What happens if there's no Dept of Ed?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's not illegal. Trump is in charge of it and has the authority. What can happen is that the necessary programs like FAFSA, Pell grants, etc. can be sent out to contractors or back to HEW/HHSwhere ED came from (HEW). Unnecessary programs (and there are many) return to the states. I was a high ranking officer there supervisong over 100. They could all be fired tomorrow .. all of them. The waste and bloat was unbelievable.

Not true. It is 100% illegal what he has done to USAID. The executive branch does not have the authority to shut down an agency that was created by an act of congress and funded by them. You are the reason our democracy is crumbling. Please move to another country, you obviously don’t live this one or understand how a democratic government works. We used to be a nation of laws. But you believe certain people are above the law. You suck and highly partisan, warped viewpoint is disgusting and unAmerican

USAID was Created by Executive Order; get your facts straight if you want to lecture others. Funding is authorized by Congress, but Congress delegated creation of an agency to the executive branch.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The states will have to run them, including paying for everything, on their own.

So state taxes will go up. Fed taxes will stay around the same.

Hmm. Wonderful. Thanks Trump!

At least your kids won't be paying for additional debt, since we are borrowing a major portion of our expenditures each year. Want people to afford a house? Stop competing with the federal government for a loan.

[Anonymous]

The idea that FASFA and Pell grants would be administered more smoothly and cheaply with contractors is patently absurd.

[Anonymous]

Without Dept of Ed, achievement will go down..

Ahh wait, according to their own statistics achievement has been going down for years.

Here's data on achievment since 1970 directly from DOE. This is actually one case where DOE is definitely useful -- tracking national trends on educational achievement.

https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/highlights/ltt/2023/

But look at the numbers -- scroll down to the more detailed section (Section II). Every single group -- Asians, Black, Hispanic, White -- has seen a decline in reading and math scores since 2012.

How do we measure that DOE's mission is successful? Here's their mission statement:
"ED's mission is to promote student achievement and preparation for global competitiveness by fostering educational excellence and ensuring equal access."

Are they doing it well? I guess one could argue the scores could have declined even more without DOE...

[Anonymous]

Why be mad at the person who is telling you that your bank is being robbed?

It's not the first time the DOE was shit down and it came back in 1979. What was done for 100 years? Oh states ran their own as it should be.

[Anonymous]

+1 what has the DOE actually accomplished?

Anonymous wrote:Without Dept of Ed, achievement will go down..

Ahh wait, according to their own statistics achievement has been going down for years.

Here's data on achievment since 1970 directly from DOE. This is actually one case where DOE is definitely useful -- tracking national trends on educational achievement.

https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/highlights/ltt/2023/

But look at the numbers -- scroll down to the more detailed section (Section II). Every single group -- Asians, Black, Hispanic, White -- has seen a decline in reading and math scores since 2012.

How do we measure that DOE's mission is successful? Here's their mission statement:
"ED's mission is to promote student achievement and preparation for global competitiveness by fostering educational excellence and ensuring equal access."

Are they doing it well? I guess one could argue the scores could have declined even more without DOE...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's not illegal. Trump is in charge of it and has the authority. What can happen is that the necessary programs like FAFSA, Pell grants, etc. can be sent out to contractors or back to HEW/HHSwhere ED came from (HEW). Unnecessary programs (and there are many) return to the states. I was a high ranking officer there supervisong over 100. They could all be fired tomorrow .. all of them. The waste and bloat was unbelievable.

Yes, it's illegal for Musk to close the department. Only Congress can do that.

Trump and Musk had to give on USAID because they know they can't legally close it.

[Anonymous]

DOE = Energy

ED = Education

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:+1 what has the DOE actually accomplished?

Anonymous wrote:Without Dept of Ed, achievement will go down..

Ahh wait, according to their own statistics achievement has been going down for years.

Here's data on achievment since 1970 directly from DOE. This is actually one case where DOE is definitely useful -- tracking national trends on educational achievement.

https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/highlights/ltt/2023/

But look at the numbers -- scroll down to the more detailed section (Section II). Every single group -- Asians, Black, Hispanic, White -- has seen a decline in reading and math scores since 2012.

How do we measure that DOE's mission is successful? Here's their mission statement:
"ED's mission is to promote student achievement and preparation for global competitiveness by fostering educational excellence and ensuring equal access."

Are they doing it well? I guess one could argue the scores could have declined even more without DOE...

Funding free preschool through the Head Start program, paying for school lunches for poor children, investigating schools when teachers abuse disabled children, paying for adequate staffing for schools in low income low property tax areas, to start.

School achievement is determined by the curriculum chosen to actually teach the children, and the way teachers are trained to instruct. Which has ALWAYS been determined at the local school board level. Reading scores are down because it was a big trend in the last 20 years to stop teaching phonics, which was popularized by an idiot from Columbia Teacher's College.

[Anonymous]

You guys wanna know the real grift in education? Your principals all belong to state "nonprofit" organizations that have "conferences" at luxury hotels and resorts once or twice a year. The cost to book the resorts are paid for by school curriculum companies, who "present" to the principals. That is how reading curriculums, teacher training programs, and learning software for schools are purchased. It's pay to play, and not what is actually the most effective.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DOE = Energy

ED = Education

Bumping this because a whole lot of people who never cared about Ed suddenly care a whole lot

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You guys wanna know the real grift in education? Your principals all belong to state "nonprofit" organizations that have "conferences" at luxury hotels and resorts once or twice a year. The cost to book the resorts are paid for by school curriculum companies, who "present" to the principals. That is how reading curriculums, teacher training programs, and learning software for schools are purchased. It's pay to play, and not what is actually the most effective.

I see this and raise you the College Board and ACT

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:+1 what has the DOE actually accomplished?

Anonymous wrote:Without Dept of Ed, achievement will go down..

Ahh wait, according to their own statistics achievement has been going down for years.

Here's data on achievment since 1970 directly from DOE. This is actually one case where DOE is definitely useful -- tracking national trends on educational achievement.

https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/highlights/ltt/2023/

But look at the numbers -- scroll down to the more detailed section (Section II). Every single group -- Asians, Black, Hispanic, White -- has seen a decline in reading and math scores since 2012.

How do we measure that DOE's mission is successful? Here's their mission statement:
"ED's mission is to promote student achievement and preparation for global competitiveness by fostering educational excellence and ensuring equal access."

Are they doing it well? I guess one could argue the scores could have declined even more without DOE...

Funding free preschool through the Head Start program, paying for school lunches for poor children, investigating schools when teachers abuse disabled children, paying for adequate staffing for schools in low income low property tax areas, to start.

School achievement is determined by the curriculum chosen to actually teach the children, and the way teachers are trained to instruct. Which has ALWAYS been determined at the local school board level. Reading scores are down because it was a big trend in the last 20 years to stop teaching phonics, which was popularized by an idiot from Columbia Teacher's College.

Head Start was originally funded by HEW, which now is HHS. So they would likely move back to HHS.

Educational Civil Rights used to be handled by DoJ and likely would go back there.

Lucy Xalkins crap curricula from Columbia U were funded in part by Federal DoEd.

It is all merely shuffling the deck chairs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:+1 what has the DOE actually accomplished?

Anonymous wrote:Without Dept of Ed, achievement will go down..

Ahh wait, according to their own statistics achievement has been going down for years.

Here's data on achievment since 1970 directly from DOE. This is actually one case where DOE is definitely useful -- tracking national trends on educational achievement.

https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/highlights/ltt/2023/

But look at the numbers -- scroll down to the more detailed section (Section II). Every single group -- Asians, Black, Hispanic, White -- has seen a decline in reading and math scores since 2012.

How do we measure that DOE's mission is successful? Here's their mission statement:
"ED's mission is to promote student achievement and preparation for global competitiveness by fostering educational excellence and ensuring equal access."

Are they doing it well? I guess one could argue the scores could have declined even more without DOE...

Funding free preschool through the Head Start program, paying for school lunches for poor children, investigating schools when teachers abuse disabled children, paying for adequate staffing for schools in low income low property tax areas, to start.

School achievement is determined by the curriculum chosen to actually teach the children, and the way teachers are trained to instruct. Which has ALWAYS been determined at the local school board level. Reading scores are down because it was a big trend in the last 20 years to stop teaching phonics, which was popularized by an idiot from Columbia Teacher's College.

Combine the misguided poor reading instruction with all the screen time and this is only going to get worse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's not illegal. Trump is in charge of it and has the authority. What can happen is that the necessary programs like FAFSA, Pell grants, etc. can be sent out to contractors or back to HEW/HHSwhere ED came from (HEW). Unnecessary programs (and there are many) return to the states. I was a high ranking officer there supervisong over 100. They could all be fired tomorrow .. all of them. The waste and bloat was unbelievable.

This!