Pete Hegseth's pastor...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:we think of slavery as the odious and indefensible North Atlantic slave trade, but Abraham had slaves. I mean what was Hagar but a slave? I can't be bothered to look them up right now, but there are numerous passages in the Bible that condone the practice of slavery.

We think of slavery as odious and indefensible because it is. Slavery deprives a human being of free will and self determination. It treats people as property and deprives people of their humanity. Even slavers understand that slavery is dehumanizing because slavers almost never choose to enslave groups with whom they self identify -- throughout history, slavery has been practice imposed on racial and ethnic minorities deemed as less evolved and more animalistic than the ruling majority, in order to justify treating them in this way.

The fact that the Bible frequently condones slavery (or is like "well just treat your slaves nicely, please") is a good reason to be skeptical about strict, originalist interpretations of the Bible, especially the Old Testament. Which has all kinds of crazy practices, including human sacrifice, polygamy, and other things we now reject.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He also preaches taking away voting rights from women. He is a despicable POS.

MAGA gonna MAGA

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:we think of slavery as the odious and indefensible North Atlantic slave trade, but Abraham had slaves. I mean what was Hagar but a slave? I can't be bothered to look them up right now, but there are numerous passages in the Bible that condone the practice of slavery.

We think of slavery as odious and indefensible because it is. Slavery deprives a human being of free will and self determination. It treats people as property and deprives people of their humanity. Even slavers understand that slavery is dehumanizing because slavers almost never choose to enslave groups with whom they self identify -- throughout history, slavery has been practice imposed on racial and ethnic minorities deemed as less evolved and more animalistic than the ruling majority, in order to justify treating them in this way.

The fact that the Bible frequently condones slavery (or is like "well just treat your slaves nicely, please") is a good reason to be skeptical about strict, originalist interpretations of the Bible, especially the Old Testament. Which has all kinds of crazy practices, including human sacrifice, polygamy, and other things we now reject.

Anyone using anything from the Bible should be skeptical. It has repeatedly been proven to be a collection of myths.

[Anonymous]

Maybe we should go back to polygamy too, that was in the Bible. Lots of kinky sex stuff in the Bible. As well as keeping concubines.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:we think of slavery as the odious and indefensible North Atlantic slave trade, but Abraham had slaves. I mean what was Hagar but a slave? I can't be bothered to look them up right now, but there are numerous passages in the Bible that condone the practice of slavery.

Correct. And the Southern Slave owners referred to those passages to condone having their own slaves in the 19th century.

[Anonymous]

At least he is telling the truth about what the Bible says about slavery.

[Anonymous]

People who say this is okay always imagine themselves as the slave owners, not as the enslaved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People who say this is okay always imagine themselves as the slave owners, not as the enslaved.

Some very fine people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:we think of slavery as the odious and indefensible North Atlantic slave trade, but Abraham had slaves. I mean what was Hagar but a slave? I can't be bothered to look them up right now, but there are numerous passages in the Bible that condone the practice of slavery.

You’re too literal. Should I also think it was okay for Abraham to willingly slaughter his son Isaac as a sacrifice on the alter.

[Anonymous]

I am a very strong Christian and someone whose Christian faith is the center of my life.

Simply put, this guy is completely wrong and misrepresents everything that true Christianity stands for and believes in. It is certainly not the Jesus who is in the Gospels and then the Christian faith that we see Paul write about throughout the New Testament. Do we see the fruit of the spirit in what this guy is saying?

Btw, every serious Christian I know considers this guy a total fringe character who should be called out for his unbiblical beliefs. So that’s why I am saying something here.

If you want a true representative of Christianity, check out Tim Keller. He has the most thought provoking sermons and is completely true to the Bible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am a very strong Christian and someone whose Christian faith is the center of my life.

Simply put, this guy is completely wrong and misrepresents everything that true Christianity stands for and believes in. It is certainly not the Jesus who is in the Gospels and then the Christian faith that we see Paul write about throughout the New Testament. Do we see the fruit of the spirit in what this guy is saying?

Btw, every serious Christian I know considers this guy a total fringe character who should be called out for his unbiblical beliefs. So that’s why I am saying something here.

If you want a true representative of Christianity, check out Tim Keller. He has the most thought provoking sermons and is completely true to the Bible.

PP is Cherry picking. Too bad that Christians do it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a very strong Christian and someone whose Christian faith is the center of my life.

Simply put, this guy is completely wrong and misrepresents everything that true Christianity stands for and believes in. It is certainly not the Jesus who is in the Gospels and then the Christian faith that we see Paul write about throughout the New Testament. Do we see the fruit of the spirit in what this guy is saying?

Btw, every serious Christian I know considers this guy a total fringe character who should be called out for his unbiblical beliefs. So that’s why I am saying something here.

If you want a true representative of Christianity, check out Tim Keller. He has the most thought provoking sermons and is completely true to the Bible.

PP is Cherry picking. Too bad that Christians do it.

What are you talking about? pp is 100% correct.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a very strong Christian and someone whose Christian faith is the center of my life.

Simply put, this guy is completely wrong and misrepresents everything that true Christianity stands for and believes in. It is certainly not the Jesus who is in the Gospels and then the Christian faith that we see Paul write about throughout the New Testament. Do we see the fruit of the spirit in what this guy is saying?

Btw, every serious Christian I know considers this guy a total fringe character who should be called out for his unbiblical beliefs. So that’s why I am saying something here.

If you want a true representative of Christianity, check out Tim Keller. He has the most thought provoking sermons and is completely true to the Bible.

PP is Cherry picking. Too bad that Christians do it.

What are you talking about? pp is 100% correct.

Sorry, but no. It's a matter of opinion. Not all Christians agree about everything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a very strong Christian and someone whose Christian faith is the center of my life.

Simply put, this guy is completely wrong and misrepresents everything that true Christianity stands for and believes in. It is certainly not the Jesus who is in the Gospels and then the Christian faith that we see Paul write about throughout the New Testament. Do we see the fruit of the spirit in what this guy is saying?

Btw, every serious Christian I know considers this guy a total fringe character who should be called out for his unbiblical beliefs. So that’s why I am saying something here.

If you want a true representative of Christianity, check out Tim Keller. He has the most thought provoking sermons and is completely true to the Bible.

PP is Cherry picking. Too bad that Christians do it.

What are you talking about? pp is 100% correct.

Sorry, but no. It's a matter of opinion. Not all Christians agree about everything.

What are you disputing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:we think of slavery as the odious and indefensible North Atlantic slave trade, but Abraham had slaves. I mean what was Hagar but a slave? I can't be bothered to look them up right now, but there are numerous passages in the Bible that condone the practice of slavery.

We think of slavery as odious and indefensible because it is. Slavery deprives a human being of free will and self determination. It treats people as property and deprives people of their humanity. Even slavers understand that slavery is dehumanizing because slavers almost never choose to enslave groups with whom they self identify -- throughout history, slavery has been practice imposed on racial and ethnic minorities deemed as less evolved and more animalistic than the ruling majority, in order to justify treating them in this way.

The fact that the Bible frequently condones slavery (or is like "well just treat your slaves nicely, please") is a good reason to be skeptical about strict, originalist interpretations of the Bible, especially the Old Testament. Which has all kinds of crazy practices, including human sacrifice, polygamy, and other things we now reject.

The whole point of the New Testament was to break the covenant of the Old Testament. This pastor is not only a fascist but also completely uneducated about his own faith. Meanwhile there are approximately zero Jewish scholars or theologians who would say the Torah somehow blesses 19th century chattel slavery.