Why are Tech Bros so obsessed with guaranteed income?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What do you mean they’re obsessed with guaranteed income? Can you elaborate?

AI and automation and robotics are predicted to wipe out like 3/4’s of all jobs. Guaranteed income is bandied about as a solution. However, it doesn’t account for a myriad of other considerations like what people do without a traditional purpose. We’ll fkin see tho won’t we!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They want to replace your surgeon and your lawyer.

Lawyers cannot be replaced. I mean they are all in Congress right. So they will come up with additional rules that will shield them.

Tell your kids to become lawyers because if lawyers are replaced that will be the wind of the world lol.

Can you image in America, lawyers giving up that extravagant lifestyle lmao. Hell no. They will take the country down with them.

They aren't any closer to replacing the surgeons either.

Many surgeons use robotic arms. Soon, we won’t need humans to operate them.

A lot of surgeries are not done using robotic arms and most robotic arms are nowhere near being automated -- the surgeon is still making all decisions, they are just doing it using a robotic arm in order to facilitate minimally invasive surgery and very precise techniques. So I don't know what you mean by "soon."

[Anonymous]

I must not listen to as much drivel as you. Maybe turn off the podcast when you don't like what you are hearing?

Regardless, sounds pretty amazing, I'd love to get income without working. I'm 48 and HATE working. I can think of aobut 100 things I'd rather do each day than sit in front of a computer and make someone else rich.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They want to replace your surgeon and your lawyer.

Lawyers cannot be replaced. I mean they are all in Congress right. So they will come up with additional rules that will shield them.

Tell your kids to become lawyers because if lawyers are replaced that will be the wind of the world lol.

Can you image in America, lawyers giving up that extravagant lifestyle lmao. Hell no. They will take the country down with them.

They aren't any closer to replacing the surgeons either.

Many surgeons use robotic arms. Soon, we won’t need humans to operate them.

Girl, what are you going on about? my spouse is an orthopedic surgeon and utilizes robot assisted surgery multiple times a week. Who do you think is operating said robotic arm? It does not run itself. The reaosn is is used is to minimize the incision site and to be able to get the camera into small spaces and do detailed small form surgery. surgeons are not going anywhere, as a matter of fact so many are retiring we are about to have a crisis and wait taimes for surgery could lead to at best lowered life expectance and poor QOL or at worse death waiting. The reason to NOT become a surgeon is you are worked to death due to a massive shortage of surgeons.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They want to replace your surgeon and your lawyer.

Lawyers cannot be replaced. I mean they are all in Congress right. So they will come up with additional rules that will shield them.

Tell your kids to become lawyers because if lawyers are replaced that will be the wind of the world lol.

Can you image in America, lawyers giving up that extravagant lifestyle lmao. Hell no. They will take the country down with them.

They aren't any closer to replacing the surgeons either.

Many surgeons use robotic arms. Soon, we won’t need humans to operate them.

I have bridge to sell you - excellent deal

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are Tech Bros so obsessed with guaranteed income? And why does the media give them so much space on just about any topic as if these guys are prophets?

I want to work. It gives me dignity. I don't want some random dude with flip flop wearing short and a wrinkly shirt, weird AF, can barely make a normal eye contact telling giving his opinion about my life

Just why?

You get “dignity” from … work?

Weird. So weird.

Work is highly overrated. You are probably the only one on the planet who thinks like this.

The vast majority of men with criminal records happen to be unemployed, chronically underemployed or completely out of the workforce

Just saying

[Anonymous]

We’re not made to be idle. Some people would thrive; most would flail.

[Anonymous]

This is basically socialism/ communism and guess what? It was a failure. The problem is that when everyone owns everything, no one owns anything. and that income will not be enough, you can be sure of that.

[Anonymous]

Tech Bros? Could you be any more offensive.

Many tech companies pay in stock and in other ways and your income becomes based off the stock value at the time AND you have to pay taxes the day the stock vests. You cannot count on that given the market goes up and down. You cannot choose the day it vests. We had a heavy stock job for one spouse and it was stressful. We didn't live off the stock but the income greatly varied. So much better without it now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Tech Bros? Could you be any more offensive.

Many tech companies pay in stock and in other ways and your income becomes based off the stock value at the time AND you have to pay taxes the day the stock vests. You cannot count on that given the market goes up and down. You cannot choose the day it vests. We had a heavy stock job for one spouse and it was stressful. We didn't live off the stock but the income greatly varied. So much better without it now.

Do you just enjoy being offended? With all the problems in the world, calling Musk, Thiel, Altman, etc Tech Bros is hardly the end of the world. Unless you’re a billionaire, the term doesn’t apply to you. Also the OP should have used UBI (universal basic income) as others already posted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do you mean they’re obsessed with guaranteed income? Can you elaborate?

OP is talking about Universal Basic Income (UBI). It's the idea of guaranteeing all people some basic financial subsistence, paid out as a government benefit, regardless of whether they work or not.

A lot of tech bros like UBI because it's their proposed solution to automation and AI making so many jobs obsolete.

It was once a far left idea, a form of socialism, but due to AI it's become more embraced by libertarians or corporate tech bros, and people on the left are more likely to talk about using social democratic ideas to protect jobs.

You are far too informed for DCUM!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I must not listen to as much drivel as you. Maybe turn off the podcast when you don't like what you are hearing?

Regardless, sounds pretty amazing, I'd love to get income without working. I'm 48 and HATE working. I can think of aobut 100 things I'd rather do each day than sit in front of a computer and make someone else rich.

What is holding you back? I retired at 48 having made ca $2k a month for 30 years.
Not having to work for money is the best.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are Tech Bros so obsessed with guaranteed income? And why does the media give them so much space on just about any topic as if these guys are prophets?

I want to work. It gives me dignity. I don't want some random dude with flip flop wearing short and a wrinkly shirt, weird AF, can barely make a normal eye contact telling giving his opinion about my life

Just why?

You get “dignity” from … work?

Weird. So weird.

Work is highly overrated. You are probably the only one on the planet who thinks like this.

No it’s pretty common actually. It gives dignity and purpose to most.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They want to replace your surgeon and your lawyer.

Lawyers cannot be replaced. I mean they are all in Congress right. So they will come up with additional rules that will shield them.

Tell your kids to become lawyers because if lawyers are replaced that will be the wind of the world lol.

Can you image in America, lawyers giving up that extravagant lifestyle lmao. Hell no. They will take the country down with them.

They aren't any closer to replacing the surgeons either.

Many surgeons use robotic arms. Soon, we won’t need humans to operate them.

Girl, what are you going on about? my spouse is an orthopedic surgeon and utilizes robot assisted surgery multiple times a week. Who do you think is operating said robotic arm? It does not run itself. The reaosn is is used is to minimize the incision site and to be able to get the camera into small spaces and do detailed small form surgery. surgeons are not going anywhere, as a matter of fact so many are retiring we are about to have a crisis and wait taimes for surgery could lead to at best lowered life expectance and poor QOL or at worse death waiting. The reason to NOT become a surgeon is you are worked to death due to a massive shortage of surgeons.

If the work is already being done by a robotic arm, all you need is AI to evaluate and manipulate the arms. With a shortage of surgeons their will be huge money in this, and accelerate the transition.

I assume you don’t work in an office if you don’t understand that if a robot is doing the dextrous work, then software can easily take over the job.

[Anonymous]

I’m impressed with the tech bro grasps of history — they know that if their technology instantiates, widespread, poverty and pain, there will be pitchforks and calls to eat the rich. They can at least claim they were looking amount for the little people by asking for UBI.