IQ and talent are often overrated.

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Anonymous wrote:Perhaps the worst are the mediocre parents desperately trying to rebrand their children as exceptional.

Ooooh--that's a good idea ! Thank you !!!

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Anonymous wrote:The individuals who have truly made lasting contributions to society typically did so through decades of hard work and persistence. They don't need prestigious colleges or competition awards to justify their passions. Yet, people (yes you DCUM helicopter parents) often obsess over IQ or elite university admissions mostly for vanity—to show off their children. The same mindset applies to the Ivy League obsession. Yes, your child might be brilliant—so what?

The reality is that many Ivy League graduates end up chasing careers in investment banking or tech, more focused on personal gain than on advancing humanity. It’s less about purpose and more about prestige and profit. Look at those frauds....

So? What is your point? You seem to have unresolved anger issues.

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Anonymous wrote:The individuals who have truly made lasting contributions to society typically did so through decades of hard work and persistence. They don't need prestigious colleges or competition awards to justify their passions. Yet, people (yes you DCUM helicopter parents) often obsess over IQ or elite university admissions mostly for vanity—to show off their children. The same mindset applies to the Ivy League obsession. Yes, your child might be brilliant—so what?

The reality is that many Ivy League graduates end up chasing careers in investment banking or tech, more focused on personal gain than on advancing humanity. It’s less about purpose and more about prestige and profit. Look at those frauds....

People who have made lasting contributions started out with a high level of intelligence/talent and then put in the hard work and persistence required. All the hard work in the world will go nowhere without underlying intelligence/talent.

+1

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Oh his not another bashing Ivy League students and grads.

Why do you care????

Let it go.

Your kid isn’t going to one. It’s okay.

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Anonymous wrote:Mmmkay. Well my ivy kid loves the school, works hard, gets many opportunities due to just being a student there. They enjoy being around a lot of other high IQ talented kids and there is nothing wrong with fitting in in that environment and choosing it

No, but your talented, smart kid likely would be able to fit in and excel at life at almost any school. They'd find a group of similar students at most schools in the T50-100 rankings.

DP. Kids pick ivies to be in a school with a majority of highly gifted kids(98-99%ile). Pre-test optional only about 12 privates in the country fit this metric. Anyone who has taught 99%ile kids vs 90th knows they are quite different. There is not a similar percentage of 98-99%ile kids at T50-T100. Not even close.

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People who have made lasting contributions started out with a high level of intelligence/talent and then put in the hard work and persistence required. All the hard work in the world will go nowhere without underlying intelligence/talent.

These days, it's difficult to find schools that truly reflect authentic merit and intelligence. There's simply too much parental interference and over-packaging. Maybe even the teaching faculty are not too far from _branding_

Maybe so, but the post you’re replying to is about people who make lasting contributions to society, with no reference to schools. The school someone attends, or doesn’t attend, has nothing to do with what kind of contribution they make to society.

The post above is saying that the people who make lasting contributions have hard work/persistence and intelligence/talent, not one or the other.

I would believe this if colleges stop holistic admissions for the sake of merits

Again, the post you are replying to is not about colleges. Simply the fact that great and lasting contributions to society require more than just hard work/persistence. A great contributor needs to work very hard and also be very intelligent/talented. Hard work can not make up for a lower IQ.

Nothing to do with college or college admissions. Just facts of life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The individuals who have truly made lasting contributions to society typically did so through decades of hard work and persistence. They don't need prestigious colleges or competition awards to justify their passions. Yet, people (yes you DCUM helicopter parents) often obsess over IQ or elite university admissions mostly for vanity—to show off their children. The same mindset applies to the Ivy League obsession. Yes, your child might be brilliant—so what?

The reality is that many Ivy League graduates end up chasing careers in investment banking or tech, more focused on personal gain than on advancing humanity. It’s less about purpose and more about prestige and profit. Look at those frauds....

TL;DR

Both matter

[Anonymous]

IQ? Really?

Einstein, Edison, Gates, Curie, Galileo, Turing, Hawking, Newton….

Ummm IQ is extremely important.

Americans have gotten so dumb with the reality tv and social media idiots.

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People who have made lasting contributions started out with a high level of intelligence/talent and then put in the hard work and persistence required. All the hard work in the world will go nowhere without underlying intelligence/talent.

These days, it's difficult to find schools that truly reflect authentic merit and intelligence. There's simply too much parental interference and over-packaging. Maybe even the teaching faculty are not too far from _branding_

Maybe so, but the post you’re replying to is about people who make lasting contributions to society, with no reference to schools. The school someone attends, or doesn’t attend, has nothing to do with what kind of contribution they make to society.

The post above is saying that the people who make lasting contributions have hard work/persistence and intelligence/talent, not one or the other.

I would believe this if colleges stop holistic admissions for the sake of merits

Again, the post you are replying to is not about colleges. Simply the fact that great and lasting contributions to society require more than just hard work/persistence. A great contributor needs to work very hard and also be very intelligent/talented. Hard work can not make up for a lower IQ.

Nothing to do with college or college admissions. Just facts of life.

Uh, the OP posted it in the Colleges and Universities forum.

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People who have made lasting contributions started out with a high level of intelligence/talent and then put in the hard work and persistence required. All the hard work in the world will go nowhere without underlying intelligence/talent.

These days, it's difficult to find schools that truly reflect authentic merit and intelligence. There's simply too much parental interference and over-packaging. Maybe even the teaching faculty are not too far from _branding_

Maybe so, but the post you’re replying to is about people who make lasting contributions to society, with no reference to schools. The school someone attends, or doesn’t attend, has nothing to do with what kind of contribution they make to society.

The post above is saying that the people who make lasting contributions have hard work/persistence and intelligence/talent, not one or the other.

I would believe this if colleges stop holistic admissions for the sake of merits

Again, the post you are replying to is not about colleges. Simply the fact that great and lasting contributions to society require more than just hard work/persistence. A great contributor needs to work very hard and also be very intelligent/talented. Hard work can not make up for a lower IQ.

Nothing to do with college or college admissions. Just facts of life.

Uh, the OP posted it in the Colleges and Universities forum.

Sure, but this poster is just pointing out the fact that whether or not someone has talent or works hard has nothing to do with with what college they go to.

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People who have made lasting contributions started out with a high level of intelligence/talent and then put in the hard work and persistence required. All the hard work in the world will go nowhere without underlying intelligence/talent.

These days, it's difficult to find schools that truly reflect authentic merit and intelligence. There's simply too much parental interference and over-packaging. Maybe even the teaching faculty are not too far from _branding_

Maybe so, but the post you’re replying to is about people who make lasting contributions to society, with no reference to schools. The school someone attends, or doesn’t attend, has nothing to do with what kind of contribution they make to society.

The post above is saying that the people who make lasting contributions have hard work/persistence and intelligence/talent, not one or the other.

I would believe this if colleges stop holistic admissions for the sake of merits

Again, the post you are replying to is not about colleges. Simply the fact that great and lasting contributions to society require more than just hard work/persistence. A great contributor needs to work very hard and also be very intelligent/talented. Hard work can not make up for a lower IQ.

Nothing to do with college or college admissions. Just facts of life.

Uh, the OP posted it in the Colleges and Universities forum.

Sure, but this poster is just pointing out the fact that whether or not someone has talent or works hard has nothing to do with with what college they go to.

That’s not their conclusion at all. They are trying to argue (in the college forum - probably because their kid is not going to do well in the college sweepstakes so are trying to justify their existence) that those who contribute to society didn’t necessarily go to a great school or have a high IQ.

Ok. Insipid post for the day. Of course there are some people like that. But, of course, the very high testers, IQ and GPA kids at top schools will trampoline out of tgeir top
Institutions to do great things … much more likely than out of Cal State Fullerton

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People who have made lasting contributions started out with a high level of intelligence/talent and then put in the hard work and persistence required. All the hard work in the world will go nowhere without underlying intelligence/talent.

These days, it's difficult to find schools that truly reflect authentic merit and intelligence. There's simply too much parental interference and over-packaging. Maybe even the teaching faculty are not too far from _branding_

Maybe so, but the post you’re replying to is about people who make lasting contributions to society, with no reference to schools. The school someone attends, or doesn’t attend, has nothing to do with what kind of contribution they make to society.

The post above is saying that the people who make lasting contributions have hard work/persistence and intelligence/talent, not one or the other.

I would believe this if colleges stop holistic admissions for the sake of merits

Again, the post you are replying to is not about colleges. Simply the fact that great and lasting contributions to society require more than just hard work/persistence. A great contributor needs to work very hard and also be very intelligent/talented. Hard work can not make up for a lower IQ.

Nothing to do with college or college admissions. Just facts of life.

Uh, the OP posted it in the Colleges and Universities forum.

Sure, but this poster is just pointing out the fact that whether or not someone has talent or works hard has nothing to do with with what college they go to.

That’s not their conclusion at all. They are trying to argue (in the college forum - probably because their kid is not going to do well in the college sweepstakes so are trying to justify their existence) that those who contribute to society didn’t necessarily go to a great school or have a high IQ.

Ok. Insipid post for the day. Of course there are some people like that. But, of course, the very high testers, IQ and GPA kids at top schools will trampoline out of tgeir top
Institutions to do great things … much more likely than out of Cal State Fullerton

Of course right? Like Sam Altman can't wait to make sure you and your children don't work, isn't that great?

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People who have made lasting contributions started out with a high level of intelligence/talent and then put in the hard work and persistence required. All the hard work in the world will go nowhere without underlying intelligence/talent.

These days, it's difficult to find schools that truly reflect authentic merit and intelligence. There's simply too much parental interference and over-packaging. Maybe even the teaching faculty are not too far from _branding_

Caltech and Reed

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Anonymous wrote:Mmmkay. Well my ivy kid loves the school, works hard, gets many opportunities due to just being a student there. They enjoy being around a lot of other high IQ talented kids and there is nothing wrong with fitting in in that environment and choosing it

No, but your talented, smart kid likely would be able to fit in and excel at life at almost any school. They'd find a group of similar students at most schools in the T50-100 rankings.

There is not a similar percentage of 98-99%ile kids at T50-T100. Not even close.

Sure. Percentage-wise there is not. But even an SEC school, by simply having 10 times more students, has a similar number of 98-99%ile kids to an Ivy. Think Alabama or Oklahoma who bought their NMFs. These smart kids are just surrounded by many mediocre and dumb ones. So please don't think Ivies have a monopoly over intelligence. They don't.

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People who have made lasting contributions started out with a high level of intelligence/talent and then put in the hard work and persistence required. All the hard work in the world will go nowhere without underlying intelligence/talent.

These days, it's difficult to find schools that truly reflect authentic merit and intelligence. There's simply too much parental interference and over-packaging. Maybe even the teaching faculty are not too far from _branding_

Caltech and Reed

Reed students have pretty low stats. What’s meritous about it?