Make-up Days

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These are the days listed on the calendar for potential makeup

March 20 (they will avoid because its Eid and they'll cry equity)
April 15
June 18
June 22 - 26 (which is likely what they'll go with... but no one is going to attend particularly since June 19 is Juneteenth and a day off no matter what)

MD also granted waiver for President's Day to be a makeup day potentially.

Ideally I think MCPS should take up MD's offer to do President's Day and also take Lunar New Year so we make up the days on Feb 16 & 17, March 20, and April 15. But it's not going to happen and our kids are all going to just miss out.

The regulation seems to actually put the districts at a disadvantage if they use days within the school year. I agree that making up the days you mentioned is ideal, but it seems that MCPS couldn't qualify for a waiver unless they use three days at the end of the school year.

School was set to end on Wednesday, 6/17.
They could add Thursday, 6/18. (1st additional day)
Friday, 6/19 is Juneteenth, so they can't add that.
They could add Monday, 6/22. (2nd additional day)
They could add Tuesday, 6/23. (3rd additional day).
+This seems to be the requirement to then apply for a waiver of additional days.

Ideally, people should plea with MSDE to allow schools to make up a day on Juneteenth. Then the third day beyond the regular closing date would be a Monday, and the state's language indicates that they can waive the last day if it falls on a Monday.

The requirements are really ridiculous, when clearly it is more productive to make up the days during the year. Why would the state not incentivize districts to make up the days during the school year when attendance can be maximized and students can benefit from them more?

Schools can use the days in the year. There are three days we can use.

Sure, but the state won't waive any days unless 3 days have already been added to the end of the school year

That's a pedantic reading. They clearly just mean you have to add 3 days that weren't scheduled. So, the one built-in extra day doesn't count, but the three they add can be whenever.

I mean, they're incredibly specific about it needing to be at the end of the year? If they just meant adding 3 days sometime in the year, they would say that. But instead they say "The local school system has modified its calendar by scheduling school on the make-up days provided in the original calendar and by extending the school year 3 days beyond the previously scheduled closing date."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These are the days listed on the calendar for potential makeup

March 20 (they will avoid because its Eid and they'll cry equity)
April 15
June 18
June 22 - 26 (which is likely what they'll go with... but no one is going to attend particularly since June 19 is Juneteenth and a day off no matter what)

MD also granted waiver for President's Day to be a makeup day potentially.

Ideally I think MCPS should take up MD's offer to do President's Day and also take Lunar New Year so we make up the days on Feb 16 & 17, March 20, and April 15. But it's not going to happen and our kids are all going to just miss out.

The regulation seems to actually put the districts at a disadvantage if they use days within the school year. I agree that making up the days you mentioned is ideal, but it seems that MCPS couldn't qualify for a waiver unless they use three days at the end of the school year.

School was set to end on Wednesday, 6/17.
They could add Thursday, 6/18. (1st additional day)
Friday, 6/19 is Juneteenth, so they can't add that.
They could add Monday, 6/22. (2nd additional day)
They could add Tuesday, 6/23. (3rd additional day).
+This seems to be the requirement to then apply for a waiver of additional days.

Ideally, people should plea with MSDE to allow schools to make up a day on Juneteenth. Then the third day beyond the regular closing date would be a Monday, and the state's language indicates that they can waive the last day if it falls on a Monday.

The requirements are really ridiculous, when clearly it is more productive to make up the days during the year. Why would the state not incentivize districts to make up the days during the school year when attendance can be maximized and students can benefit from them more?

Schools can use the days in the year. There are three days we can use.

Sure, but the state won't waive any days unless 3 days have already been added to the end of the school year

That's a pedantic reading. They clearly just mean you have to add 3 days that weren't scheduled. So, the one built-in extra day doesn't count, but the three they add can be whenever.

I mean, they're incredibly specific about it needing to be at the end of the year? If they just meant adding 3 days sometime in the year, they would say that. But instead they say "The local school system has modified its calendar by scheduling school on the make-up days provided in the original calendar and by extending the school year 3 days beyond the previously scheduled closing date."

You're not wrong that the language is poor, but I'm sure you know that's not what they meant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really hope the State waives some of these days, but in the more recent past, they have not done so.

but other counties in md smartly used virtual learning

No, most counties smartly did not. They have make-up days instead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These are the days listed on the calendar for potential makeup

March 20 (they will avoid because its Eid and they'll cry equity)
April 15
June 18
June 22 - 26 (which is likely what they'll go with... but no one is going to attend particularly since June 19 is Juneteenth and a day off no matter what)

MD also granted waiver for President's Day to be a makeup day potentially.

Ideally I think MCPS should take up MD's offer to do President's Day and also take Lunar New Year so we make up the days on Feb 16 & 17, March 20, and April 15. But it's not going to happen and our kids are all going to just miss out.

The regulation seems to actually put the districts at a disadvantage if they use days within the school year. I agree that making up the days you mentioned is ideal, but it seems that MCPS couldn't qualify for a waiver unless they use three days at the end of the school year.

School was set to end on Wednesday, 6/17.
They could add Thursday, 6/18. (1st additional day)
Friday, 6/19 is Juneteenth, so they can't add that.
They could add Monday, 6/22. (2nd additional day)
They could add Tuesday, 6/23. (3rd additional day).
+This seems to be the requirement to then apply for a waiver of additional days.

Ideally, people should plea with MSDE to allow schools to make up a day on Juneteenth. Then the third day beyond the regular closing date would be a Monday, and the state's language indicates that they can waive the last day if it falls on a Monday.

The requirements are really ridiculous, when clearly it is more productive to make up the days during the year. Why would the state not incentivize districts to make up the days during the school year when attendance can be maximized and students can benefit from them more?

Schools can use the days in the year. There are three days we can use.

Sure, but the state won't waive any days unless 3 days have already been added to the end of the school year

That's a pedantic reading. They clearly just mean you have to add 3 days that weren't scheduled. So, the one built-in extra day doesn't count, but the three they add can be whenever.

I mean, they're incredibly specific about it needing to be at the end of the year? If they just meant adding 3 days sometime in the year, they would say that. But instead they say "The local school system has modified its calendar by scheduling school on the make-up days provided in the original calendar and by extending the school year 3 days beyond the previously scheduled closing date."

You're not wrong that the language is poor, but I'm sure you know that's not what they meant.

I'm not that poster, but I'm not so sure. I think they meant exactly what they wrote. It's the sort of thing I expect from MSDE - poorly thought out regulations with nonsensically specific parameters that take away autonomy, yet somehow are also vague enough to cause confusion - I see it all the time working in the school system whenever we have to do something required by the state

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These are the days listed on the calendar for potential makeup

March 20 (they will avoid because its Eid and they'll cry equity)
April 15
June 18
June 22 - 26 (which is likely what they'll go with... but no one is going to attend particularly since June 19 is Juneteenth and a day off no matter what)

MD also granted waiver for President's Day to be a makeup day potentially.

Ideally I think MCPS should take up MD's offer to do President's Day and also take Lunar New Year so we make up the days on Feb 16 & 17, March 20, and April 15. But it's not going to happen and our kids are all going to just miss out.

The regulation seems to actually put the districts at a disadvantage if they use days within the school year. I agree that making up the days you mentioned is ideal, but it seems that MCPS couldn't qualify for a waiver unless they use three days at the end of the school year.

School was set to end on Wednesday, 6/17.
They could add Thursday, 6/18. (1st additional day)
Friday, 6/19 is Juneteenth, so they can't add that.
They could add Monday, 6/22. (2nd additional day)
They could add Tuesday, 6/23. (3rd additional day).
+This seems to be the requirement to then apply for a waiver of additional days.

Ideally, people should plea with MSDE to allow schools to make up a day on Juneteenth. Then the third day beyond the regular closing date would be a Monday, and the state's language indicates that they can waive the last day if it falls on a Monday.

The requirements are really ridiculous, when clearly it is more productive to make up the days during the year. Why would the state not incentivize districts to make up the days during the school year when attendance can be maximized and students can benefit from them more?

Schools can use the days in the year. There are three days we can use.

Sure, but the state won't waive any days unless 3 days have already been added to the end of the school year

That's a pedantic reading. They clearly just mean you have to add 3 days that weren't scheduled. So, the one built-in extra day doesn't count, but the three they add can be whenever.

I mean, they're incredibly specific about it needing to be at the end of the year? If they just meant adding 3 days sometime in the year, they would say that. But instead they say "The local school system has modified its calendar by scheduling school on the make-up days provided in the original calendar and by extending the school year 3 days beyond the previously scheduled closing date."

You're not wrong that the language is poor, but I'm sure you know that's not what they meant.

So your theory is that the phrase "3 days beyond the previously scheduled closing date" means... what? What else could it possibly mean besides taking the previously scheduled closing date (June 17) and extending the school year 3 days beyond that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We will start summer camps on 6/22, so sorry, our ES kids will not attend.

No need to apologize. MCPS doesn't really care, teachers are totally fine having less kids in class and it's just all for show.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These are the days listed on the calendar for potential makeup

March 20 (they will avoid because its Eid and they'll cry equity)
April 15
June 18
June 22 - 26 (which is likely what they'll go with... but no one is going to attend particularly since June 19 is Juneteenth and a day off no matter what)

MD also granted waiver for President's Day to be a makeup day potentially.

Ideally I think MCPS should take up MD's offer to do President's Day and also take Lunar New Year so we make up the days on Feb 16 & 17, March 20, and April 15. But it's not going to happen and our kids are all going to just miss out.

The regulation seems to actually put the districts at a disadvantage if they use days within the school year. I agree that making up the days you mentioned is ideal, but it seems that MCPS couldn't qualify for a waiver unless they use three days at the end of the school year.

School was set to end on Wednesday, 6/17.
They could add Thursday, 6/18. (1st additional day)
Friday, 6/19 is Juneteenth, so they can't add that.
They could add Monday, 6/22. (2nd additional day)
They could add Tuesday, 6/23. (3rd additional day).
+This seems to be the requirement to then apply for a waiver of additional days.

Ideally, people should plea with MSDE to allow schools to make up a day on Juneteenth. Then the third day beyond the regular closing date would be a Monday, and the state's language indicates that they can waive the last day if it falls on a Monday.

The requirements are really ridiculous, when clearly it is more productive to make up the days during the year. Why would the state not incentivize districts to make up the days during the school year when attendance can be maximized and students can benefit from them more?

Schools can use the days in the year. There are three days we can use.

Sure, but the state won't waive any days unless 3 days have already been added to the end of the school year

That's a pedantic reading. They clearly just mean you have to add 3 days that weren't scheduled. So, the one built-in extra day doesn't count, but the three they add can be whenever.

I mean, they're incredibly specific about it needing to be at the end of the year? If they just meant adding 3 days sometime in the year, they would say that. But instead they say "The local school system has modified its calendar by scheduling school on the make-up days provided in the original calendar and by extending the school year 3 days beyond the previously scheduled closing date."

You're not wrong that the language is poor, but I'm sure you know that's not what they meant.

So your theory is that the phrase "3 days beyond the previously scheduled closing date" means... what? What else could it possibly mean besides taking the previously scheduled closing date (June 17) and extending the school year 3 days beyond that?

They mean three days more than the previous calendar had by the closing date. No, it doesn't say that, but that's clearly that they meant. They're just awful at writing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These are the days listed on the calendar for potential makeup

March 20 (they will avoid because its Eid and they'll cry equity)
April 15
June 18
June 22 - 26 (which is likely what they'll go with... but no one is going to attend particularly since June 19 is Juneteenth and a day off no matter what)

MD also granted waiver for President's Day to be a makeup day potentially.

Ideally I think MCPS should take up MD's offer to do President's Day and also take Lunar New Year so we make up the days on Feb 16 & 17, March 20, and April 15. But it's not going to happen and our kids are all going to just miss out.

The regulation seems to actually put the districts at a disadvantage if they use days within the school year. I agree that making up the days you mentioned is ideal, but it seems that MCPS couldn't qualify for a waiver unless they use three days at the end of the school year.

School was set to end on Wednesday, 6/17.
They could add Thursday, 6/18. (1st additional day)
Friday, 6/19 is Juneteenth, so they can't add that.
They could add Monday, 6/22. (2nd additional day)
They could add Tuesday, 6/23. (3rd additional day).
+This seems to be the requirement to then apply for a waiver of additional days.

Ideally, people should plea with MSDE to allow schools to make up a day on Juneteenth. Then the third day beyond the regular closing date would be a Monday, and the state's language indicates that they can waive the last day if it falls on a Monday.

The requirements are really ridiculous, when clearly it is more productive to make up the days during the year. Why would the state not incentivize districts to make up the days during the school year when attendance can be maximized and students can benefit from them more?

Schools can use the days in the year. There are three days we can use.

Sure, but the state won't waive any days unless 3 days have already been added to the end of the school year

That's a pedantic reading. They clearly just mean you have to add 3 days that weren't scheduled. So, the one built-in extra day doesn't count, but the three they add can be whenever.

I mean, they're incredibly specific about it needing to be at the end of the year? If they just meant adding 3 days sometime in the year, they would say that. But instead they say "The local school system has modified its calendar by scheduling school on the make-up days provided in the original calendar and by extending the school year 3 days beyond the previously scheduled closing date."

You're not wrong that the language is poor, but I'm sure you know that's not what they meant.

So your theory is that the phrase "3 days beyond the previously scheduled closing date" means... what? What else could it possibly mean besides taking the previously scheduled closing date (June 17) and extending the school year 3 days beyond that?

They mean three days more than the previous calendar had by the closing date. No, it doesn't say that, but that's clearly that they meant. They're just awful at writing.

... but the revised calendar will always have less days than the original calendar, not more? The original calendar would have 180 days at minimum, and the whole point of asking for a waiver is to avoid having to make up the full 180 days. Under your interpretation, schools would need to have 183+ days of school before asking for a waiver so as to not need to complete the full 180 days. That doesn't make any sense.

[Anonymous]

Is there a risk that MCPS will use days over Spring Break?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is there a risk that MCPS will use days over Spring Break?

I think the risk is very low but not zero. This situation is unprecedented where we have used so many snow days already, so few built in snow days, no option for virtual, so many calendar-identified “make up” days that are fraught a bit if we try to actually use them, and some recent precedent of the state denying waivers. In every other year we had better options. I would personally use pretty much every other option before touching spring break. You lose a lot of trust if you publish a calendar with identified make up days and then decide to use different days with minimal notice (Spring Break is in less than 2 months), when many students and staff should be able to count on being making plans without consequence.

[Anonymous]

What is April 15 and March 20? I don’t think they will have school on Presidents Day, but maybe pull back Feb 17?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We will start summer camps on 6/22, so sorry, our ES kids will not attend.

Right, most kids won’t attend so it’s pointless. Plus there’s minimal instruction after Memorial Day anyway.
My HS kid is starting a camp counselor position so won’t go either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really hope the State waives some of these days, but in the more recent past, they have not done so.

but other counties in md smartly used virtual learning

No, most counties smartly did not. They have make-up days instead.

Ok? My friend in Annapolis has kids on virtual learning for two days this week

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is April 15 and March 20? I don’t think they will have school on Presidents Day, but maybe pull back Feb 17?

March 20 is a professional development day and April 15 is a grading and planning day. Both are designated as possible makeup days on the calendar.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is April 15 and March 20? I don’t think they will have school on Presidents Day, but maybe pull back Feb 17?

March 20th is Eid Al-Fitr. It is a professional development day for teachers. Both days are planning. April 15 is a grading and planning day for teachers. Both are marked as potential make-up days.