Why do we have such low standards for ICE hiring and training?

[Anonymous]

Because ICE only wants bullies and good ole boy rednecks who live and breathe racism and sexism. Most are probably high school dropouts or, maybe GED.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Law enforcement officers deal with different hazards than hospital staff. I feel weird having to explain that.

I've spent a lot of time in hospitals over the last six months. You know nothing.

[Anonymous]

Nobody wants to workforce ice.duh.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: Nobody wants to workforce ice.duh.

Right?

How trainable is the average person that would voluntarily work for ICE right now?

It’s a step down from mopping at the porno theater.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Nobody wants to workforce ice.duh.

Right?

How trainable is the average person that would voluntarily work for ICE right now?

It’s a step down from mopping at the porno theater.

The pay is far better and you get to wear tactical gear and get a gun and harass anyone you want.

It's really attractive for the very worst people.

[Anonymous]

Minneapolis ICE protester on his 'MICRO PENIS' sign: "It's the kind of energy that ICE gives; it's the guys that were nerds in high school and they're trying to make up for their lack of manhood."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Nobody wants to workforce ice.duh.

Right?

How trainable is the average person that would voluntarily work for ICE right now?

It’s a step down from mopping at the porno theater.

The pay is far better and you get to wear tactical gear and get a gun and harass anyone you want.

It's really attractive for the very worst people.

I saw a member of ICE telling the media that he makes $50k.

I guess that $50k was enough to sell out your country and never be able to get another job again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I work in healthcare. Unfortunately every day, across the country, patients are trying to hit, kick, grope, spit on, assault healthcare staff. I work for a hospital that has an ER with a metal detector, but plenty of hospitals do not and are having to subdue patients not even knowing if they have a weapon. Also FWIW, medications like Haldol are not immediately effective, require coming at a combative patient with a sharp needle while someone holds them down, and may require multiple doses before the patient is subdued.

And yet, there accepted standards and culture healthcare. You do NOT curse at patients. Ever. Cussing out a patient could get you fired whether you are a doctor, nurses aide or hospital security. You don't punch them in the head. Choke holds are banned. Force and restraint are used if necessary, but under the concept of "nonmaleficence" to prevent harm. And yes, there are some horrific examples of violence toward healthcare workers which is worsening over time and speak to a need for increased screening and protection of staff. Our hospital security officers carry guns and we have had shooting scares - someone pulled a gun in the ER or the ICU, etc.

But when I see videos of ICE, it is just jarring. There are zero standards for professionalism, appears to be zero training on how to deescalate a situation. While most of our hospital ecurity are excellent, as a nurse manager, I once kicked a new hospital security officer off of my unit because they were so arrogant and confrontational, they made a bad situation worse. I think of that when I see ICE.

Shouldn't even Republicans want to have basic professionalism standards and adequate training for federal officers?

In healthcare Doctor's run the thing, and they treat their staff like dog poo.

[Anonymous]

ICE agents are thugs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One reason is that the Big Ugly Bill mandated the hiring of at least 10,000 new agents. To get agents out in the field ASAP, standards have to be loosened.

Some of the loosened standards include:

*minimum age changed from 21 to 18--maximum age cap completely removed (used to be upper 30s).

*some recruits have been rushed through the process without passing the physical fitness test, written test, or a background check

*training time has been slashed from approx. 20 weeks to roughly 6–8 weeks

*worryingly, firearms and tactics training were reportedly cut in half to "cut redundancy"

Ok, but shouldn't Republicans care about this? If they are focused on safety for US citizens, this is basically a recipe for disaster. Again, thinking of the one hospital security officer who made a bad situation more unstable and unsafe - but now we have unleashed people like that across the country.

Certainly does not make me feel more safe, whatsoever.

ICE is not making us more safe. A majority of Americans agree with that statement.

And Republicans are not focused on anything for US citizens. They are focused on making billionaires richer.

I don't really care about what a majority of Americans think. A majority of Americans are very lazy in thought and make no effort to seek out all the information on an issue. A majority of Americans want an easy button, be spoonfed narratives, want the shallow "feel good" and are tactical thinkers at best, and certainly not strategic thinkers.

Be angry all you want. But you know I'm correct.

[Anonymous]

We don't.

It's your biased thinking that makes you believe we do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One reason is that the Big Ugly Bill mandated the hiring of at least 10,000 new agents. To get agents out in the field ASAP, standards have to be loosened.

Some of the loosened standards include:

*minimum age changed from 21 to 18--maximum age cap completely removed (used to be upper 30s).

*some recruits have been rushed through the process without passing the physical fitness test, written test, or a background check

*training time has been slashed from approx. 20 weeks to roughly 6–8 weeks

*worryingly, firearms and tactics training were reportedly cut in half to "cut redundancy"

Ok, but shouldn't Republicans care about this? If they are focused on safety for US citizens, this is basically a recipe for disaster. Again, thinking of the one hospital security officer who made a bad situation more unstable and unsafe - but now we have unleashed people like that across the country.

Certainly does not make me feel more safe, whatsoever.

ICE is not making us more safe. A majority of Americans agree with that statement.

And Republicans are not focused on anything for US citizens. They are focused on making billionaires richer.

This is bullshit.

This, just from Minneapolis just in the past few weeks..... ICE has caught and incarcerated or deported hundreds of thousands like these.....

BREAKING: ICE has provided
@FoxNews
a list of the most egregious criminal aliens they've arrested during their surge in the sanctuary state of Minnesota, & it's the most disturbing list I've ever seen, including numerous convicted child rapists/sodomizers & ten convicted killers, most with deportation orders going back many years. Several from Laos, Somalia, and Sudan.

WARNING GRAPHIC - Highlights below:

Sriudorn Phaivan, a Laotian illegal alien convicted of strong-arm sodomy of a boy & strong-arm sodomy of a girl with a deportation order since 2018.

Tou Vang, a Laotian illegal alien convicted of sexual assault and sodomy of a girl under age 13 and procuring a child for prostitution with a deportation order since 2006.

Chong Vue, a Laotian illegal alien convicted of the strong-arm rape of a 12-year-old girl and kidnapping a child with intent to sexually assault her, with a deportation order since 2004,

Ge Yang, a Laotian illegal alien convicted of strong-arm rape, aggravated assault with a weapon, and strangulation with a deportation order since 2012.

Pao Choua Xiong, a Laotian illegal alien convicted of rape and child fondling with a deportation order since 2003.

Kou Lor, a Laotian illegal alien convicted of rape, rape with a weapon, and sexual assault with a deportation order since 1996.

Hernan Cortes-Valencia, Mexican illegal alien convicted of sexual assault of a child and DUI with a deportation order since 2016.

Abdirashid Adosh Elmi, a Somalian illegal alien convicted of homicide.

Gilberto Salguero Landaverde, a Salvadoran illegal alien convicted of three counts of homicide with a deportation order since June 2025.

Gabriel Figueroa Gama, a Mexican illegal convicted of homicide who has been previously deported in 2002.

Galuak Michael Rotgai, a Sudanese illegal alien convicted of homicide.

Thai Lor, a Laotian illegal alien convicted of two counts of homicide with a deportation order since 2009.

Mariana Sia Kanu, an illegal alien from Sierra Leone convicted of two counts of homicide with a deportation order since 2022.

Aldrin Guerrero Munoz, a Mexican illegal alien convicted of homicide with a deportation order since 2015.

Abdirashid Mohamed Ahmed, a Somalian illegal alien convicted of manslaughter with a deportation order since 2022.

Mongong Dual Maniang Deng, a Sudanese illegal alien convicted of attempt to commit homicide, weapon possession, and DUI.

Aler Gomez Lucas, a Guatemalan illegal alien convicted of negligent homicide with a vehicle and DUI with a deportation order since 2022.

Shwe Htoo, a Burmese illegal alien convicted of negligent homicide.

ICE says all of these criminal aliens were roaming freely in the sanctuary state of Minnesota prior to arrest, and that these are the type of people that politicians and activists are referring to as their “neighbors” as they attempt to interfere with ICE.



Statement to
@FoxNews
via ICE Director Todd Lyons:

"Regardless of staged political theatrics, ICE is going to continue to arrest the worst of the worst criminal illegal aliens in Minnesota and elsewhere. Some of these criminal aliens have had final orders of removal for 30 years, but they’ve been free to terrorize Minnesotans. ICE’s arrests prevent recidivism and make communities safer, but it feels like local politicians want to ignore that part and drum up discontent rather than protect their own constituents.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One reason is that the Big Ugly Bill mandated the hiring of at least 10,000 new agents. To get agents out in the field ASAP, standards have to be loosened.

Some of the loosened standards include:

*minimum age changed from 21 to 18--maximum age cap completely removed (used to be upper 30s).

*some recruits have been rushed through the process without passing the physical fitness test, written test, or a background check

*training time has been slashed from approx. 20 weeks to roughly 6–8 weeks

*worryingly, firearms and tactics training were reportedly cut in half to "cut redundancy"

Ok, but shouldn't Republicans care about this? If they are focused on safety for US citizens, this is basically a recipe for disaster. Again, thinking of the one hospital security officer who made a bad situation more unstable and unsafe - but now we have unleashed people like that across the country.

Certainly does not make me feel more safe, whatsoever.

ICE is not making us more safe. A majority of Americans agree with that statement.

And Republicans are not focused on anything for US citizens. They are focused on making billionaires richer.

I don't really care about what a majority of Americans think. A majority of Americans are very lazy in thought and make no effort to seek out all the information on an issue. A majority of Americans want an easy button, be spoonfed narratives, want the shallow "feel good" and are tactical thinkers at best, and certainly not strategic thinkers.

Be angry all you want. But you know I'm correct.

To be clear, another thread showed research that liberals are far more likely to seek out and research opposing viewpoints than conservatives. So whatever you claimed about being spoonfed narratives, well research shows that is Republicans, like it or not. If you want a receipt, happy to provide.

-Liberal who reads conservative sources including Fox News, National Review, heck even Babylon Bee.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We don't.

It's your biased thinking that makes you believe we do.

These are widely reported facts that ICE has changed their standards over the last 12 or so months.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One reason is that the Big Ugly Bill mandated the hiring of at least 10,000 new agents. To get agents out in the field ASAP, standards have to be loosened.

Some of the loosened standards include:

*minimum age changed from 21 to 18--maximum age cap completely removed (used to be upper 30s).

*some recruits have been rushed through the process without passing the physical fitness test, written test, or a background check

*training time has been slashed from approx. 20 weeks to roughly 6–8 weeks

*worryingly, firearms and tactics training were reportedly cut in half to "cut redundancy"

Ok, but shouldn't Republicans care about this? If they are focused on safety for US citizens, this is basically a recipe for disaster. Again, thinking of the one hospital security officer who made a bad situation more unstable and unsafe - but now we have unleashed people like that across the country.

Certainly does not make me feel more safe, whatsoever.

ICE is not making us more safe. A majority of Americans agree with that statement.

And Republicans are not focused on anything for US citizens. They are focused on making billionaires richer.

This is bullshit.

This, just from Minneapolis just in the past few weeks..... ICE has caught and incarcerated or deported hundreds of thousands like these.....

BREAKING: ICE has provided
@FoxNews
a list of the most egregious criminal aliens they've arrested during their surge in the sanctuary state of Minnesota, & it's the most disturbing list I've ever seen, including numerous convicted child rapists/sodomizers & ten convicted killers, most with deportation orders going back many years. Several from Laos, Somalia, and Sudan.

WARNING GRAPHIC - Highlights below:

Sriudorn Phaivan, a Laotian illegal alien convicted of strong-arm sodomy of a boy & strong-arm sodomy of a girl with a deportation order since 2018.

Tou Vang, a Laotian illegal alien convicted of sexual assault and sodomy of a girl under age 13 and procuring a child for prostitution with a deportation order since 2006.

Chong Vue, a Laotian illegal alien convicted of the strong-arm rape of a 12-year-old girl and kidnapping a child with intent to sexually assault her, with a deportation order since 2004,

Ge Yang, a Laotian illegal alien convicted of strong-arm rape, aggravated assault with a weapon, and strangulation with a deportation order since 2012.

Pao Choua Xiong, a Laotian illegal alien convicted of rape and child fondling with a deportation order since 2003.

Kou Lor, a Laotian illegal alien convicted of rape, rape with a weapon, and sexual assault with a deportation order since 1996.

Hernan Cortes-Valencia, Mexican illegal alien convicted of sexual assault of a child and DUI with a deportation order since 2016.

Abdirashid Adosh Elmi, a Somalian illegal alien convicted of homicide.

Gilberto Salguero Landaverde, a Salvadoran illegal alien convicted of three counts of homicide with a deportation order since June 2025.

Gabriel Figueroa Gama, a Mexican illegal convicted of homicide who has been previously deported in 2002.

Galuak Michael Rotgai, a Sudanese illegal alien convicted of homicide.

Thai Lor, a Laotian illegal alien convicted of two counts of homicide with a deportation order since 2009.

Mariana Sia Kanu, an illegal alien from Sierra Leone convicted of two counts of homicide with a deportation order since 2022.

Aldrin Guerrero Munoz, a Mexican illegal alien convicted of homicide with a deportation order since 2015.

Abdirashid Mohamed Ahmed, a Somalian illegal alien convicted of manslaughter with a deportation order since 2022.

Mongong Dual Maniang Deng, a Sudanese illegal alien convicted of attempt to commit homicide, weapon possession, and DUI.

Aler Gomez Lucas, a Guatemalan illegal alien convicted of negligent homicide with a vehicle and DUI with a deportation order since 2022.

Shwe Htoo, a Burmese illegal alien convicted of negligent homicide.

ICE says all of these criminal aliens were roaming freely in the sanctuary state of Minnesota prior to arrest, and that these are the type of people that politicians and activists are referring to as their “neighbors” as they attempt to interfere with ICE.



Statement to
@FoxNews
via ICE Director Todd Lyons:

"Regardless of staged political theatrics, ICE is going to continue to arrest the worst of the worst criminal illegal aliens in Minnesota and elsewhere. Some of these criminal aliens have had final orders of removal for 30 years, but they’ve been free to terrorize Minnesotans. ICE’s arrests prevent recidivism and make communities safer, but it feels like local politicians want to ignore that part and drum up discontent rather than protect their own constituents.”

OP here. This really does not address the point of my thread whatsoever.