Why cannot Blue states refuse to pay taxes to the Federal govt.?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is a blue state these days? My home state of Michigan has gotten more red. Sure, Gov. Whitmer is a Dem, whose star was rising until she released a few videos and held a folder in front her face at the WH, proving she was as looney as the other side.

So many red states have blue urban metro areas. Would it be worth taking down programs for the people in those places in red states?

Yes. Burn it down. Let’s see how the red states functions without cities.

[Anonymous]

Shhhhh. Democrats are speaking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is mostly individuals who are paying those taxes, not the states, so it would be up to individual taxpayers to decide to withhold. And given the regime's (ICE) Stasi forces on the ground, it is hard to know if it is worth the risk.

Even more, it is businesses that pay income taxes via W-2 withholding. Many of these businesses operate in multiple states. There’s no way corporate lawyers are going to okay doing away with withholding.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This would be a major part of a soft secession and people are starting to talk about it.

States could forbid payroll processing that automatically sends wage and salary deductions to the IRS. And then it would be up to individuals to pay. For many people, just once per year.

+1. Something like this. I'd advocate for the states to require you file your state income tax return, along with your federal, first, via mail or an electronic system that goes to the state government first. The state withholds taxes equivalent to what their citizens send to the federal government. The key is that the states have to structure this so the IRS doesn't have a good case against the average citizen. You need the fight to be over the states' actions.

"Taxation without representation" is pretty a fundamental American principle.

[Anonymous]

Mmm, I could buy a lot of guns and ammo for what I'd be saving in taxes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Any time the Orange clown does something out of line we should stop paying and apply pressure. We are cowards! Total scardy cats!

I agree. We who live in Blue states, who pay far more in taxes than the Red states, should just escrow our tax money. The money Trump is withholding from Blue states has already been approved by Congress. If he is illegally withholding federal money from Blue states, those Blue states should withhold money and use that money to replace the money Trump is illegally withholding. It makes sense. It's OUR tax dollars he's withholding. Keep it in the state.

Trump isn't just withholding, he is sending billions to his cronies in Argentina and elewhere.

That’s just it. How many Americans regardless of party file they income taxes hoping with fingers crossed that some of that money will go to Argentina.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All the revenues come from blue states. We never apply any pressure! We have so much leverage and we never use it!

If the govt. is shut down and we are not recieving Federal govt. dollars neither should the Federal govt.

We never apply the same leverage we have like the Republicans. We are cowards? acardy cats! They would be doing that right now if they were the big tax payers.

I guess this secessionist line(s) of reasoning like this presume that Democrats are unable to win votes or establish a reasonable platform.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the revenues come from blue states. We never apply any pressure! We have so much leverage and we never use it!

If the govt. is shut down and we are not recieving Federal govt. dollars neither should the Federal govt.

We never apply the same leverage we have like the Republicans. We are cowards? acardy cats! They would be doing that right now if they were the big tax payers.

I guess this secessionist line(s) of reasoning like this presume that Democrats are unable to win votes or establish a reasonable platform.

Democrats are overperforming all over the country in 2025. Have you not been paying attention? Why else do you think so much effort was put into redistricting Texas?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the revenues come from blue states. We never apply any pressure! We have so much leverage and we never use it!

If the govt. is shut down and we are not recieving Federal govt. dollars neither should the Federal govt.

We never apply the same leverage we have like the Republicans. We are cowards? acardy cats! They would be doing that right now if they were the big tax payers.

I guess this secessionist line(s) of reasoning like this presume that Democrats are unable to win votes or establish a reasonable platform.

Or we want to use every tool available just like the GOP does. See you in court.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the revenues come from blue states. We never apply any pressure! We have so much leverage and we never use it!

If the govt. is shut down and we are not recieving Federal govt. dollars neither should the Federal govt.

We never apply the same leverage we have like the Republicans. We are cowards? acardy cats! They would be doing that right now if they were the big tax payers.

I guess this secessionist line(s) of reasoning like this presume that Democrats are unable to win votes or establish a reasonable platform.

Democrats are overperforming all over the country in 2025. Have you not been paying attention? Why else do you think so much effort was put into redistricting Texas?

I see.

Democrats see voter registration drop in 30 states

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/democrats-see-voter-registration-drop-in-30-states/ar-AA1KWKkg

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/20/us/politics/democratic-party-voter-registration-crisis.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the revenues come from blue states. We never apply any pressure! We have so much leverage and we never use it!

If the govt. is shut down and we are not recieving Federal govt. dollars neither should the Federal govt.

We never apply the same leverage we have like the Republicans. We are cowards? acardy cats! They would be doing that right now if they were the big tax payers.

I guess this secessionist line(s) of reasoning like this presume that Democrats are unable to win votes or establish a reasonable platform.

You must have missed the part where the President is illegally redirecting and impounding funds that were appropriated by Congress.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the revenues come from blue states. We never apply any pressure! We have so much leverage and we never use it!

If the govt. is shut down and we are not recieving Federal govt. dollars neither should the Federal govt.

We never apply the same leverage we have like the Republicans. We are cowards? acardy cats! They would be doing that right now if they were the big tax payers.

I guess this secessionist line(s) of reasoning like this presume that Democrats are unable to win votes or establish a reasonable platform.

Democrats are overperforming all over the country in 2025. Have you not been paying attention? Why else do you think so much effort was put into redistricting Texas?

I see.

Democrats see voter registration drop in 30 states

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/democrats-see-voter-registration-drop-in-30-states/ar-AA1KWKkg

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/20/us/politics/democratic-party-voter-registration-crisis.html

Pp meant "performance" in the theatrical sense. Haven't you seen all those inflatable costumes?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This would be a major part of a soft secession and people are starting to talk about it.

States could forbid payroll processing that automatically sends wage and salary deductions to the IRS. And then it would be up to individuals to pay. For many people, just once per year.

+1. Something like this. I'd advocate for the states to require you file your state income tax return, along with your federal, first, via mail or an electronic system that goes to the state government first. The state withholds taxes equivalent to what their citizens send to the federal government. The key is that the states have to structure this so the IRS doesn't have a good case against the average citizen. You need the fight to be over the states' actions.

"Taxation without representation" is pretty a fundamental American principle.

This is such nonsense. Have you ever heard of the Supremacy Clause ? Any state scheme to interfere with federal tax collections would be deemed unconstitutional. And, it would not remove the federal tax debt for individuals, the Feds still want their money.

[Anonymous]

NP. Whenever I read posts like this, I know the author is white and they are profoundly racist. It is so sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This would be a major part of a soft secession and people are starting to talk about it.

States could forbid payroll processing that automatically sends wage and salary deductions to the IRS. And then it would be up to individuals to pay. For many people, just once per year.

+1. Something like this. I'd advocate for the states to require you file your state income tax return, along with your federal, first, via mail or an electronic system that goes to the state government first. The state withholds taxes equivalent to what their citizens send to the federal government. The key is that the states have to structure this so the IRS doesn't have a good case against the average citizen. You need the fight to be over the states' actions.

"Taxation without representation" is pretty a fundamental American principle.

This is such nonsense. Have you ever heard of the Supremacy Clause ? Any state scheme to interfere with federal tax collections would be deemed unconstitutional. And, it would not remove the federal tax debt for individuals, the Feds still want their money.

Perhaps a more workable scheme would be for Democrats to join Republicans in pushing for broader Federal tax cuts and closing or shrinking of Federal agencies. Blue states could then form compacts to shift those agency functions (and tax base) to the state level. For example, the northeast could have its own NIH, CDC, and NSF free from Federal oversight or interference.