Woodley pool suspends member over transgender swimmer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We should not be deputizing random men to police the gender of children.

Yep, an adult man talking about the genitals of a child? Creeps need to eff off. Again, we have no idea if this kid was actually trans, and so what was this guy asking? To see the kid's genitals?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Boys under 10 are not physically stronger than girls the same age (if anything, they tend to be smaller). Even if you have a problem with transgender athletes in teen and adult sports, this was still a non-issue for fairness.

No.

[Anonymous]

https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1289223483203568&id=100063477852799

Clearly says NVSL rules apply even if it was a B meet.
Medals were given out to winners. This boy swimming as a girl stole a medal from a girl.
Who cares if it was a 10U meet, the kids still care.
Just because your child is trans doesn't mean they should be taking away from my child.
I would be furious.

[Anonymous]

So happy that this topic has popped up again. Such an important issue. Far more important than the other issues we have out there in this country today.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1289223483203568&id=100063477852799

Clearly says NVSL rules apply even if it was a B meet.
Medals were given out to winners. This boy swimming as a girl stole a medal from a girl.
Who cares if it was a 10U meet, the kids still care.
Just because your child is trans doesn't mean they should be taking away from my child.
I would be furious.

What NVSL rules apply doesn’t mean “NVSL has jurisdiction”. Which NVSL rule do you think was violated?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1289223483203568&id=100063477852799

Clearly says NVSL rules apply even if it was a B meet.
Medals were given out to winners. This boy swimming as a girl stole a medal from a girl.
Who cares if it was a 10U meet, the kids still care.
Just because your child is trans doesn't mean they should be taking away from my child.
I would be furious.

Again, how do YOU know this was a boy? Are you guys whipping up a mob against a child based on what exactly?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1289223483203568&id=100063477852799

Clearly says NVSL rules apply even if it was a B meet.
Medals were given out to winners. This boy swimming as a girl stole a medal from a girl.
Who cares if it was a 10U meet, the kids still care.
Just because your child is trans doesn't mean they should be taking away from my child.
I would be furious.

You would be furious about the results of swim meet where there are kickboard events? You must be angry all the time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Boys under 10 are not physically stronger than girls the same age (if anything, they tend to be smaller). Even if you have a problem with transgender athletes in teen and adult sports, this was still a non-issue for fairness.

This is actually not true and has been shown such in studies of youth athletes. Boys retain significant advantages at all ages.

[Anonymous]

Yep. And I would definitely win
The most intense parent paper plate award
Or
Most likely to curse on deck parent paper plate award

My 10u daughter would never be beat by a biological boy though. She's going to the Olympics in her tech suit!!!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That is wild.

I would definitely like more info. Based on that interview, I'm tentatively on his side, but I don't trust the Daily Wire and also I'm very put off by him using a bunch of photos of his kids to help make him sympathetic here. Leave your kids out of it, this could expose them to harassment or ostracism at school and in other activities. People are insane on this issue.

I'm a liberal who doesn't think trans girls or women should compete in competitive female sports but these conversations are very hard to have and when I've revealed this opinion to liberal friends, the degree of vitriol I've received (from people I've known for years, who know me to be a reliable liberal/progressive) has been pretty shocking.

It doesn't even sound like it was a bona fide "trans child." It was just a boy who put on a girl's swim suit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Boys under 10 are not physically stronger than girls the same age (if anything, they tend to be smaller). Even if you have a problem with transgender athletes in teen and adult sports, this was still a non-issue for fairness.

Absolutely false. And note that he won both races.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Boys under 10 are not physically stronger than girls the same age (if anything, they tend to be smaller). Even if you have a problem with transgender athletes in teen and adult sports, this was still a non-issue for fairness.

Agree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We should not be deputizing random men to police the gender of children.

Yes, actually, we should be.

Parents have got to start standing up in situations like this. I admire him for his courage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That is wild.

I would definitely like more info. Based on that interview, I'm tentatively on his side, but I don't trust the Daily Wire and also I'm very put off by him using a bunch of photos of his kids to help make him sympathetic here. Leave your kids out of it, this could expose them to harassment or ostracism at school and in other activities. People are insane on this issue.

I'm a liberal who doesn't think trans girls or women should compete in competitive female sports but these conversations are very hard to have and when I've revealed this opinion to liberal friends, the degree of vitriol I've received (from people I've known for years, who know me to be a reliable liberal/progressive) has been pretty shocking.

It doesn't even sound like it was a bona fide "trans child." It was just a boy who put on a girl's swim suit.

What are you basing that on?

[Anonymous]

If they are going to separate swimmers by sex of the participants, then that has to apply to all participants.

The reason sports segregate by sex is fairness. For some people it's also about protecting kids, though in a sport like swimming where it's a mixed heat anyway, that doesn't make sense. So if the kids are sex-segregated, it's because they think it's more fair for kids of the same sex to compete just against each other.

If, for kids under 11, it really doesn't matter, then they shouldn't sex segregate at that age. I think that while the times for girls and boys in those age groups are certainly closer, what you'd wind up finding is that all but a few girls would be locked out of top 10 standings at most meets, and that parents of girls would be unhappy with this (and that the girls themselves would not love it).

I'm not anti trans. But it makes no sense to create sex-segregated sports specifically for fairness, and then permit trans girls to compete against biological girls. The whole reason there are sex categories in the first place is to prevent that from happening.

I think the solution is either to have a special category for trans swimmers, have kids swim with their biological sex even if it doesn't match their gender expression, or to get rid of sex segregation for this age group (though as I mentioned, I think the outcome of this would ultimately feel unfair to girls even if it's not AS unfair as it becomes when the kids have entered puberty in earnest).

This isn't about ostracizing trans kids, it's about seeking a solution that is fair to all kids and doesn't ignore physiological differences between the sexes which were the entire basis for segregating them in the first place.