Should DMV public schools remove student bathrooms entirely?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kids who mess up bathrooms should be kicked out of public school. If they can’t respect the space and not fight or vape or keep it clean, they shouldn’t get to stay in free public school.

Right idea, but teachers and administrators have proven themselves incapable of running orderly schools (not entirely their fault, as I think overcrowding is a big contributor…taxpayers want big, fancy schools with low taxes, so there it is). I think we should return to 2020 and close public schools. Parents with means who value education will find their own solutions and those who don’t, won’t. For everyone objecting that this will push women out of the workforce, yeah, it will. That’s the price you pay for not civilizing children over the course of a generation.

Are you the OP? Because you keep coming up with one idiotic idea after another.

[Anonymous]

New schools are building bathrooms without doors and just doors on stalls. So there is nowhere expect the stall to lock. Our ES has these.

[Anonymous]

I’d support cameras in bathrooms.
I watch Police cells on a camera. There is a tiny sticky discovering the toilet itself so if someone is using it we can’t see them. But can see the rest of the cell.

I also think
Students that cause damage to property should have to fix it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’d support cameras in bathrooms.
I watch Police cells on a camera. There is a tiny sticky discovering the toilet itself so if someone is using it we can’t see them. But can see the rest of the cell.

I also think
Students that cause damage to property should have to fix it.

You'd support video recording of unclothed children? You are detained. That is a felony, dear.

[Anonymous]

The large, multi-stall restrooms are a problem. The ideal solution is probably something like large blocks of individual toilet stalls with toilet and sink in each one, cameras posted outside each one, and the kids swipe in and out with their student ID cards. The footage can be automatically reviewed by AI for more than one kid going in on one swipe and those kids could be issued a disciplinary infraction. There are vaping detectors/sensors available that could detect changes to air quality and, combined with swipe data and camera footage, you could identify who was using the bathrooms to smoke/vape.

Without completely re-doing the bathrooms, it’s more difficult but not impossible. My kids’ school doesn’t have a door at the front of the restrooms - it’s open but the restroom portion itself is obviously hidden behind a wall. I suspect most schools are like that these days. But a contractor could probably come in and install a door that needs a swipe to unlock, and combined with the cameras and sensors, it would at least be something. Instead right now it’s “we’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of options!”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain what would happen if a student had a bodily function need mid-school day, as would occur? There must be a plan for this. What happens.

The bathrooms are locked, right now, in many MCPS high schools.

Read the WaPo article.

[Anonymous]

Washington Post

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/02/26/montgomery-county-schools-bathrooms-dangerous/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain what would happen if a student had a bodily function need mid-school day, as would occur? There must be a plan for this. What happens.

The bathrooms are locked, right now, in many MCPS high schools.

Read the WaPo article.

or this

https://parentscoalitionmc.blogspot.com/2024/03/locked-bathrooms-spark-frustration.html?m=1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kids who mess up bathrooms should be kicked out of public school. If they can’t respect the space and not fight or vape or keep it clean, they shouldn’t get to stay in free public school.

Right idea, but teachers and administrators have proven themselves incapable of running orderly schools (not entirely their fault, as I think overcrowding is a big contributor…taxpayers want big, fancy schools with low taxes, so there it is). I think we should return to 2020 and close public schools. Parents with means who value education will find their own solutions and those who don’t, won’t. For everyone objecting that this will push women out of the workforce, yeah, it will. That’s the price you pay for not civilizing children over the course of a generation.

Are you the OP? Because you keep coming up with one idiotic idea after another.

Not the OP, but teachers and administrators are quite clear they can’t stop the vandalism. Presumably children won’t vandalize their own homes, so shut the schools and make kids learn at home. If schools can solve the problem, I’m all ears, but all I ever hear are excuses why they can’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kids who mess up bathrooms should be kicked out of public school. If they can’t respect the space and not fight or vape or keep it clean, they shouldn’t get to stay in free public school.

Right idea, but teachers and administrators have proven themselves incapable of running orderly schools (not entirely their fault, as I think overcrowding is a big contributor…taxpayers want big, fancy schools with low taxes, so there it is). I think we should return to 2020 and close public schools. Parents with means who value education will find their own solutions and those who don’t, won’t. For everyone objecting that this will push women out of the workforce, yeah, it will. That’s the price you pay for not civilizing children over the course of a generation.

Are you the OP? Because you keep coming up with one idiotic idea after another.

Not the OP, but teachers and administrators are quite clear they can’t stop the vandalism. Presumably children won’t vandalize their own homes, so shut the schools and make kids learn at home. If schools can solve the problem, I’m all ears, but all I ever hear are excuses why they can’t.

I'm quite sure you're the OP sockpuppeting. Stop your idiotic rants please. You sound insane.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't it be better to remove the problematic students instead?

+1. The kids who are vandalizing bathrooms and fighting in middle and high school are the same kids who mostly come to school because their parents don't want to end up in court. They spend most of the day wandering the halls, making messes, and causing trouble. Put everything on Schoology and send them home with their laptops to learn. They're old enough to stay home alone and they have the tech skills to navigate the courses if they're inclined.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't it be better to remove the problematic students instead?

This. I am so sick of this and when are we going to get to this answer. Just get these kids out. Yes, I understand they will be part of society at some point. Put them all in a juvenile detention type school together and do some sort of scared straight program or other intensive interventions. By high school just get them out of the environment.

I have said this for a while. Crazy idea. Completely crazy.

Two tiers of public education.
1. Kids who want to be there, who follow rules, who like education
2. Basic life skills for kids who dislike education, make fun of homework, don’t follow rules, vandalize, harm others.

Kids can move between. If they sign a written statement to leave Tier 2, they can get back in to Tier 1.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:New schools are building bathrooms without doors and just doors on stalls. So there is nowhere expect the stall to lock. Our ES has these.

I did not have stalls doors in my bathrooms years ago. Too many sex acts and drug use going on to allow it. I'm pretty sure my lifelong issues with constipation started from this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't it be better to remove the problematic students instead?

+1. The kids who are vandalizing bathrooms and fighting in middle and high school are the same kids who mostly come to school because their parents don't want to end up in court. They spend most of the day wandering the halls, making messes, and causing trouble. Put everything on Schoology and send them home with their laptops to learn. They're old enough to stay home alone and they have the tech skills to navigate the courses if they're inclined.

I agree with this too. What's wrong with distance learning? They said it was okay for years during covid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't it be better to remove the problematic students instead?

This. I am so sick of this and when are we going to get to this answer. Just get these kids out. Yes, I understand they will be part of society at some point. Put them all in a juvenile detention type school together and do some sort of scared straight program or other intensive interventions. By high school just get them out of the environment.

I have said this for a while. Crazy idea. Completely crazy.

Two tiers of public education.
1. Kids who want to be there, who follow rules, who like education
2. Basic life skills for kids who dislike education, make fun of homework, don’t follow rules, vandalize, harm others.

Kids can move between. If they sign a written statement to leave Tier 2, they can get back in to Tier 1.

Separate crazy idea. From me again:
All classes and subjects should be module based. Kids pass 100s of them through their school career.
Each unit has an introductory lesson, subject-based learning modules online, one hands on day they can sign up and attend (offered weekly more often), and tough-ish assessments.
They don’t have to attend “school” all the time. Families can vacation whenever.

Like a home school/public school option in addition, free play daycare with physical and educational and social fun, for the days they are not doing school.

Everyone on their own module schedule, but there is always going to be a cohort moving with you.

Generalized AND offerings for career-based. Any adult should be able to access this education too, to qualify for career-based changes.

K-12. And then higher ed options, again, for adult-only cohorts. K-12 cohorts only in age-appropriate groups. (No 4th graders in class with 1st graders). But they all have access.