Cambridge University student on “elite” educations of members of Congress

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Adam Schiff & Cory Booker have great educational credentials, & you couldn’t find two bigger imbeciles.


I've worked with Corey Booker and he's brilliant. What are your credentials and what do your co-workers say about you?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Everyone's favorite Vandy is only rate "elite" by Cambridge for its law school - not its undergrad.

How did Smith and Vassar make the cut as elite for undergrad, but not Barnard?

Good to see WashU. Where are Emory, NYU and Tufts?


Great school!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:This is an interesting research paper for many reasons, but I thought its compilation of which schools are “elite” at the undergraduate, law and business levels would be fun to share and for everyone to argue with.

A few quick observations about undergraduate schools.

1. Not a single state school is considered “elite” at the undergraduate level. UVA, Berkeley, Michigan, UCLA, UNC and Texas are only considered elite at the grad level.

2. Notre Dame is elite at the undergrad level, but Georgetown and Vanderbilt are not. Only their law schools are considered elite.

3. Grinnell and Carleton are the only elite liberal arts colleges in the Midwest — none of the Ohio (Oberlin, Denison, Kenyon) is considered elite.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/article/on-the-decline-of-eliteeducated-republicans-in-congress/B50B628CA9CCC799A0D86D9496EA3F6F


Why is this surprising? The ones they list as elite are the ones most people consider elite plus a few borderline ones, and the ones that are targeted by elite companies. Publics are not elite for undergrad because they lower the standard to take a large group in state: they do not have nearly the same peer quality as the top10-15 privates. Any professor could tell you that.
Anonymous
Here is their list of the undergraduate “elite”:

Amherst
Bowdoin
Brown
Cal Tech
Carleton
Claremont McKenna
Colgate
Columbia
Cornell
Dartmouth
Davidson
Duke
Grinnell
Harvard
Haverford
Hopkins
MIT
Middlebury
Northwestern
Pomona
Princeton
Rice
Smith
Stanford
Swarthmore
UChicago
UNotre Dane
UPenn
Vassar
Washington & Lee
WashU
Wellesley
Wesleyan
Williams
Yale
Anonymous
Good to see Washington & Lee
Anonymous
No Georgetown, no Northeastern, No NYU, No Tulane, No Vandy, No Kenyon, No Denison, No Emory, none of the second tiers that the DMV private school parents have convinced themselves are now “elite”
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Here is their list of the undergraduate “elite”:

Amherst
Bowdoin
Brown
Cal Tech
Carleton
Claremont McKenna
Colgate
Columbia
Cornell
Dartmouth
Davidson
Duke
Grinnell
Harvard
Haverford
Hopkins
MIT
Middlebury
Northwestern
Pomona
Princeton
Rice
Smith
Stanford
Swarthmore
UChicago
Notre Dame
UPenn
Vassar
Washington & Lee
WashU
Wellesley
Wesleyan
Williams
Yale


It's actually a pretty good list. There might be an argument to be made to add a few more schools but there isn't a single school in that list which doesn't belong there. The problems arise where people try to argue that one or some of these schools are somehow better than the others because for undergraduate education not a single school on this list is actually better than any of the others.
Anonymous
Georgetown, UVA, and Vanderbilt are still excellent undergraduate schools and arguably would have had their undergraduate schools included if the methodology was slightly altered.

Essentially, the author decided to focus on the frequency of occurrences in USNWR top 20 instead of 25 over some number of years. While Vanderbilt has ranked well into the top 20 for most of the past decade, it was ranked between 20-25 in the 1990s. Georgetown has consistently ranked in the top 20-25, and UVA has hovered around 25.

I don’t think this means much, especially when you consider the LACs included, which if slotted in among national universities in USNWR national university rankings might rank lower than Georgetown, Vanderbilt, and UVA.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Adam Schiff & Cory Booker have great educational credentials, & you couldn’t find two bigger imbeciles.


I wish the maga morons would identify themselves so I can treat their posts with the attention they deserve


Unfortunately the previous poster is correct. Adam Schiff is a terrible person who blatantly lies while clearly deluding himself into thinking he is right. I would not hold himself up as an ideal of elite education.

-- double Ivy grad who finds this paper silly and meaningless.
Anonymous
Remove these:
Bowdoin
Carleton
Colgate
Davidson
Haverford
Smith
Washington and Lee
Wesleyan ( may be)
Anonymous
Omission of Vanderbilt is understandable
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Remove these:
Bowdoin
Carleton
Colgate
Davidson
Haverford
Smith
Washington and Lee
Wesleyan ( may be)


Ha! So you only like the author’s method when they select your favorite institutions? Sorry, but all your deletions are elite schools.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Georgetown, UVA, and Vanderbilt are still excellent undergraduate schools and arguably would have had their undergraduate schools included if the methodology was slightly altered.

Essentially, the author decided to focus on the frequency of occurrences in USNWR top 20 instead of 25 over some number of years. While Vanderbilt has ranked well into the top 20 for most of the past decade, it was ranked between 20-25 in the 1990s. Georgetown has consistently ranked in the top 20-25, and UVA has hovered around 25.

I don’t think this means much, especially when you consider the LACs included, which if slotted in among national universities in USNWR national university rankings might rank lower than Georgetown, Vanderbilt, and UVA.


This.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Adam Schiff & Cory Booker have great educational credentials, & you couldn’t find two bigger imbeciles.


I've worked with Corey Booker and he's brilliant. What are your credentials and what do your co-workers say about you?


5 degrees (including doctorate) & they think I’m brilliant.

Tell your buddy Cory that I still think he’s a moron.
Anonymous
There is no such thing as an "elite" education.
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