NYT: Male SMV

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I don't disagree, but do you realize that it's the same for women? Most of what women do to look beautiful is actually about what other women find attractive. (I don't mean that everyone's closeted.)

You really think other women are the ones who demand women diet, get breast implants, wear pushup bras, wear shapewear, put on makeup, get botox and all manner of "anti-aging" procedures, teeter in heels etc. Women invented those beauty standards?

Largely yes, this was invented by women. Men want a woman who looks nice and isn't fat. That's about it. Men have no idea what is shapewear, who uses botox and where it's used, and half the time they don't even know if a woman is wearing makeup or not. Same with shoes -- men only notice a woman's shoes if she's having difficulty walking in them, that's it.
You are literally telling lies right now. Not a single one of these items, including the freaking bra, was invented by a woman. You are living in a world of delusion and only you know why.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I don't disagree, but do you realize that it's the same for women? Most of what women do to look beautiful is actually about what other women find attractive. (I don't mean that everyone's closeted.)

You really think other women are the ones who demand women diet, get breast implants, wear pushup bras, wear shapewear, put on makeup, get botox and all manner of "anti-aging" procedures, teeter in heels etc. Women invented those beauty standards?

Largely yes, this was invented by women. Men want a woman who looks nice and isn't fat. That's about it. Men have no idea what is shapewear, who uses botox and where it's used, and half the time they don't even know if a woman is wearing makeup or not. Same with shoes -- men only notice a woman's shoes if she's having difficulty walking in them, that's it.

You are literally telling lies right now. Not a single one of these items, including the freaking bra, was invented by a woman. You are living in a world of delusion and only you know why.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Unless a man is dating other men, his sexual market value is zero. Women aren't paying some scrote when penis is the world's most ubiquitous commodity. It's so devalued that men try to force it on women and avoiding that nastiness is a top female priority. Males don't have inherent market value the way attractive women do. A man can't just sit around looking hot and expect the world to fall at his feet the way it will for a woman who just walks in a room looking hot.

I can't read the article, but I mostly agree with this, though I do think there is *some* market value to a man's attractiveness, including height.

But what the red pill podcast bros pushing testosterone supplements don't understand is that most women are not looking for a super muscled, overly tan, agro bro with a botoxed face. Most women see a Pete Hegseth and back away slowly so they can keep an eye on him until they reach a safe place.

Men get confused about women's attraction because they sometimes get distracted by, for instance, the fervor over the Heated Rivalry stars. But women don't want to marry those guys. They just want to ogle their bodies and laugh nervously. They might fantasize about dating a guy like that but they aren't starting a life with him. I have a close friend who spent her dating years with pro football players. Her husband? 5'7", funny, works in IT, smart and practical and loves kids. If he has nice abs, I wouldn't know, as he's the kind of man who always wears a rash guard to the beach or pool.

In general, though, tall men do tend to do better on the dating market. Not every woman wants a super tall guy (I personally didn't like dating a man who was like a foot taller than me, it made me feel like a child) but most women want a man who is a few inches taller than them. But height is also the hardest thing for a man to change (not that men aren't trying, apparently).

I actually think they know this. They claim to be trying to attract women because homosexuality is still stigmatized among men, but a lot of of these red pill influencers are actually closet cases. A good example is that rapist criminal whose name I forget right now. The light skinned black guy with the pin-sized bald head who was arrested in Eastern Europe for trafficking girls before he bribed Trump. That dummy has said so many dubious things about preferring trans women to women that anyone who doesn't know by now that he's a gay/bisexual who likes penises is a fool.

There's a video floating around by a gay influencer who points out that literally all of red pill male culture, including "looksmaxxing," casual steroid use, and the way they dress comes from gay male culture. He also pointed out that all of these men spend all the time surrounded by other men agreeing how bad women are. This is a misogynistic gay male movement like many other misogynistic gay male movements.

Before gay men got the effeminate, girl's best friend image they have now, there were countless societies of men who have sex with men who oppressed women. They wrote all kinds of draconian laws to police female fertility because that was the one thing women had that men needed and could not steal for themselves. A good example of a society like this is Afghanistan. Men having sex with men is a deeply embedded part of Pashtun culture and the crazy level of hostility towards women comes out of the hatred that men who are same sex attracted often have for women.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No men who know they are handsome and behave like they have so many choices are only attractive to inexperienced women.
Once a woman had serous romantic disappointments with a handsome dude who treated her like shi$t, she will be avoiding this as a plague. I personally can’t stand when a man doesn’t make me feel special and check out instantly,

Women also won’t be maintaining a whole lifestyle of such men . Being handsome won’t compensate for not having a provider mentality (and women
want to feel secure and protected if they look for a long term partner).

You're literally describing Alpha widows

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No men who know they are handsome and behave like they have so many choices are only attractive to inexperienced women.
Once a woman had serous romantic disappointments with a handsome dude who treated her like shi$t, she will be avoiding this as a plague. I personally can’t stand when a man doesn’t make me feel special and check out instantly,

Women also won’t be maintaining a whole lifestyle of such men . Being handsome won’t compensate for not having a provider mentality (and women
want to feel secure and protected if they look for a long term partner).

You're literally describing Alpha widows

No I described the opposite to Alpha widows. I had a number of disappointments so I now avoid alpha men who treat me badly. I’m looking for a more balanced partner in all aspects of it. I don’t even believe in alpha and beta definitions.

Alpha widow cant commit to “beta” men as she keeps replicating her experience with alpha men

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I don't disagree, but do you realize that it's the same for women? Most of what women do to look beautiful is actually about what other women find attractive. (I don't mean that everyone's closeted.)

You really think other women are the ones who demand women diet, get breast implants, wear pushup bras, wear shapewear, put on makeup, get botox and all manner of "anti-aging" procedures, teeter in heels etc. Women invented those beauty standards?

Largely yes, this was invented by women. Men want a woman who looks nice and isn't fat. That's about it. Men have no idea what is shapewear, who uses botox and where it's used, and half the time they don't even know if a woman is wearing makeup or not. Same with shoes -- men only notice a woman's shoes if she's having difficulty walking in them, that's it.

I know this is a small sample size, but when my wife goes to work (where 90% is female, including all of management) she does her hair, makeup, etc. When she hangs out with me during the weekend she doesn't.

This. This. A woman will spend hours doing her makeup for brunch with friends. But relax at home in sweats- No makeup and her hair in a bun unwashed - when she is with a relationship with a man. Men don’t care. If you’re female. They are happy - no need for makeup.
The makeup and clothes and hair are to impress other woman. I know because I’m a woman and that’s how I think.

[Anonymous]

Makeup and clothes is not that high effort. It’s being unnaturally thin that is hard. And yes, men want unnaturally thin.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Makeup and clothes is not that high effort. It’s being unnaturally thin that is hard. And yes, men want unnaturally thin.

How is it unnaturally thin when most women looked like that less than 50 years ago?

[Anonymous]

This sounds like corporate negging. Tell men they need to improve their "sexual market value" and then sell them expensive products to do so. It's a monetization and corporatization of the very basic concept of presenting yourself nicely to people you want to date. Taking it to its expensive extreme.

It's also toxic to anyone who actually wants to be in a relationship. If the idea is "maximizing" your own value, it follows you'd want a similar bid from someone with a similar "maximum" value. But that's never going to actually work in a relationship. You can't commodify compatibility. And leaves you chasing the next thing.

Remember if you're in a committed relationship and not chasing anymore, they can't make money off you any more.

Basically stuff like this is designed to keep you single and spending more money on their products.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Makeup and clothes is not that high effort. It’s being unnaturally thin that is hard. And yes, men want unnaturally thin.

How is it unnaturally thin when most women looked like that less than 50 years ago?

Well, it wasn’t natural then either? I’m talking about women aged 30-45 who have possibly had children. It is not natural for this demographic to have a flat stomach.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Makeup and clothes is not that high effort. It’s being unnaturally thin that is hard. And yes, men want unnaturally thin.

How is it unnaturally thin when most women looked like that less than 50 years ago?

Well, it wasn’t natural then either? I’m talking about women aged 30-45 who have possibly had children. It is not natural for this demographic to have a flat stomach.

Most men are not looking for 45 year old women's stomachs to be as flat as 25 year old women's stomach. Look at 45 year old women around the world from 40-50 years ago. That's what men call naturally thin. This Demi Moore anorexic thing she has going on is a misinterpretation of what men want. And that's if she is doing it for men. She probably thinks she looks best that way for herself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Unless a man is dating other men, his sexual market value is zero. Women aren't paying some scrote when penis is the world's most ubiquitous commodity. It's so devalued that men try to force it on women and avoiding that nastiness is a top female priority. Males don't have inherent market value the way attractive women do. A man can't just sit around looking hot and expect the world to fall at his feet the way it will for a woman who just walks in a room looking hot.

Facts. Men must have wealth, property, and be reasonably attractive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Makeup and clothes is not that high effort. It’s being unnaturally thin that is hard. And yes, men want unnaturally thin.

How is it unnaturally thin when most women looked like that less than 50 years ago?

Well, it wasn’t natural then either? I’m talking about women aged 30-45 who have possibly had children. It is not natural for this demographic to have a flat stomach.

Speak for yourself. I am 52 with a flat stomach. I eat healthy and do pilates and yoga. I still wear bikinis. I plan to wear bikinis until I die.

[Anonymous]

Oh and I had 5 kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Makeup and clothes is not that high effort. It’s being unnaturally thin that is hard. And yes, men want unnaturally thin.

How is it unnaturally thin when most women looked like that less than 50 years ago?

Well, it wasn’t natural then either? I’m talking about women aged 30-45 who have possibly had children. It is not natural for this demographic to have a flat stomach.

Most men are not looking for 45 year old women's stomachs to be as flat as 25 year old women's stomach. Look at 45 year old women around the world from 40-50 years ago. That's what men call naturally thin. This Demi Moore anorexic thing she has going on is a misinterpretation of what men want. And that's if she is doing it for men. She probably thinks she looks best that way for herself.

+1. Unnaturally thin is another trend pushed by women and gay men. I’m on the side that women are the ones pushing most of this fashion/ body trends to impress or compete with other women.