NYT: Male SMV

[Anonymous]

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/03/style/these-men-want-to-know-their-sexual-market-value.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share

Wow red pill concepts from 15 years ago are now mainstream NYT

[Anonymous]

Unless a man is dating other men, his sexual market value is zero. Women aren't paying some scrote when penis is the world's most ubiquitous commodity. It's so devalued that men try to force it on women and avoiding that nastiness is a top female priority. Males don't have inherent market value the way attractive women do. A man can't just sit around looking hot and expect the world to fall at his feet the way it will for a woman who just walks in a room looking hot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Unless a man is dating other men, his sexual market value is zero. Women aren't paying some scrote when penis is the world's most ubiquitous commodity. It's so devalued that men try to force it on women and avoiding that nastiness is a top female priority. Males don't have inherent market value the way attractive women do. A man can't just sit around looking hot and expect the world to fall at his feet the way it will for a woman who just walks in a room looking hot.

Weird take. Tall, good looking, fit, funny, and/or rich men have tons of interest from women. Lots of posts on here are from women desperate to find a good man. Those men have tons of "market value."

[Anonymous]

Can’t read it bc of the paywall, but 99% of what men think determines their SMV is actually what other men find attractive in men. Most women don’t care about muscles, wealth, size, or height all that much.

“Oh but hot young women only date rich tall men!” well yea, if your criteria for women is shallow, expect their criteria to be shallow as well. The woman who spends thousands of dollars on her appearance is going to have similar expectations of you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can’t read it bc of the paywall, but 99% of what men think determines their SMV is actually what other men find attractive in men. Most women don’t care about muscles, wealth, size, or height all that much.

“Oh but hot young women only date rich tall men!” well yea, if your criteria for women is shallow, expect their criteria to be shallow as well. The woman who spends thousands of dollars on her appearance is going to have similar expectations of you.

I don't disagree, but do you realize that it's the same for women? Most of what women do to look beautiful is actually about what other women find attractive. (I don't mean that everyone's closeted.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Unless a man is dating other men, his sexual market value is zero. Women aren't paying some scrote when penis is the world's most ubiquitous commodity. It's so devalued that men try to force it on women and avoiding that nastiness is a top female priority. Males don't have inherent market value the way attractive women do. A man can't just sit around looking hot and expect the world to fall at his feet the way it will for a woman who just walks in a room looking hot.

you are either really stupid or really bitter. there are lots of women who appreciate men and lots of men who merit the appreciation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can’t read it bc of the paywall, but 99% of what men think determines their SMV is actually what other men find attractive in men. Most women don’t care about muscles, wealth, size, or height all that much.

“Oh but hot young women only date rich tall men!” well yea, if your criteria for women is shallow, expect their criteria to be shallow as well. The woman who spends thousands of dollars on her appearance is going to have similar expectations of you.

I don't disagree, but do you realize that it's the same for women? Most of what women do to look beautiful is actually about what other women find attractive. (I don't mean that everyone's closeted.)

You really think other women are the ones who demand women diet, get breast implants, wear pushup bras, wear shapewear, put on makeup, get botox and all manner of "anti-aging" procedures, teeter in heels etc. Women invented those beauty standards? Studies show that women who fail to perform "femininity" get paid less, are more likely to be unemployed, are less likely to get job promotions, and on and on. You think it's women penalizing other women in the workplace so systematically that it can be quantified in dollars and cents?

Some of you need to get out of this fantasy world where men and women are equally powerful and equally culpable. Some things really do not go both ways. Beauty standards for both men and women are male dictated because men are the more powerful sex and men are the ones who attach real consequences -- not stupid shit like she wouldn't say hi to me -- to ignoring their demands.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unless a man is dating other men, his sexual market value is zero. Women aren't paying some scrote when penis is the world's most ubiquitous commodity. It's so devalued that men try to force it on women and avoiding that nastiness is a top female priority. Males don't have inherent market value the way attractive women do. A man can't just sit around looking hot and expect the world to fall at his feet the way it will for a woman who just walks in a room looking hot.

you are either really stupid or really bitter. there are lots of women who appreciate men and lots of men who merit the appreciation.

Right. That's why men who offer nothing but good looks routinely marry wealthy women and women happily pay for a man's entire lifestyle just because he's attractive and male prostitutes have no trouble finding women to pay for their services. Male sexual market value is definitely very high and male looks are definitely a commodity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Unless a man is dating other men, his sexual market value is zero. Women aren't paying some scrote when penis is the world's most ubiquitous commodity. It's so devalued that men try to force it on women and avoiding that nastiness is a top female priority. Males don't have inherent market value the way attractive women do. A man can't just sit around looking hot and expect the world to fall at his feet the way it will for a woman who just walks in a room looking hot.

I can't read the article, but I mostly agree with this, though I do think there is *some* market value to a man's attractiveness, including height.

But what the red pill podcast bros pushing testosterone supplements don't understand is that most women are not looking for a super muscled, overly tan, agro bro with a botoxed face. Most women see a Pete Hegseth and back away slowly so they can keep an eye on him until they reach a safe place.

Men get confused about women's attraction because they sometimes get distracted by, for instance, the fervor over the Heated Rivalry stars. But women don't want to marry those guys. They just want to ogle their bodies and laugh nervously. They might fantasize about dating a guy like that but they aren't starting a life with him. I have a close friend who spent her dating years with pro football players. Her husband? 5'7", funny, works in IT, smart and practical and loves kids. If he has nice abs, I wouldn't know, as he's the kind of man who always wears a rash guard to the beach or pool.

In general, though, tall men do tend to do better on the dating market. Not every woman wants a super tall guy (I personally didn't like dating a man who was like a foot taller than me, it made me feel like a child) but most women want a man who is a few inches taller than them. But height is also the hardest thing for a man to change (not that men aren't trying, apparently).

[Anonymous]

No men who know they are handsome and behave like they have so many choices are only attractive to inexperienced women.
Once a woman had serous romantic disappointments with a handsome dude who treated her like shi$t, she will be avoiding this as a plague. I personally can’t stand when a man doesn’t make me feel special and check out instantly,

Women also won’t be maintaining a whole lifestyle of such men . Being handsome won’t compensate for not having a provider mentality (and women
want to feel secure and protected if they look for a long term partner).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
I don't disagree, but do you realize that it's the same for women? Most of what women do to look beautiful is actually about what other women find attractive. (I don't mean that everyone's closeted.)

You really think other women are the ones who demand women diet, get breast implants, wear pushup bras, wear shapewear, put on makeup, get botox and all manner of "anti-aging" procedures, teeter in heels etc. Women invented those beauty standards?

Largely yes, this was invented by women. Men want a woman who looks nice and isn't fat. That's about it. Men have no idea what is shapewear, who uses botox and where it's used, and half the time they don't even know if a woman is wearing makeup or not. Same with shoes -- men only notice a woman's shoes if she's having difficulty walking in them, that's it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I don't disagree, but do you realize that it's the same for women? Most of what women do to look beautiful is actually about what other women find attractive. (I don't mean that everyone's closeted.)

You really think other women are the ones who demand women diet, get breast implants, wear pushup bras, wear shapewear, put on makeup, get botox and all manner of "anti-aging" procedures, teeter in heels etc. Women invented those beauty standards?

Largely yes, this was invented by women. Men want a woman who looks nice and isn't fat. That's about it. Men have no idea what is shapewear, who uses botox and where it's used, and half the time they don't even know if a woman is wearing makeup or not. Same with shoes -- men only notice a woman's shoes if she's having difficulty walking in them, that's it.
I know this is a small sample size, but when my wife goes to work (where 90% is female, including all of management) she does her hair, makeup, etc. When she hangs out with me during the weekend she doesn't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unless a man is dating other men, his sexual market value is zero. Women aren't paying some scrote when penis is the world's most ubiquitous commodity. It's so devalued that men try to force it on women and avoiding that nastiness is a top female priority. Males don't have inherent market value the way attractive women do. A man can't just sit around looking hot and expect the world to fall at his feet the way it will for a woman who just walks in a room looking hot.

I can't read the article, but I mostly agree with this, though I do think there is *some* market value to a man's attractiveness, including height.

But what the red pill podcast bros pushing testosterone supplements don't understand is that most women are not looking for a super muscled, overly tan, agro bro with a botoxed face. Most women see a Pete Hegseth and back away slowly so they can keep an eye on him until they reach a safe place.

Men get confused about women's attraction because they sometimes get distracted by, for instance, the fervor over the Heated Rivalry stars. But women don't want to marry those guys. They just want to ogle their bodies and laugh nervously. They might fantasize about dating a guy like that but they aren't starting a life with him. I have a close friend who spent her dating years with pro football players. Her husband? 5'7", funny, works in IT, smart and practical and loves kids. If he has nice abs, I wouldn't know, as he's the kind of man who always wears a rash guard to the beach or pool.

In general, though, tall men do tend to do better on the dating market. Not every woman wants a super tall guy (I personally didn't like dating a man who was like a foot taller than me, it made me feel like a child) but most women want a man who is a few inches taller than them. But height is also the hardest thing for a man to change (not that men aren't trying, apparently).

https://archive.is/Y89H7

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can’t read it bc of the paywall, but 99% of what men think determines their SMV is actually what other men find attractive in men. Most women don’t care about muscles, wealth, size, or height all that much.

“Oh but hot young women only date rich tall men!” well yea, if your criteria for women is shallow, expect their criteria to be shallow as well. The woman who spends thousands of dollars on her appearance is going to have similar expectations of you.

Big fat lie to the bolded. Most women care about height.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I don't disagree, but do you realize that it's the same for women? Most of what women do to look beautiful is actually about what other women find attractive. (I don't mean that everyone's closeted.)

You really think other women are the ones who demand women diet, get breast implants, wear pushup bras, wear shapewear, put on makeup, get botox and all manner of "anti-aging" procedures, teeter in heels etc. Women invented those beauty standards?

Largely yes, this was invented by women. Men want a woman who looks nice and isn't fat. That's about it. Men have no idea what is shapewear, who uses botox and where it's used, and half the time they don't even know if a woman is wearing makeup or not. Same with shoes -- men only notice a woman's shoes if she's having difficulty walking in them, that's it.

I know this is a small sample size, but when my wife goes to work (where 90% is female, including all of management) she does her hair, makeup, etc. When she hangs out with me during the weekend she doesn't.

Men like women with big breasts, youthful looking faces, and smaller waists.

The fact that they don't notice when these features are natural or not does not mean they don't care about these things