IB Math

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you want the IB Diploma, you have to play by IB's rules. Their rule is you must take the HL exams senior year for them to count towards the diploma.

The work arounds are to:
1) take Analysis in 10th/11th and test the end of 12th (requires diligence and self studying, but not impossible)
2) take a gap year before starting year 2. Take AP Stats online or at another school if your school doesn't offer it, or calculus after analysis year 1.
3) Not worry about the IB credit/diploma and just take the courses you want without the testing nonsense. You'll get credit for multivar since it will be DE.

My kid is not interested in the IB Diploma so we have no intention of playing by IB rules if he attends that HS. The ideal is for him to transfer to an AP school but if that is not allowed then we will happily take the test as a Junior when the material is fresh.

Kids from AP schools are accepted at European schools without any real fuss, the schools seem to be able to interpret grades and AP scores reasonably easy. the IB Diploma has nothing to do with acceptance at colleges in the US, it isn't conferred until well after graduation. The IB program should be a magnate school offering for kids who are interested in completing it instead of forced on kids at select schools who have no other options.

Lewis HS and Robinson HS are the only two that have both IB and AP offerings.

Does anyone know why these high schools offer IB only?
Mount Vernon, Justice, Edison, etc ...

And these high schools offer AP only?
TJHSST, Langley, McLean, Oakton, etc ...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you want the IB Diploma, you have to play by IB's rules. Their rule is you must take the HL exams senior year for them to count towards the diploma.

The work arounds are to:
1) take Analysis in 10th/11th and test the end of 12th (requires diligence and self studying, but not impossible)
2) take a gap year before starting year 2. Take AP Stats online or at another school if your school doesn't offer it, or calculus after analysis year 1.
3) Not worry about the IB credit/diploma and just take the courses you want without the testing nonsense. You'll get credit for multivar since it will be DE.

My kid is not interested in the IB Diploma so we have no intention of playing by IB rules if he attends that HS. The ideal is for him to transfer to an AP school but if that is not allowed then we will happily take the test as a Junior when the material is fresh.

Kids from AP schools are accepted at European schools without any real fuss, the schools seem to be able to interpret grades and AP scores reasonably easy. the IB Diploma has nothing to do with acceptance at colleges in the US, it isn't conferred until well after graduation. The IB program should be a magnate school offering for kids who are interested in completing it instead of forced on kids at select schools who have no other options.

Lewis HS and Robinson HS are the only two that have both IB and AP offerings.

Does anyone know why these high schools offer IB only?
Mount Vernon, Justice, Edison, etc ...

And these high schools offer AP only?
TJHSST, Langley, McLean, Oakton, etc ...

Mostly down to student population and their academic needs.

https://www.fcps.edu/news/fcps-high-schools-ranked-among-best-virginia-and-nation-us-news-and-world-report

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you want the IB Diploma, you have to play by IB's rules. Their rule is you must take the HL exams senior year for them to count towards the diploma.

The work arounds are to:
1) take Analysis in 10th/11th and test the end of 12th (requires diligence and self studying, but not impossible)
2) take a gap year before starting year 2. Take AP Stats online or at another school if your school doesn't offer it, or calculus after analysis year 1.
3) Not worry about the IB credit/diploma and just take the courses you want without the testing nonsense. You'll get credit for multivar since it will be DE.

My kid is not interested in the IB Diploma so we have no intention of playing by IB rules if he attends that HS. The ideal is for him to transfer to an AP school but if that is not allowed then we will happily take the test as a Junior when the material is fresh.

Kids from AP schools are accepted at European schools without any real fuss, the schools seem to be able to interpret grades and AP scores reasonably easy. the IB Diploma has nothing to do with acceptance at colleges in the US, it isn't conferred until well after graduation. The IB program should be a magnate school offering for kids who are interested in completing it instead of forced on kids at select schools who have no other options.

Lewis HS and Robinson HS are the only two that have both IB and AP offerings.

Does anyone know why these high schools offer IB only?
Mount Vernon, Justice, Edison, etc ...

And these high schools offer AP only?
TJHSST, Langley, McLean, Oakton, etc ...

It is a NIGHTMARE to staff so many different advanced courses. You end up with singleton sections of everything, meaning you need to assign teachers 3 preps, find teachers who are willing/able to teach multiple different advanced sections, and figure out how to make the master schedule work. (e.g. If there's only 1 section of HL Analysis and it conflicts with advanced orchestra, you just lost half your analysis kids or half your orchestra.) Really, it's a nightmare to staff IB anyway since it's 6 different advanced math courses (Analysis 1, II HL, II SL and Applications I, IIHL, IISL) vs the 4 AP classes (AP Precalc, Calc AB, Calc BC, Stats). It is wild that any high school offers all 10 advanced classes, and is a testament to the staff and administration if they make it work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think what kids have done at our school is take

10th - IB Analysis 1
11th - Some sort of AP Math Class
12th - IB Analysis 2

So, they have a break between the two classes.

How hard is it to pick back up in 12th? Does it require outside studying?

For SL, no problem, there is tons of review time built in. For HL, our teachers spend may/june after testing doing review sessions for the kids who are on this track.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you want the IB Diploma, you have to play by IB's rules. Their rule is you must take the HL exams senior year for them to count towards the diploma.

The work arounds are to:
1) take Analysis in 10th/11th and test the end of 12th (requires diligence and self studying, but not impossible)
2) take a gap year before starting year 2. Take AP Stats online or at another school if your school doesn't offer it, or calculus after analysis year 1.
3) Not worry about the IB credit/diploma and just take the courses you want without the testing nonsense. You'll get credit for multivar since it will be DE.

My kid is not interested in the IB Diploma so we have no intention of playing by IB rules if he attends that HS. The ideal is for him to transfer to an AP school but if that is not allowed then we will happily take the test as a Junior when the material is fresh.

Kids from AP schools are accepted at European schools without any real fuss, the schools seem to be able to interpret grades and AP scores reasonably easy. the IB Diploma has nothing to do with acceptance at colleges in the US, it isn't conferred until well after graduation. The IB program should be a magnate school offering for kids who are interested in completing it instead of forced on kids at select schools who have no other options.

Lewis HS and Robinson HS are the only two that have both IB and AP offerings.

Does anyone know why these high schools offer IB only?
Mount Vernon, Justice, Edison, etc ...

And these high schools offer AP only?
TJHSST, Langley, McLean, Oakton, etc ...

Mostly down to student population and their academic needs.

https://www.fcps.edu/news/fcps-high-schools-ranked-among-best-virginia-and-nation-us-news-and-world-report

IB has nothing to do with Academic need, it is offered at a few HSs and many of the HSs are high FARMs and high ELL. The idea was to offer a special program in the hopes of Type A MC/UMC families wanting to transfer into the poor performing schools, which would help improve test scores and make the schools more desirable. It didn't work. The IB Diploma is rarely pursued by students, I think Robinson and Marshall have the highest percentage of kids pursuing the IB Diploma and I am pretty sure that it is less then 25% of the student body. The other IB schools are well under 10% of the students pursuing the IB Diploma. Parents with kids at IB schools use it as a reason to transfer to an AP school that is nearby, and normally stronger. Look at the kids from Lewis who transfer to WSHS. The other common path out of an IB school is asking for a foreign language not offered at those schools, SLHS kids used AP and Japanese to transfer to Oakton HS.

[Anonymous]

"In order to receive an IB diploma, candidates must receive a minimum of 24 points or an average of four (or C) out of a possible seven points for six subjects."

It's wishful to hope MC/UMC families would move to a school area for an IB diploma that only requires six Cs to gain it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DC is Algebra II HN in 9th grade. School wants him to take IB Math Applications I next year and the IB Math Analysis I as a junior and IB Math Analysis II as a senior. Am I missing something? I didn't think IB application was needed for IB analysis. He worked hard to accelerate. Is there anything else to do? The IB coordinator said if they did analysis as a sophomore they wouldn't have IB credit for the diploma for math.

Don't go on this path until you educate yourself about the IB curriculum. It is an extremely poor choice for a student accelerated in math. The IB Math classes (both applications and analysis) are a combination of Algebra, Geometry, Precalculus, Calculus and statistics. For comparison HL Analysys is only 55 hours of calculus over two years, while AP Calculus is 180 hours over one year. The rest is review of basic topics like linear equations and quadratics that the student should have mastered well. AP calculus is a better preparation and gets more college credit compared to IB.

It's the same story with science classes. IB HL Physics is algebra based over two years, AP Physics C is calculus based, takes only one year and gets more university credit. Ditto for Chemistry and Biology.

It just seems that the school doesnt know what to do with these advanced kids and is putting them in whatever classes they have available. IB math Applications I is essentially the same as IB Math Analysis I, its like they make your already stong math kid repeat sophomore math in junior year.

IB Diplome is useless, it should be no consideration whatsoever. The IB coordinator may not have your child's best interest in mind, their goal is IB enrollment.

Hopefully transfer to an AP school is possible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DC is Algebra II HN in 9th grade. School wants him to take IB Math Applications I next year and the IB Math Analysis I as a junior and IB Math Analysis II as a senior. Am I missing something? I didn't think IB application was needed for IB analysis. He worked hard to accelerate. Is there anything else to do? The IB coordinator said if they did analysis as a sophomore they wouldn't have IB credit for the diploma for math.

Your child is quite advanced in math, the normal progression is:

10th Precalculus
11th AP Calculus BC
12th AP Statistics, or DE Multivariable and Differential Equations/Linear Algebra.

What they are proposing is roughly
10th IB Applications 1 (Precalculus)
11th IB Analysis 1 (Precalculus)
12th IB Analysis 2 (AP Calculus AB)

Students like your child often double up in math, eg take AP stats along with AP Calculus BC or Multivariable, and would end up accelerating further.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you want the IB Diploma, you have to play by IB's rules. Their rule is you must take the HL exams senior year for them to count towards the diploma.

The work arounds are to:
1) take Analysis in 10th/11th and test the end of 12th (requires diligence and self studying, but not impossible)
2) take a gap year before starting year 2. Take AP Stats online or at another school if your school doesn't offer it, or calculus after analysis year 1.
3) Not worry about the IB credit/diploma and just take the courses you want without the testing nonsense. You'll get credit for multivar since it will be DE.

My kid is not interested in the IB Diploma so we have no intention of playing by IB rules if he attends that HS. The ideal is for him to transfer to an AP school but if that is not allowed then we will happily take the test as a Junior when the material is fresh.

Kids from AP schools are accepted at European schools without any real fuss, the schools seem to be able to interpret grades and AP scores reasonably easy. the IB Diploma has nothing to do with acceptance at colleges in the US, it isn't conferred until well after graduation. The IB program should be a magnate school offering for kids who are interested in completing it instead of forced on kids at select schools who have no other options.

If the kid is not interested in the IB diploma there’s no reason to take any IB math class if AP classes are available. The choice would be between IB Math Analysis I and II versus Precalculus and Calc BC. He can take the Calc BC exam instead of the HL exam and likely will get him more college credit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you want the IB Diploma, you have to play by IB's rules. Their rule is you must take the HL exams senior year for them to count towards the diploma.

The work arounds are to:
1) take Analysis in 10th/11th and test the end of 12th (requires diligence and self studying, but not impossible)
2) take a gap year before starting year 2. Take AP Stats online or at another school if your school doesn't offer it, or calculus after analysis year 1.
3) Not worry about the IB credit/diploma and just take the courses you want without the testing nonsense. You'll get credit for multivar since it will be DE.

My kid is not interested in the IB Diploma so we have no intention of playing by IB rules if he attends that HS. The ideal is for him to transfer to an AP school but if that is not allowed then we will happily take the test as a Junior when the material is fresh.

Kids from AP schools are accepted at European schools without any real fuss, the schools seem to be able to interpret grades and AP scores reasonably easy. the IB Diploma has nothing to do with acceptance at colleges in the US, it isn't conferred until well after graduation. The IB program should be a magnate school offering for kids who are interested in completing it instead of forced on kids at select schools who have no other options.

If the kid is not interested in the IB diploma there’s no reason to take any IB math class if AP classes are available. The choice would be between IB Math Analysis I and II versus Precalculus and Calc BC. He can take the Calc BC exam instead of the HL exam and likely will get him more college credit.

Most of the IB HS in FCPS do not offer AP classes. Robinson does, although the numbers are small, and Lewis is adding AP classes, probably because they are trying to get kids to attend the new Academy program there. IB has not taken root in any school in FCPS, I have no idea why the County continues to pay for it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you want the IB Diploma, you have to play by IB's rules. Their rule is you must take the HL exams senior year for them to count towards the diploma.

The work arounds are to:
1) take Analysis in 10th/11th and test the end of 12th (requires diligence and self studying, but not impossible)
2) take a gap year before starting year 2. Take AP Stats online or at another school if your school doesn't offer it, or calculus after analysis year 1.
3) Not worry about the IB credit/diploma and just take the courses you want without the testing nonsense. You'll get credit for multivar since it will be DE.

My kid is not interested in the IB Diploma so we have no intention of playing by IB rules if he attends that HS. The ideal is for him to transfer to an AP school but if that is not allowed then we will happily take the test as a Junior when the material is fresh.

Kids from AP schools are accepted at European schools without any real fuss, the schools seem to be able to interpret grades and AP scores reasonably easy. the IB Diploma has nothing to do with acceptance at colleges in the US, it isn't conferred until well after graduation. The IB program should be a magnate school offering for kids who are interested in completing it instead of forced on kids at select schools who have no other options.

If the kid is not interested in the IB diploma there’s no reason to take any IB math class if AP classes are available. The choice would be between IB Math Analysis I and II versus Precalculus and Calc BC. He can take the Calc BC exam instead of the HL exam and likely will get him more college credit.

Most of the IB HS in FCPS do not offer AP classes. Robinson does, although the numbers are small, and Lewis is adding AP classes, probably because they are trying to get kids to attend the new Academy program there. IB has not taken root in any school in FCPS, I have no idea why the County continues to pay for it.

Yeah, IB is not very good. Maybe the student could do Dual Enrollment and take corresponding AP exams, but that would require going off campus, it's a hassle.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you want the IB Diploma, you have to play by IB's rules. Their rule is you must take the HL exams senior year for them to count towards the diploma.

The work arounds are to:
1) take Analysis in 10th/11th and test the end of 12th (requires diligence and self studying, but not impossible)
2) take a gap year before starting year 2. Take AP Stats online or at another school if your school doesn't offer it, or calculus after analysis year 1.
3) Not worry about the IB credit/diploma and just take the courses you want without the testing nonsense. You'll get credit for multivar since it will be DE.

My kid is not interested in the IB Diploma so we have no intention of playing by IB rules if he attends that HS. The ideal is for him to transfer to an AP school but if that is not allowed then we will happily take the test as a Junior when the material is fresh.

Kids from AP schools are accepted at European schools without any real fuss, the schools seem to be able to interpret grades and AP scores reasonably easy. the IB Diploma has nothing to do with acceptance at colleges in the US, it isn't conferred until well after graduation. The IB program should be a magnate school offering for kids who are interested in completing it instead of forced on kids at select schools who have no other options.

If the kid is not interested in the IB diploma there’s no reason to take any IB math class if AP classes are available. The choice would be between IB Math Analysis I and II versus Precalculus and Calc BC. He can take the Calc BC exam instead of the HL exam and likely will get him more college credit.

Most of the IB HS in FCPS do not offer AP classes. Robinson does, although the numbers are small, and Lewis is adding AP classes, probably because they are trying to get kids to attend the new Academy program there. IB has not taken root in any school in FCPS, I have no idea why the County continues to pay for it.

Do those schools offer anything past IB Math Analysis II? Because if they don’t the OPs DC is stuck with the classes suggested by the IB coordinator.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you want the IB Diploma, you have to play by IB's rules. Their rule is you must take the HL exams senior year for them to count towards the diploma.

The work arounds are to:
1) take Analysis in 10th/11th and test the end of 12th (requires diligence and self studying, but not impossible)
2) take a gap year before starting year 2. Take AP Stats online or at another school if your school doesn't offer it, or calculus after analysis year 1.
3) Not worry about the IB credit/diploma and just take the courses you want without the testing nonsense. You'll get credit for multivar since it will be DE.

My kid is not interested in the IB Diploma so we have no intention of playing by IB rules if he attends that HS. The ideal is for him to transfer to an AP school but if that is not allowed then we will happily take the test as a Junior when the material is fresh.

Kids from AP schools are accepted at European schools without any real fuss, the schools seem to be able to interpret grades and AP scores reasonably easy. the IB Diploma has nothing to do with acceptance at colleges in the US, it isn't conferred until well after graduation. The IB program should be a magnate school offering for kids who are interested in completing it instead of forced on kids at select schools who have no other options.

If the kid is not interested in the IB diploma there’s no reason to take any IB math class if AP classes are available. The choice would be between IB Math Analysis I and II versus Precalculus and Calc BC. He can take the Calc BC exam instead of the HL exam and likely will get him more college credit.

Most of the IB HS in FCPS do not offer AP classes. Robinson does, although the numbers are small, and Lewis is adding AP classes, probably because they are trying to get kids to attend the new Academy program there. IB has not taken root in any school in FCPS, I have no idea why the County continues to pay for it.

Do those schools offer anything past IB Math Analysis II? Because if they don’t the OPs DC is stuck with the classes suggested by the IB coordinator.

SLHS has multivariate Calculus and Linear Algebra on offer. I think a good number of the HS have similar offerings but I don't know for sure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you want the IB Diploma, you have to play by IB's rules. Their rule is you must take the HL exams senior year for them to count towards the diploma.

The work arounds are to:
1) take Analysis in 10th/11th and test the end of 12th (requires diligence and self studying, but not impossible)
2) take a gap year before starting year 2. Take AP Stats online or at another school if your school doesn't offer it, or calculus after analysis year 1.
3) Not worry about the IB credit/diploma and just take the courses you want without the testing nonsense. You'll get credit for multivar since it will be DE.

My kid is not interested in the IB Diploma so we have no intention of playing by IB rules if he attends that HS. The ideal is for him to transfer to an AP school but if that is not allowed then we will happily take the test as a Junior when the material is fresh.

Kids from AP schools are accepted at European schools without any real fuss, the schools seem to be able to interpret grades and AP scores reasonably easy. the IB Diploma has nothing to do with acceptance at colleges in the US, it isn't conferred until well after graduation. The IB program should be a magnate school offering for kids who are interested in completing it instead of forced on kids at select schools who have no other options.

If the kid is not interested in the IB diploma there’s no reason to take any IB math class if AP classes are available. The choice would be between IB Math Analysis I and II versus Precalculus and Calc BC. He can take the Calc BC exam instead of the HL exam and likely will get him more college credit.

Most of the IB HS in FCPS do not offer AP classes. Robinson does, although the numbers are small, and Lewis is adding AP classes, probably because they are trying to get kids to attend the new Academy program there. IB has not taken root in any school in FCPS, I have no idea why the County continues to pay for it.

Do those schools offer anything past IB Math Analysis II? Because if they don’t the OPs DC is stuck with the classes suggested by the IB coordinator.

SLHS has multivariate Calculus and Linear Algebra on offer. I think a good number of the HS have similar offerings but I don't know for sure.

When do those students take the Math HL exam? Do they go for Diploma or generally don’t?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think what kids have done at our school is take

10th - IB Analysis 1
11th - Some sort of AP Math Class
12th - IB Analysis 2

So, they have a break between the two classes.

How hard is it to pick back up in 12th? Does it require outside studying?

For SL, no problem, there is tons of review time built in. For HL, our teachers spend may/june after testing doing review sessions for the kids who are on this track.

At your school can students that took HL in 11th join the review classes even though not in HL in 12th or are they truly just on their own to study? That’s awful if case and to be suggests even more than any kids advanced in math would try to leave IB school rather than IB school “attracting” any students.