Trump Says Trials for Migrants "Not Possible"

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I am sorry I don't quite understand how can an illegal immigrant can be turned about away at the border with zero due process but somehow if they make it into the country there has to be due process in order to deport them? Outside of validating their status what else should we need to do?


"Eventually, the Supreme Court extended these constitutional protections to all aliens within the United States, including those who entered unlawfully, declaring that aliens who have once passed through our gates, even illegally, may be expelled only after proceedings conforming to traditional standards of fairness encompassed in due process of law.3 The Court reasoned that aliens physically present in the United States, regardless of their legal status, are recognized as persons guaranteed due process of law by the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.4 Thus, the Court determined, [e]ven one whose presence in this country is unlawful, involuntary, or transitory is entitled to that constitutional protection.5 Accordingly, notwithstanding Congress’s indisputably broad power to regulate immigration, fundamental due process requirements notably constrained that power with respect to aliens within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.6

Yet the Supreme Court has also suggested that the extent of due process protection may vary depending upon [the alien’s] status and circumstance.7 In various opinions, the Court has suggested that at least some of the constitutional protections to which an alien is entitled may turn upon whether the alien has been admitted into the United States or developed substantial ties to this country.8 Thus, while the Court has recognized that due process considerations may constrain the Federal Government’s exercise of its immigration power, there is some uncertainty regarding the extent to which these constraints apply with regard to aliens within the United States."

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S8-C18-8-7-2/ALDE_00001262/#ALDF_00015333

See Dep’t of Homeland Sec. v. Thuraissigiam, No. 19-161, slip op. at 2 (U.S. June 25, 2020) (stating that aliens who have established connections in this country have due process rights in deportation proceedings)

United States v. Verdugo-Urquidez, 494 U.S. 259, 271 (1990) (These cases, however, establish only that aliens receive constitutional protections when they have come within the territory of the United States and developed substantial connections with this country.)

Landon, 459 U.S. at 32 ([O]nce an alien gains admission to our country and begins to develop the ties that go with permanent residence his constitutional status changes accordingly.)

Kwong Hai Chew, 344 U.S. at 596 n.5 (But once an alien lawfully enters and resides in this country he becomes invested with the rights guaranteed by the Constitution to all people within our borders.)

Johnson v. Eisentrager, 339 U.S. 763, 770 (1950) (The alien, to whom the United States has been traditionally hospitable, has been accorded a generous and ascending scale of rights as he increases his identity with our society.)

Yamataya v. Fisher, 189 U.S. 86, 101 (1903) ([I]t is not competent for the Secretary of the Treasury or any executive officer, at any time within the year limited by the statute, arbitrarily to cause an alien who has entered the country, and has become subject in all respects to its jurisdiction, and a part of its population, although alleged to be illegally here, to be taken into custody and deported without giving him all opportunity to be heard upon the questions involving his right to be and remain in the United States.).
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:POTUS is correct on this one.


He does this to an “illegal alien” (but does have to show he’s illegal, because no due process)
So, he does it to someone here legally (who can’t prove they are here legally)
So, he does it to you and says you are here illegally (and you have not opportunity to prove you are a citizen)


We can take Trumps word for the fact everyone is here illegally and deportable. Despite the fact he and his appointees can’t keep reporters off chats that include war plans or keep track of a purse with $3000, a PIV card and a passport. But, let’s go out on a limb here and say he occasionally makes mistakes. Some of those mistakes are legal permanent residents. Some are US citizens. None of them get the chance to challenge anything before they are put on a plane and dumped in CECOT. And when the inevitable mistake happens, as it already has, he says “opppsss. Still leaving them there”.

That’s why you need due process. To prevent US citizens from being dumped into El Salvadoran he11holes with no recourse.

Due process I’d your recourse.

Trump is not right. And if he can’t process the immigrants he wants to deport, he should stop firing immigration judges.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:POTUS is correct on this one.


He does this to an “illegal alien” (but does have to show he’s illegal, because no due process)
So, he does it to someone here legally (who can’t prove they are here legally)
So, he does it to you and says you are here illegally (and you have not opportunity to prove you are a citizen)


We can take Trumps word for the fact everyone is here illegally and deportable. Despite the fact he and his appointees can’t keep reporters off chats that include war plans or keep track of a purse with $3000, a PIV card and a passport. But, let’s go out on a limb here and say he occasionally makes mistakes. Some of those mistakes are legal permanent residents. Some are US citizens. None of them get the chance to challenge anything before they are put on a plane and dumped in CECOT. And when the inevitable mistake happens, as it already has, he says “opppsss. Still leaving them there”.

That’s why you need due process. To prevent US citizens from being dumped into El Salvadoran he11holes with no recourse.

Due process I’d your recourse.

Trump is not right. And if he can’t process the immigrants he wants to deport, he should stop firing immigration judges.


A short review of documents is all that is needed. Not a trial and endless appeals.
Anonymous
Because we need more than “she’s illegal, trusts me, dude” before we dump someone in El Salvador. On the off chance they are here legally, or are a citizen, they have the right to show someone the documentation proving that.

In the end, it isn’t to protect people here illegally. They are going back— somewhere. It’s to protect you and me and everyone who is here legally from the government making a mistake.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:POTUS is correct on this one.


He does this to an “illegal alien” (but does have to show he’s illegal, because no due process)
So, he does it to someone here legally (who can’t prove they are here legally)
So, he does it to you and says you are here illegally (and you have not opportunity to prove you are a citizen)


We can take Trumps word for the fact everyone is here illegally and deportable. Despite the fact he and his appointees can’t keep reporters off chats that include war plans or keep track of a purse with $3000, a PIV card and a passport. But, let’s go out on a limb here and say he occasionally makes mistakes. Some of those mistakes are legal permanent residents. Some are US citizens. None of them get the chance to challenge anything before they are put on a plane and dumped in CECOT. And when the inevitable mistake happens, as it already has, he says “opppsss. Still leaving them there”.

That’s why you need due process. To prevent US citizens from being dumped into El Salvadoran he11holes with no recourse.

Due process I’d your recourse.

Trump is not right. And if he can’t process the immigrants he wants to deport, he should stop firing immigration judges.


A short review of documents is all that is needed. Not a trial and endless appeals.


You don’t know much about immigration trials and ALJ hearings, do you? These are 15 minute affairs in many cases. The problem is the lack of funding or pipeline to get sufficient judges.
Anonymous
And one of the first things he did after election was to fire a bunch of immigration judges.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:He is telling us clear as day that he won't honor due process. Read his words for yourself.

“We cannot give everyone a trial, because to do so would take, without exaggeration, 200 years,” Trump added in his Truth Social post. “We would need hundreds of thousands of trials for the hundreds of thousands of Illegals we are sending out of the Country. Such a thing is not possible to do. What a ridiculous situation we are in.”





No doubt that's his sentiment but someone else wrote that.


Yeah, trying to imagine him saying the word stymied out loud. Nope.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:And one of the first things he did after election was to fire a bunch of immigration judges.


Yup. His logic goes like this--

Trump to GOP: DON'T SIGN THE BIPARTISAN IMMIGRATION BILL THAT WILL GIVE US MORE IMMIGRATION JUDGES!

Also Trump: fires 20 or more newly hired immigration judges who were supposed to tackle the huge backlog of cases

Trump again: OH NO! WE SIMPLY DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO GIVE EVERY ILLEGAL A TRIAL!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:And one of the first things he did after election was to fire a bunch of immigration judges.


And it’s like SSA ALJs. People qualified to do complex administrative law don’t grow on trees. You need 7-10 years experience to do this job. Much more to do it well and at the volume immigration judges are expected to keep up with. Trump could have enough capacity. He has chose not to. And you won’t care until someone you care about who is here legally is dumped on a plane without the ability to show anyone their passport and put in prison in El Salvador.
Anonymous
More immigration judges fired THIS WEEK. But yeah— giving migrants hearings is absolutely impossible. (And it is if you fire all the judges).

https://www.npr.org/2025/04/22/nx-s1-5372681/trump-immigration-judges-fired

Honestly, I hope some MAGA gets swept up outside Walmart and dumped on a plane to cool their heels in El Salvador. Maybe then they will see that due process isn’t really about protecting illegal immigrants who are deportable. It’s about protecting American citizens who are mistakenly or maliciously arrested by the government.
Anonymous
I don’t think “oopsie, we don’t have enough immigration judges” is a good faith argument after you’ve systematically reduced the number of judges.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:More immigration judges fired THIS WEEK. But yeah— giving migrants hearings is absolutely impossible. (And it is if you fire all the judges).

https://www.npr.org/2025/04/22/nx-s1-5372681/trump-immigration-judges-fired

Honestly, I hope some MAGA gets swept up outside Walmart and dumped on a plane to cool their heels in El Salvador. Maybe then they will see that due process isn’t really about protecting illegal immigrants who are deportable. It’s about protecting American citizens who are mistakenly or maliciously arrested by the government.


Let's start with the MAGA Hispanics who voted for the Mar-a-Lago "strongman."
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:And one of the first things he did after election was to fire a bunch of immigration judges.


The immigration judges were put in by Biden to let in illegals, in violation of the law. On top of that, DOJ just dropped half a million immigration cases, a backdoor amnesty.


That’s not the way immigration judges are chosen, or how they work. It’s a very nonpartisan job. But sure, keep trust Fox Entertainment Channel.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:More immigration judges fired THIS WEEK. But yeah— giving migrants hearings is absolutely impossible. (And it is if you fire all the judges).

https://www.npr.org/2025/04/22/nx-s1-5372681/trump-immigration-judges-fired

Honestly, I hope some MAGA gets swept up outside Walmart and dumped on a plane to cool their heels in El Salvador. Maybe then they will see that due process isn’t really about protecting illegal immigrants who are deportable. It’s about protecting American citizens who are mistakenly or maliciously arrested by the government.


Let's start with the MAGA Hispanics who voted for the Mar-a-Lago "strongman."


+1. Carry your papers dudes. Not the ICE has any obligation to look at them, even if you try to hand them a passport, before kicking you out of the country.

I’m over the FA. Time for some FO on why due process exists. And if Yrump decides not to bring these guys home, and keep them in El Salvador indefinitely— too bad, so sad. We warned you.
Anonymous
Biden let in more than a million people from Veneuzela, non green card. Some TPS, some parole, some CHNV.

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