Massachusetts Judge Holds ICE in Contempt

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think it will change things if the individuals start being held accountable. Trump may be immune but if Joe Blow ICE agent faces consequences, they may not be so eager to steal people willy nilly and disappear them to foreign prison camps.

I don't remember how immunity works for gov't workers in this sort of situation - can an officer be sent to jail for doing something like this?

I really hope so. Everyone needs to stick together on this and say no more nonsense~ we follow the laws in America.

The laws are being followed whether you like them or not.

They are absolutely not

Will the state file charges?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hold ICE in contempt too but I'm not sure what good that will do.

I think the only thing that is going to get any attention is throwing people in jail. But I'm not sure the courts believe they could make it stick.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous]A judge in Boston is holding a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent in contempt after he detained a suspect while the man was on trial.

ICE agent Brian Sullivan grabbed Wilson Martell-Lebron last week as he was leaving court for lunch. He was in the middle of a trial for falsifying a drivers license application. Because LeBron was denied to a fair trial the judge had to dismiss the case.

“It's a case of violating a defendant's right to present at trial and confront witnesses against him," Judge Mark Summerville said from the bench. “It couldn't be more serious.”

LeBron’s attorney said “There is no greater injustice in my mind than the government arresting someone, without identifying themselves, and preventing them from exercising their constitutionally guaranteed right to a jury trial.”

Two district attorneys in Massachusetts sued the federal government in 2019 seeking to prevent arrests at courthouses but dropped the case when former President Joe Biden took office. Who knew the cockroaches would be back.


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The whole damn ICE should be held in contempt..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A judge in Boston is holding a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent in contempt after he detained a suspect while the man was on trial.

ICE agent Brian Sullivan grabbed Wilson Martell-Lebron last week as he was leaving court for lunch. He was in the middle of a trial for falsifying a drivers license application. Because LeBron was denied to a fair trial the judge had to dismiss the case.

“It's a case of violating a defendant's right to present at trial and confront witnesses against him," Judge Mark Summerville said from the bench. “It couldn't be more serious.”

LeBron’s attorney said “There is no greater injustice in my mind than the government arresting someone, without identifying themselves, and preventing them from exercising their constitutionally guaranteed right to a jury trial.”

Two district attorneys in Massachusetts sued the federal government in 2019 seeking to prevent arrests at courthouses but dropped the case when former President Joe Biden took office. Who knew the cockroaches would be back.

Under the expedited removal process, immigrants who have been in the country illegally for less than two years and are apprehended can be deported almost immediately without going through a court hearing. Why are we wasting resources and time of the judge when they can just be picked up by ice and booted out of the country? There are plenty of citizens that are committing crimes and need due process.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A judge in Boston is holding a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent in contempt after he detained a suspect while the man was on trial.

ICE agent Brian Sullivan grabbed Wilson Martell-Lebron last week as he was leaving court for lunch. He was in the middle of a trial for falsifying a drivers license application. Because LeBron was denied to a fair trial the judge had to dismiss the case.

“It's a case of violating a defendant's right to present at trial and confront witnesses against him," Judge Mark Summerville said from the bench. “It couldn't be more serious.”

LeBron’s attorney said “There is no greater injustice in my mind than the government arresting someone, without identifying themselves, and preventing them from exercising their constitutionally guaranteed right to a jury trial.”

Two district attorneys in Massachusetts sued the federal government in 2019 seeking to prevent arrests at courthouses but dropped the case when former President Joe Biden took office. Who knew the cockroaches would be back.

Under the expedited removal process, immigrants who have been in the country illegally for less than two years and are apprehended can be deported almost immediately without going through a court hearing. Why are we wasting resources and time of the judge when they can just be picked up by ice and booted out of the country? There are plenty of citizens that are committing crimes and need due process.

This is one problem. People mangle government procedures, laws, rules and regulations. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

[Anonymous]

So, let’s get this straight: a person involved in a criminal trial but otherwise free to walk around somehow becomes immune from arrest for anything else while the trial is pending?

And [what appears to be] a state court judge can find a federal agent in contempt of state court for exercising his federal arrest authority?

Sounds pretty weak to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, let’s get this straight: a person involved in a criminal trial but otherwise free to walk around somehow becomes immune from arrest for anything else while the trial is pending?

And [what appears to be] a state court judge can find a federal agent in contempt of state court for exercising his federal arrest authority?

Sounds pretty weak to me.

This is sabre rattling. If the state (commonwealth) had a chance of winning on contempt charges, they would go in full bore. They don't.

[Anonymous]

This is a smart judge.

Go after the individual ICE agents and hold them accountable. I'm tired of this BS with them wearing masks and hiding who they are as they kidnap people and don't provide due process.

Trump should get on a plane to El Salvador and get that Maryland dad back. Trump is not doing enough, and it's a lie that he can't get him back.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is a smart judge.

Go after the individual ICE agents and hold them accountable. I'm tired of this BS with them wearing masks and hiding who they are as they kidnap people and don't provide due process.

Trump should get on a plane to El Salvador and get that Maryland dad back. Trump is not doing enough, and it's a lie that he can't get him back.

Judges are free to try, but there is a little provision in the Constitution that's called the Supremacy Clause.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a smart judge.

Go after the individual ICE agents and hold them accountable. I'm tired of this BS with them wearing masks and hiding who they are as they kidnap people and don't provide due process.

Trump should get on a plane to El Salvador and get that Maryland dad back. Trump is not doing enough, and it's a lie that he can't get him back.

Judges are free to try, but there is a little provision in the Constitution that's called the Supremacy Clause.

Correct.

.Gov will likely ignore this “judge.”

But should he persist, he could be federally charged with conspiring to keep an illegal, removable, alien in the United States, or other federal offenses, including obstruction of justice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it will change things if the individuals start being held accountable. Trump may be immune but if Joe Blow ICE agent faces consequences, they may not be so eager to steal people willy nilly and disappear them to foreign prison camps.

I don't remember how immunity works for gov't workers in this sort of situation - can an officer be sent to jail for doing something like this?

I really hope so. Everyone needs to stick together on this and say no more nonsense~ we follow the laws in America.

The laws are being followed whether you like them or not.

No Elon they are not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it will change things if the individuals start being held accountable. Trump may be immune but if Joe Blow ICE agent faces consequences, they may not be so eager to steal people willy nilly and disappear them to foreign prison camps.

I don't remember how immunity works for gov't workers in this sort of situation - can an officer be sent to jail for doing something like this?

Maybe this is exactly why they are wearing masks. The claim it is for fear of retribution from people but maybe it is to escape justice. We all know everyone else will use the amnesia defense. Trump has made forgetfulness and managerial incompetence cool again.

And the judicial needs to issue an order on that. Most ICE interactions including raids do not necessitate the use of the agents being in mask. Show your face turn on the body camera. If not I assume you are intending to do something illegal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a smart judge.

Go after the individual ICE agents and hold them accountable. I'm tired of this BS with them wearing masks and hiding who they are as they kidnap people and don't provide due process.

Trump should get on a plane to El Salvador and get that Maryland dad back. Trump is not doing enough, and it's a lie that he can't get him back.

Judges are free to try, but there is a little provision in the Constitution that's called the Supremacy Clause.

Correct.

.Gov will likely ignore this “judge.”

But should he persist, he could be federally charged with conspiring to keep an illegal, removable, alien in the United States, or other federal offenses, including obstruction of justice.

I appreciate that you say this with conviction, but it is utter bullshit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hold ICE in contempt too but I'm not sure what good that will do.

I think the only thing that is going to get any attention is throwing people in jail. But I'm not sure the courts believe they could make it stick.

Except that who will do the throwing in jail? All federal law enforcement is under the DOJ, even the US Marshalls who typically are the law enforcement for the courts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hold ICE in contempt too but I'm not sure what good that will do.

I think the only thing that is going to get any attention is throwing people in jail. But I'm not sure the courts believe they could make it stick.

Except that who will do the throwing in jail? All federal law enforcement is under the DOJ, even the US Marshalls who typically are the law enforcement for the courts.

Have to get a conviction first. State courts don't have the authority to try federal law enforcement officials acting in the course of their duties. That's been the law since the 19th century.

What this state court judge seems to be more upset about is the threat that federal law enforcement officials will seize illegal alien defendants when they are involved in state court criminal proceedings. Since state law enforcement won't cooperate with ICE, monitoring the defendant's whereabouts based on state criminal proceedings seems reasonable and lawful. It's not interfering with the state court's jurisdiction.