IS DCI dropping IB

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Anonymous wrote:DCI should not be offering AP classes. Students are expected to participate in the IB DP or CP. AP is not aligned with the school's mission or charter. This is a slippery slope.

DCI is on pace to become the highest scoring public or charter school in the city- I said on pace, it probably won’t pass BASIS but Walls is in decline- and offering APs reflects the preferences of the high performing parents who seek it out. I think there’s a sizable group of people who are ambivalent about the immersion but view it as the only chance for real differentiated learning in DC.

Based on what actual data?

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They won’t give us yoy AP scores but they do give us SAT and walls has declined. Once the test free cohorts really kick in it’ll get much worse. Only question is if DCI can pass JR.

I have a kid at DCI. SAT scores at Walls remain light years ahead and DCI will never catch it. But, yea, I doubt there's much daylight between JR and DCI.

Here is the reality. Walks is a selective school and DCI isn’t. You cannot compare the 2 since not apples to apples.

BUT if you look at the average SAT scores of the higher performing kids who pursue the IB diploma, I can bet you their scores are just as good, if not better than Wals since the SAT difference between the two schools is only about 150 points or so

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Anonymous wrote:DCI should not be offering AP classes. Students are expected to participate in the IB DP or CP. AP is not aligned with the school's mission or charter. This is a slippery slope.

DCI is on pace to become the highest scoring public or charter school in the city- I said on pace, it probably won’t pass BASIS but Walls is in decline- and offering APs reflects the preferences of the high performing parents who seek it out. I think there’s a sizable group of people who are ambivalent about the immersion but view it as the only chance for real differentiated learning in DC.

Based on what actual data?

m
They won’t give us yoy AP scores but they do give us SAT and walls has declined. Once the test free cohorts really kick in it’ll get much worse. Only question is if DCI can pass JR.

I have a kid at DCI. SAT scores at Walls remain light years ahead and DCI will never catch it. But, yea, I doubt there's much daylight between JR and DCI.

Here is the reality. Walks is a selective school and DCI isn’t. You cannot compare the 2 since not apples to apples.

BUT if you look at the average SAT scores of the higher performing kids who pursue the IB diploma, I can bet you their scores are just as good, if not better than Wals since the SAT difference between the two schools is only about 150 points or so

NP and DCI posters are always comparing the school to Walls. And then on any data point where Walls is better thry bring up that it is a selective school. So stop comparing them, and people won’t keep mentioning the SAT scores.

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Anonymous wrote:DCI should not be offering AP classes. Students are expected to participate in the IB DP or CP. AP is not aligned with the school's mission or charter. This is a slippery slope.

DCI is on pace to become the highest scoring public or charter school in the city- I said on pace, it probably won’t pass BASIS but Walls is in decline- and offering APs reflects the preferences of the high performing parents who seek it out. I think there’s a sizable group of people who are ambivalent about the immersion but view it as the only chance for real differentiated learning in DC.

Based on what actual data?

m
They won’t give us yoy AP scores but they do give us SAT and walls has declined. Once the test free cohorts really kick in it’ll get much worse. Only question is if DCI can pass JR.

I have a kid at DCI. SAT scores at Walls remain light years ahead and DCI will never catch it. But, yea, I doubt there's much daylight between JR and DCI.

Here is the reality. Walks is a selective school and DCI isn’t. You cannot compare the 2 since not apples to apples.

BUT if you look at the average SAT scores of the higher performing kids who pursue the IB diploma, I can bet you their scores are just as good, if not better than Wals since the SAT difference between the two schools is only about 150 points or so

NP and DCI posters are always comparing the school to Walls. And then on any data point where Walls is better thry bring up that it is a selective school. So stop comparing them, and people won’t keep mentioning the SAT scores.

I don't know about that, but I will say that the poster who is saying that high performers at DCI probably have SAT scores on par with Walls kids likely isn't wrong -- but it's not exactly rocket science to reach that conclusion. It's not like Walls has every kid in the city with high SATs.

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Anonymous wrote:DCI should not be offering AP classes. Students are expected to participate in the IB DP or CP. AP is not aligned with the school's mission or charter. This is a slippery slope.

DCI is on pace to become the highest scoring public or charter school in the city- I said on pace, it probably won’t pass BASIS but Walls is in decline- and offering APs reflects the preferences of the high performing parents who seek it out. I think there’s a sizable group of people who are ambivalent about the immersion but view it as the only chance for real differentiated learning in DC.

Based on what actual data?

m
They won’t give us yoy AP scores but they do give us SAT and walls has declined. Once the test free cohorts really kick in it’ll get much worse. Only question is if DCI can pass JR.

I have a kid at DCI. SAT scores at Walls remain light years ahead and DCI will never catch it. But, yea, I doubt there's much daylight between JR and DCI.

Here is the reality. Walks is a selective school and DCI isn’t. You cannot compare the 2 since not apples to apples.

BUT if you look at the average SAT scores of the higher performing kids who pursue the IB diploma, I can bet you their scores are just as good, if not better than Wals since the SAT difference between the two schools is only about 150 points or so

NP and DCI posters are always comparing the school to Walls. And then on any data point where Walls is better thry bring up that it is a selective school. So stop comparing them, and people won’t keep mentioning the SAT scores.

I’m the PP above and did not do any comparison. I’m only refuting the fact mentioned above that Walls SAT scores are “light years” ahead which is not factually true.

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Anonymous wrote:DCI should not be offering AP classes. Students are expected to participate in the IB DP or CP. AP is not aligned with the school's mission or charter. This is a slippery slope.

DCI is on pace to become the highest scoring public or charter school in the city- I said on pace, it probably won’t pass BASIS but Walls is in decline- and offering APs reflects the preferences of the high performing parents who seek it out. I think there’s a sizable group of people who are ambivalent about the immersion but view it as the only chance for real differentiated learning in DC.

Based on what actual data?

m
They won’t give us yoy AP scores but they do give us SAT and walls has declined. Once the test free cohorts really kick in it’ll get much worse. Only question is if DCI can pass JR.

I have a kid at DCI. SAT scores at Walls remain light years ahead and DCI will never catch it. But, yea, I doubt there's much daylight between JR and DCI.

Here is the reality. Walks is a selective school and DCI isn’t. You cannot compare the 2 since not apples to apples.

BUT if you look at the average SAT scores of the higher performing kids who pursue the IB diploma, I can bet you their scores are just as good, if not better than Wals since the SAT difference between the two schools is only about 150 points or so

NP and DCI posters are always comparing the school to Walls. And then on any data point where Walls is better thry bring up that it is a selective school. So stop comparing them, and people won’t keep mentioning the SAT scores.

I’m the PP above and did not do any comparison. I’m only refuting the fact mentioned above that Walls SAT scores are “light years” ahead which is not factually true.

We're talking averages, weirdo. Sure you can find DCI kids with high scores, but at Walls virtually all of the kids have high scores. Even now.

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Walls just doesn’t serve many kids. DCI does a good job of offering different levels, tracks, and options. My kid is happy there.

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THIS.

Those students who don’t want to pursue the IB diploma can take AP courses.

The highest performing students can be further tracked into AP courses in 9th and 10th, then IB track 11th and on. This will give them a huge advantage in college admissions showing high AP scores early on and strong IB scores later.

I think it’s a good thing to offer more rigorous courses like AP earlier on to the kids who can handle it in 9th and 10th.

The kids not pursuing the IB diploma can take AP in 11th and 12th or when they can handle it.

It is good to offer more tracking IMO.

DCI, per its charter, is IB-for-all. There is no tracking, all 11th and 12th graders pursue their IB diploma (or CP certificate, also an IB program).

Some 10th graders can take AP English as an elective in addition to (not a replacement for) MYP (IB) English, and I believe that there are some math classes that combine AP and IB (unsure though)

While there is IB for all, there is informal tracking in math at least from the very beginning.

There is no informal tracking at dci. It’s quite formal and based on test scores like the NWEA, classroom performance and teacher recommendation.

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Anonymous wrote:DCI should not be offering AP classes. Students are expected to participate in the IB DP or CP. AP is not aligned with the school's mission or charter. This is a slippery slope.

DCI is on pace to become the highest scoring public or charter school in the city- I said on pace, it probably won’t pass BASIS but Walls is in decline- and offering APs reflects the preferences of the high performing parents who seek it out. I think there’s a sizable group of people who are ambivalent about the immersion but view it as the only chance for real differentiated learning in DC.

Based on what actual data?

m
They won’t give us yoy AP scores but they do give us SAT and walls has declined. Once the test free cohorts really kick in it’ll get much worse. Only question is if DCI can pass JR.

I have a kid at DCI. SAT scores at Walls remain light years ahead and DCI will never catch it. But, yea, I doubt there's much daylight between JR and DCI.

Here is the reality. Walks is a selective school and DCI isn’t. You cannot compare the 2 since not apples to apples.

BUT if you look at the average SAT scores of the higher performing kids who pursue the IB diploma, I can bet you their scores are just as good, if not better than Wals since the SAT difference between the two schools is only about 150 points or so

NP and DCI posters are always comparing the school to Walls. And then on any data point where Walls is better thry bring up that it is a selective school. So stop comparing them, and people won’t keep mentioning the SAT scores.

I’m the PP above and did not do any comparison. I’m only refuting the fact mentioned above that Walls SAT scores are “light years” ahead which is not factually true.

We're talking averages, weirdo. Sure you can find DCI kids with high scores, but at Walls virtually all of the kids have high scores. Even now.

Guess your mother didn’t teach you any manners. Yes we all know it’s averages and it is not a big spread.

Actually, Walls scores have steadily decreased yearly since they stopped using testing as one of the criteria for entrance. Someone actually posted this data and flow sheet on another thread.

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DCI boosters need to calm down. We are all truly glad for you that your gamble on an immersion feeder paid off and you have a good option. That's great for the whole city. However that doesn't mean that DCI is the greatest school in the city and the world.

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Anonymous wrote:DCI boosters need to calm down. We are all truly glad for you that your gamble on an immersion feeder paid off and you have a good option. That's great for the whole city. However that doesn't mean that DCI is the greatest school in the city and the world.

There is not a single post on this entire thread where anyone from DCI even remotely suggests that. There's one poster whose biggest beef appears to be the alleged decline with Walls' SAT scores, but who gives a shit about that.

Our kid is at DCI and applied to Walls. We're not idiots and we recognize that by any objective measure Walls is the best public school in the city. Our kid didn't even get an interview despite having strong numbers and (we think) references. We were disappointed but not surprised, and we've moved on. We're grateful we have DCI. We consider it to be on par with JR and would have happily sent our kid there if we were in zone. Most kids don't need "the best." Good is good enough.

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No one said DCI is the best.

Different schools are best for different kids and the ur interests.

Some kids at DCI declined Walls admit because of sports, languages, STEM, or whatever. They felt DCI was better fit and that’s OK.

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Anonymous wrote:DCI should not be offering AP classes. Students are expected to participate in the IB DP or CP. AP is not aligned with the school's mission or charter. This is a slippery slope.

DCI is on pace to become the highest scoring public or charter school in the city- I said on pace, it probably won’t pass BASIS but Walls is in decline- and offering APs reflects the preferences of the high performing parents who seek it out. I think there’s a sizable group of people who are ambivalent about the immersion but view it as the only chance for real differentiated learning in DC.

Based on what actual data?

m
They won’t give us yoy AP scores but they do give us SAT and walls has declined. Once the test free cohorts really kick in it’ll get much worse. Only question is if DCI can pass JR.

I have a kid at DCI. SAT scores at Walls remain light years ahead and DCI will never catch it. But, yea, I doubt there's much daylight between JR and DCI.

Here is the reality. Walks is a selective school and DCI isn’t. You cannot compare the 2 since not apples to apples.

BUT if you look at the average SAT scores of the higher performing kids who pursue the IB diploma, I can bet you their scores are just as good, if not better than Wals since the SAT difference between the two schools is only about 150 points or so

NP and DCI posters are always comparing the school to Walls. And then on any data point where Walls is better thry bring up that it is a selective school. So stop comparing them, and people won’t keep mentioning the SAT scores.

I’m the PP above and did not do any comparison. I’m only refuting the fact mentioned above that Walls SAT scores are “light years” ahead which is not factually true.

On the school report card, 83.6 percent of Walls kids met the SAT benchmark, 33.3% of DCI kids did. For many who care about *their* kid, you can look at the differences in demographics -- all of our kids are more than their demographics but it's a helpful start for comparison. 61.5% of Black kids at Walls met the benchmark; 22.8% at DCI. For White, it's 93.3% at Walls and 63.9 at DCI.

Selective schools generally have higher performance on standardized tests across subgroups. For DCI, it's hard to say what the influence is of students with disabilities is on the overall score of different race/ethnic groups. DCI is nearly 20% students with disabilities, whereas Walls is 1%.

Having experienced the DCI community, it's a great school. Focusing on this one test to assess the school doesn't tell the whole story of the school.

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Anonymous wrote:DCI boosters need to calm down. We are all truly glad for you that your gamble on an immersion feeder paid off and you have a good option. That's great for the whole city. However that doesn't mean that DCI is the greatest school in the city and the world.

There is not a single post on this entire thread where anyone from DCI even remotely suggests that. There's one poster whose biggest beef appears to be the alleged decline with Walls' SAT scores, but who gives a shit about that.

Our kid is at DCI and applied to Walls. We're not idiots and we recognize that by any objective measure Walls is the best public school in the city. Our kid didn't even get an interview despite having strong numbers and (we think) references. We were disappointed but not surprised, and we've moved on. We're grateful we have DCI. We consider it to be on par with JR and would have happily sent our kid there if we were in zone. Most kids don't need "the best." Good is good enough.

By any objective measure walls is definitely not the best public school in the city. It used to be. But now they don’t even use objective criteria like the CAPE for admission. You’re better off gaming the system at a mediocre dcps, taking the easiest courses to get an interview. And the courses offered are mediocre. Just a few AP classes, nothing exceptional at all. You’re better off trying for a good charter like basis or dci or even Latin to stand out. Honestly we should all move to Maryland.

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Anonymous wrote:DCI should not be offering AP classes. Students are expected to participate in the IB DP or CP. AP is not aligned with the school's mission or charter. This is a slippery slope.

DCI is on pace to become the highest scoring public or charter school in the city- I said on pace, it probably won’t pass BASIS but Walls is in decline- and offering APs reflects the preferences of the high performing parents who seek it out. I think there’s a sizable group of people who are ambivalent about the immersion but view it as the only chance for real differentiated learning in DC.

Based on what actual data?

m
They won’t give us yoy AP scores but they do give us SAT and walls has declined. Once the test free cohorts really kick in it’ll get much worse. Only question is if DCI can pass JR.

I have a kid at DCI. SAT scores at Walls remain light years ahead and DCI will never catch it. But, yea, I doubt there's much daylight between JR and DCI.

Here is the reality. Walks is a selective school and DCI isn’t. You cannot compare the 2 since not apples to apples.

BUT if you look at the average SAT scores of the higher performing kids who pursue the IB diploma, I can bet you their scores are just as good, if not better than Wals since the SAT difference between the two schools is only about 150 points or so

NP and DCI posters are always comparing the school to Walls. And then on any data point where Walls is better thry bring up that it is a selective school. So stop comparing them, and people won’t keep mentioning the SAT scores.

I’m the PP above and did not do any comparison. I’m only refuting the fact mentioned above that Walls SAT scores are “light years” ahead which is not factually true.

On the school report card, 83.6 percent of Walls kids met the SAT benchmark, 33.3% of DCI kids did. For many who care about *their* kid, you can look at the differences in demographics -- all of our kids are more than their demographics but it's a helpful start for comparison. 61.5% of Black kids at Walls met the benchmark; 22.8% at DCI. For White, it's 93.3% at Walls and 63.9 at DCI.

Selective schools generally have higher performance on standardized tests across subgroups. For DCI, it's hard to say what the influence is of students with disabilities is on the overall score of different race/ethnic groups. DCI is nearly 20% students with disabilities, whereas Walls is 1%.

Having experienced the DCI community, it's a great school. Focusing on this one test to assess the school doesn't tell the whole story of the school.

Dci has to take everyone. Basis has to take everyone. Jr Wilson gets to have the wealthiest neighborhood in the city. walls has the benefit of an application school- only some kids will apply. This isn’t a good comparison.

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Anonymous wrote:DCI should not be offering AP classes. Students are expected to participate in the IB DP or CP. AP is not aligned with the school's mission or charter. This is a slippery slope.

DCI is on pace to become the highest scoring public or charter school in the city- I said on pace, it probably won’t pass BASIS but Walls is in decline- and offering APs reflects the preferences of the high performing parents who seek it out. I think there’s a sizable group of people who are ambivalent about the immersion but view it as the only chance for real differentiated learning in DC.

Based on what actual data?

m
They won’t give us yoy AP scores but they do give us SAT and walls has declined. Once the test free cohorts really kick in it’ll get much worse. Only question is if DCI can pass JR.

I have a kid at DCI. SAT scores at Walls remain light years ahead and DCI will never catch it. But, yea, I doubt there's much daylight between JR and DCI.

Here is the reality. Walks is a selective school and DCI isn’t. You cannot compare the 2 since not apples to apples.

BUT if you look at the average SAT scores of the higher performing kids who pursue the IB diploma, I can bet you their scores are just as good, if not better than Wals since the SAT difference between the two schools is only about 150 points or so

NP and DCI posters are always comparing the school to Walls. And then on any data point where Walls is better thry bring up that it is a selective school. So stop comparing them, and people won’t keep mentioning the SAT scores.

I’m the PP above and did not do any comparison. I’m only refuting the fact mentioned above that Walls SAT scores are “light years” ahead which is not factually true.

On the school report card, 83.6 percent of Walls kids met the SAT benchmark, 33.3% of DCI kids did. For many who care about *their* kid, you can look at the differences in demographics -- all of our kids are more than their demographics but it's a helpful start for comparison. 61.5% of Black kids at Walls met the benchmark; 22.8% at DCI. For White, it's 93.3% at Walls and 63.9 at DCI.

Selective schools generally have higher performance on standardized tests across subgroups. For DCI, it's hard to say what the influence is of students with disabilities is on the overall score of different race/ethnic groups. DCI is nearly 20% students with disabilities, whereas Walls is 1%.

Having experienced the DCI community, it's a great school. Focusing on this one test to assess the school doesn't tell the whole story of the school.

Dci has to take everyone. Basis has to take everyone. Jr Wilson gets to have the wealthiest neighborhood in the city. walls has the benefit of an application school- only some kids will apply. This isn’t a good comparison.

While it is a lottery, DCI only takes students from feeders and maybe a few non feeder students. Basis really only attracts a certain population of high achievers. So while they have to take anyone that matches, they do self select in some ways.