Thinking back as a mom, was Kate Gosselin really that bad?

[Anonymous]

YES.

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Anonymous wrote:It's unethical to give birth to higher older multiples like that. The only reason people do is because they don't listen to their doctors (who would encourage reducing the pregnancy through selective abortion early on) and instead listen to some old white dude who runs a church out of his basement.

And then once the higher order multiples are here, they get exploited for tv shows. It's gross.

This. People make a sport put if having basically a litter if kids, something human beings are not meant for (both because it's so dangerous to carry them, increasing risks to mom and babies, and because human childrearing is not designed to seen the needs of that many kids at the infancy and early childhood stages, in particular) and then demand sympathy while abusing and neglecting their kids. It's messed up. Any ethical doctor will limit the number of embryos implanted to avoid this.

She claims she had an IUI procedure with 3, possibly 4 mature follicles. Maybe practices were different in the early 2000s but my RE would have cancelled my cycle if that happened, especially if I already had twins!! I have always wondered if we got the real story from her.

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Op here. This is interesting to me, to see many responses on the spooning? I don’t think I could name one friend or relative who was not spanked or had a parent use something like a sandal or spoon. We even had other people’s grandparents disciplining us as kids.

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Anonymous wrote:She was in survival mode with a dead weight husband and too many kids. But she never should have showed that to the general public.

Was he dead weight. He stepped up and fought for and has two kids.

He wasn’t a deadweight. He had. I power in that family and was always been yelled at and told everything he did was wrong. He pulled back and walked on eggshells as many abuse victims do. He became very passive as a way of adapting to the dynamic.

And yet as soon as he was divorced he put on his ugly Ed Hardy shirts and sparkly jeans and wanted to be a DJ on college campuses. Dad of the year.

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Anonymous wrote:Op here. This is interesting to me, to see many responses on the spooning? I don’t think I could name one friend or relative who was not spanked or had a parent use something like a sandal or spoon. We even had other people’s grandparents disciplining us as kids.

But spanking has been passe for awhile now. It was part of past generations but her kids were born in 2004. It is very uncommon in this generation to hit your kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Op here. This is interesting to me, to see many responses on the spooning? I don’t think I could name one friend or relative who was not spanked or had a parent use something like a sandal or spoon. We even had other people’s grandparents disciplining us as kids.

Not in her time. It was considered abuse by then. Surely you know this.

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Anonymous wrote:She was in survival mode with a dead weight husband and too many kids. But she never should have showed that to the general public.

Was he dead weight. He stepped up and fought for and has two kids.

He wasn’t a deadweight. He had. I power in that family and was always been yelled at and told everything he did was wrong. He pulled back and walked on eggshells as many abuse victims do. He became very passive as a way of adapting to the dynamic.

And yet as soon as he was divorced he put on his ugly Ed Hardy shirts and sparkly jeans and wanted to be a DJ on college campuses. Dad of the year.

Are you saying anyone with a clothing style you don’t like is a bad parent? So you didn’t like his outfits as they weren’t your style. Seems he maybe has never been allowed to choose his own clothes or have his own style and that is what he gravitated too initially. He DJ’d all over the place. I don’t know what his educational background and professional experiences were but maybe that was a way to make money. Probably not really easy to get a job at that point.

[Anonymous]

She had the original Karen haircut. I think she was the original Karen.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She was in survival mode with a dead weight husband and too many kids. But she never should have showed that to the general public.

Was he dead weight. He stepped up and fought for and has two kids.

He wasn’t a deadweight. He had. I power in that family and was always been yelled at and told everything he did was wrong. He pulled back and walked on eggshells as many abuse victims do. He became very passive as a way of adapting to the dynamic.

And yet as soon as he was divorced he put on his ugly Ed Hardy shirts and sparkly jeans and wanted to be a DJ on college campuses. Dad of the year.

Are you saying anyone with a clothing style you don’t like is a bad parent? So you didn’t like his outfits as they weren’t your style. Seems he maybe has never been allowed to choose his own clothes or have his own style and that is what he gravitated too initially. He DJ’d all over the place. I don’t know what his educational background and professional experiences were but maybe that was a way to make money. Probably not really easy to get a job at that point.

Real husband and father material right there. Do you not know a midlife crisis when you see one?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She was in survival mode with a dead weight husband and too many kids. But she never should have showed that to the general public.

Was he dead weight. He stepped up and fought for and has two kids.

He wasn’t a deadweight. He had. I power in that family and was always been yelled at and told everything he did was wrong. He pulled back and walked on eggshells as many abuse victims do. He became very passive as a way of adapting to the dynamic.

And yet as soon as he was divorced he put on his ugly Ed Hardy shirts and sparkly jeans and wanted to be a DJ on college campuses. Dad of the year.

Kate had a horrifyingly awful hair style but that isn’t what made her a bad parent. She also kept her kids on tv even after the divorce and some of the kids saying they didn’t want to be but she may not have known how else to make money either.

[Anonymous]

Model DCUM mom. Many many Kates here.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She was in survival mode with a dead weight husband and too many kids. But she never should have showed that to the general public.

Was he dead weight. He stepped up and fought for and has two kids.

He wasn’t a deadweight. He had. I power in that family and was always been yelled at and told everything he did was wrong. He pulled back and walked on eggshells as many abuse victims do. He became very passive as a way of adapting to the dynamic.

And yet as soon as he was divorced he put on his ugly Ed Hardy shirts and sparkly jeans and wanted to be a DJ on college campuses. Dad of the year.

Are you saying anyone with a clothing style you don’t like is a bad parent? So you didn’t like his outfits as they weren’t your style. Seems he maybe has never been allowed to choose his own clothes or have his own style and that is what he gravitated too initially. He DJ’d all over the place. I don’t know what his educational background and professional experiences were but maybe that was a way to make money. Probably not really easy to get a job at that point.

Real husband and father material right there. Do you not know a midlife crisis when you see one?

I don’t think it away a midlife crisis. I think it was trying to figure out who you are and what to do with the freedom after over a decade of being micromanaged, controlled, abused, and belittled.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She was in survival mode with a dead weight husband and too many kids. But she never should have showed that to the general public.

Was he dead weight. He stepped up and fought for and has two kids.

He wasn’t a deadweight. He had. I power in that family and was always been yelled at and told everything he did was wrong. He pulled back and walked on eggshells as many abuse victims do. He became very passive as a way of adapting to the dynamic.

And yet as soon as he was divorced he put on his ugly Ed Hardy shirts and sparkly jeans and wanted to be a DJ on college campuses. Dad of the year.

Kate had a horrifyingly awful hair style but that isn’t what made her a bad parent. She also kept her kids on tv even after the divorce and some of the kids saying they didn’t want to be but she may not have known how else to make money either.

The majority of Jon’s kids as adults still don’t talk to him. They must know something we don’t. Kate got the brunt of the hate but Jon is no saint.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She was in survival mode with a dead weight husband and too many kids. But she never should have showed that to the general public.

Was he dead weight. He stepped up and fought for and has two kids.

He wasn’t a deadweight. He had. I power in that family and was always been yelled at and told everything he did was wrong. He pulled back and walked on eggshells as many abuse victims do. He became very passive as a way of adapting to the dynamic.

And yet as soon as he was divorced he put on his ugly Ed Hardy shirts and sparkly jeans and wanted to be a DJ on college campuses. Dad of the year.

Are you saying anyone with a clothing style you don’t like is a bad parent? So you didn’t like his outfits as they weren’t your style. Seems he maybe has never been allowed to choose his own clothes or have his own style and that is what he gravitated too initially. He DJ’d all over the place. I don’t know what his educational background and professional experiences were but maybe that was a way to make money. Probably not really easy to get a job at that point.

Real husband and father material right there. Do you not know a midlife crisis when you see one?

I don’t think it away a midlife crisis. I think it was trying to figure out who you are and what to do with the freedom after over a decade of being micromanaged, controlled, abused, and belittled.

You don’t get to do that as a parent of 8.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She was in survival mode with a dead weight husband and too many kids. But she never should have showed that to the general public.

Was he dead weight. He stepped up and fought for and has two kids.

He wasn’t a deadweight. He had. I power in that family and was always been yelled at and told everything he did was wrong. He pulled back and walked on eggshells as many abuse victims do. He became very passive as a way of adapting to the dynamic.

And yet as soon as he was divorced he put on his ugly Ed Hardy shirts and sparkly jeans and wanted to be a DJ on college campuses. Dad of the year.

Kate had a horrifyingly awful hair style but that isn’t what made her a bad parent. She also kept her kids on tv even after the divorce and some of the kids saying they didn’t want to be but she may not have known how else to make money either.

The majority of Jon’s kids as adults still don’t talk to him. They must know something we don’t. Kate got the brunt of the hate but Jon is no saint.

Kate systematically ostracized family members, former staff, and even her own children. She created a culture of fear and control in that household. If you didn't fall in line, you were pushed out.