me, but no one mentioned that so I highly doubt that is what they do with their time while in their time-out.

What in the world else do you think these women are doing? That is exactly why they need to get away. Also, sometimes the problem is FATIGUE. Thus, two days in a hotel to REST. I think that qualifies as identifying a problem and taking a concrete step to fix it, which is apparently exactly what you expect out of people.

And besides that, you are completely missing the point. I mean COMPLETELY. You may think that people are not doing "all they can" to change/improve/fix what is difficult in life but the whole point is that you cannot -- I mean CANNOT -- know how much they realistically can do, because you don't live inside their heads, their reality, and you don't know what challenges they face and how they are impacted by them.

[Anonymous]

That PP sounds awful. Im sorry i am appalled. These are the kind of women who are examples of why and how women judge each other and never stand up for one another. We expect men to respect us but we cant even respect each other.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Most people cope. If you haven't figured out how, quit whining for sympathy and get busy working.

Spoken like a true man ... Or my boss.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
1.) It throws "sisterhood" out the window and replaces it with "mean girls."

2.) It's another example of women pushing other women to meet what is for some unreasonable expectations.
(I am convinced the anorexia and bulimia epidemic would be reduced if we stopped worshipping extreme thinness, praising people for being too thin and gossiping about those who gain too much weight. I don't think there are that many men attracted to the pre-pubescent male look in females.

3.) It shows a lack of awareness that people face different challenges than we do?
There are people with severe autoimmune disorders among us and people going through cancer treatment who haven't told you. There are plenty of people struggling with varying degrees of mental illness. There are people who seem to end up always the caregiver in their immediate and extended families and never the care receiver and they are burn out. There are people struggling in bad marriages that haven't told you. There are people with kids struggling with neurological illnesses and mental illness and physical illness. People do what they can handle. Just because one woman needs more rest than you do, or gets less done in a day, doesn't mean she has less value than you do.

1) Not sure what this even means. "sisterhood"? I have friends, some old-dear-close friends, some local work-out buddies, trade babysitting, go out with friends. But I'm not sure what sisterhood is or what that should mean to me. I like PEOPLE who are positive, work hard, don't complain, realize we only have one life to live, and provide something positive to my life.

2) Personally I think the bar is really too low for many women, but I don't push or expect anything of any one else. The recent, OMG I need to go to a hotel to get away from life thread is an example. If you are that burned out from life and your kids than make a change. Now, many people do have challenges in life that are out of their control, but their reaction is within their control and this is where I judge people.

3) I disagree that people do what they can handle. MANY people don't do all that they can handle or complain about it the whole time!!

Well you sound like a peach.

Thanks, I am actually quite friendly, but I do have a positive attitude when it comes to living life and I won't be brought down by those who are complainers. A lot of people like to complain about circumstances that they DO have control over. I understand that many people are struggling with issues, but most people have issues they are dealing with if you ask. Life goes on and it's all about your attitude. There are extreme situations but that's not the case for most.

If you complain about being fat and tired while holding a 64oz big gulp in your hand filled with coke I'm not really feeling bad for you. If your house is mess and you're complaining about how hard it is to keep up after telling me about your favorite tv show then you need to prioritize. If your kids and life really stress you out that bad then make some changes. Many of us have ways to make changes, work smarter not harder, but don't and just complain about it.

Bless your heart, you know it all.

[Anonymous]

People, male or female, with neurological or mental issues should not be having children.