Should DMV public schools remove student bathrooms entirely?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't it be better to remove the problematic students instead?

+1. The kids who are vandalizing bathrooms and fighting in middle and high school are the same kids who mostly come to school because their parents don't want to end up in court. They spend most of the day wandering the halls, making messes, and causing trouble. Put everything on Schoology and send them home with their laptops to learn. They're old enough to stay home alone and they have the tech skills to navigate the courses if they're inclined.

I agree with sending them home, but finding the root causes of kids’ behavior would be the best route. They can’t learn if they have unsolved trauma. They need to get the feelings and facts out in a civilized manner with a professional and a parent.
Public secondary schools look more like a penitentiary than an educational facility. This needs to change.

This is not the school's responsibility even though schools are doing most of the heavy lift. School counselors make recommendations and refer students and their families to community outreach programs, parenting classes, and free or low cost mental health services all the time. They can and should continue to do so but students shouldn't be allowed to derail everyone else's eduation because they have unsolved trauma.

[Anonymous]

I said it in this thread. Two tiers of public education.

1. “I like school. I follow rules. I don’t roll my eyes at homework.”
2. Everyone else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't it be better to remove the problematic students instead?

+1. The kids who are vandalizing bathrooms and fighting in middle and high school are the same kids who mostly come to school because their parents don't want to end up in court. They spend most of the day wandering the halls, making messes, and causing trouble. Put everything on Schoology and send them home with their laptops to learn. They're old enough to stay home alone and they have the tech skills to navigate the courses if they're inclined.

I agree with sending them home, but finding the root causes of kids’ behavior would be the best route. They can’t learn if they have unsolved trauma. They need to get the feelings and facts out in a civilized manner with a professional and a parent.
Public secondary schools look more like a penitentiary than an educational facility. This needs to change.

This is not the school's responsibility even though schools are doing most of the heavy lift. School counselors make recommendations and refer students and their families to community outreach programs, parenting classes, and free or low cost mental health services all the time. They can and should continue to do so but students shouldn't be allowed to derail everyone else's eduation because they have unsolved trauma.

Between Trump’s EOs and DOGE, the number of outreach programs, parenting classes, and free or low cost mental health services will be declining sharply. Many of these programs were funded with federal grants. I guess this is where RFK jr’s privately run farms will come in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is another symptom that American kids are NOT okay. This is not a problem in European schools, or in Asia or anywhere. Why are kids destroying the bathrooms in schools? I would start there.

Well in a lot of Asian countries specifically, kids are required to help clean their schools as part of their school day. Nobody here would stand for a 30 minute shift of their kids mopping tile and cleaning toilets though unfortunately.

Well you are talking about Japan. Which is way different than other Asian countries. In rural China, a toilet is a hole in the ground. Not much to destroy there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That wouldn't work, though. That would cause bathroom accidents. I have a son with IBS and there are some days when he can't go more than an hour without using the toilet. It would also be difficult for young women to go all day when on their periods.

The only solution, IMO, is bathroom attendants. If they don't want the expense of hiring attendants, then then assign teachers specific bathrooms to cover between classes and before school. Bathrooms, except for 2 specific bathrooms, are then locked during classes. Students can only use those bathrooms during class time, and those 2 bathrooms have cameras pointing at them to record everyone who enters. If vandalism is found, everyone who entered but didn't report it gets in trouble.

The second I am assigned bathroom duty, I quit. I’ll pack up my classroom, mostly stocked with supplies I purchased with my own money, that very day.

I already do three times more than reasonably expected, and each time something else needs fixing the answer is “just make the teachers do it.” We are the people who are expected to solve all of society’s problems with few resources and little support.

Imagine how ridiculous it would be for me to say parents should be required to take shifts as hall monitors. See how offended you’d immediately be? It’s not your job, and it’s also not mine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't it be better to remove the problematic students instead?

+1. The kids who are vandalizing bathrooms and fighting in middle and high school are the same kids who mostly come to school because their parents don't want to end up in court. They spend most of the day wandering the halls, making messes, and causing trouble. Put everything on Schoology and send them home with their laptops to learn. They're old enough to stay home alone and they have the tech skills to navigate the courses if they're inclined.

I agree with sending them home, but finding the root causes of kids’ behavior would be the best route. They can’t learn if they have unsolved trauma. They need to get the feelings and facts out in a civilized manner with a professional and a parent.
Public secondary schools look more like a penitentiary than an educational facility. This needs to change.

This is not the school's responsibility even though schools are doing most of the heavy lift. School counselors make recommendations and refer students and their families to community outreach programs, parenting classes, and free or low cost mental health services all the time. They can and should continue to do so but students shouldn't be allowed to derail everyone else's eduation because they have unsolved trauma.

Between Trump’s EOs and DOGE, the number of outreach programs, parenting classes, and free or low cost mental health services will be declining sharply. Many of these programs were funded with federal grants. I guess this is where RFK jr’s privately run farms will come in.

Kamala Harris wasn’t going to fix this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is another symptom that American kids are NOT okay. This is not a problem in European schools, or in Asia or anywhere. Why are kids destroying the bathrooms in schools? I would start there.

Well in a lot of Asian countries specifically, kids are required to help clean their schools as part of their school day. Nobody here would stand for a 30 minute shift of their kids mopping tile and cleaning toilets though unfortunately.

Well you are talking about Japan. Which is way different than other Asian countries. In rural China, a toilet is a hole in the ground. Not much to destroy there.

Students in China, Japan, South Korea and Taiwan are all required to clean their schools.