Interesting take on Dartmouth’s ED process

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The guy was literally reading each line from the article and I just couldn't keep watching the video. We could read, too. What was his main point?

From his tone, I think his point was that Dartmouth is trying to manage admissions by emphasizing equality of outcome—which he doesn’t like. And he further doesn’t like that rather than being transparent about this, they are pretending that being transparent would “add stress” to students.
Fact is—they don’t want their admissions classes to be only kids who score 1550-1600 on the SAT. They want kids who score better than 90% of the peers *from their given high school* so that the makeup of the class will be diverse. But it’s strategically diverse because they are still taking high-achievers and “winners” from their respective environments!
Bro doesn’t like that so he’s sneering at it in the video and calling it sneaky.

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Anonymous wrote:Sharing for those who may be interested in applying to Dartmouth. Found the press release and the individual’s take on it to be interesting.

https://youtu.be/dQRenAWxpzg?si=nOLFpOqlOy5jDxpW

Nothing important gained, could’ve been 5 minutes. This is just some guy mad about anti white discrimination even though Dartmouth is full of white and Asian students. The school is basically doing pre-Covid admissions without AA, cool.

Is he wrong?

I don't think that he was wrong but there was nothing new in terms of information. It is well known that you are evaluated in context of your school, that they want more rural kids, and that things like QB and Posse are becoming increasingly important resources to screen candidates in a manner that the schools themselves cannot. 3-5 minutes would have been plenty.

And posse is for ALL students. It’s a merit scholarship.

Posse's target profile isn't the typical DVM family on DCUM.

Sure but DS’s roomate is a posse scholar and his dads an investment banker and mom is a corporate lawyer.

That would be the exception rather than the rule. Getting accepted to posse with that profile is a feat in itself.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The guy was literally reading each line from the article and I just couldn't keep watching the video. We could read, too. What was his main point?

From his tone, I think his point was that Dartmouth is trying to manage admissions by emphasizing equality of outcome—which he doesn’t like. And he further doesn’t like that rather than being transparent about this, they are pretending that being transparent would “add stress” to students.
Fact is—they don’t want their admissions classes to be only kids who score 1550-1600 on the SAT. They want kids who score better than 90% of the peers *from their given high school* so that the makeup of the class will be diverse. But it’s strategically diverse because they are still taking high-achievers and “winners” from their respective environments!
Bro doesn’t like that so he’s sneering at it in the video and calling it sneaky.

I think that you are spot on.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sharing for those who may be interested in applying to Dartmouth. Found the press release and the individual’s take on it to be interesting.

https://youtu.be/dQRenAWxpzg?si=nOLFpOqlOy5jDxpW

Nothing important gained, could’ve been 5 minutes. This is just some guy mad about anti white discrimination even though Dartmouth is full of white and Asian students. The school is basically doing pre-Covid admissions without AA, cool.

Is he wrong?

I don't think that he was wrong but there was nothing new in terms of information. It is well known that you are evaluated in context of your school, that they want more rural kids, and that things like QB and Posse are becoming increasingly important resources to screen candidates in a manner that the schools themselves cannot. 3-5 minutes would have been plenty.

And posse is for ALL students. It’s a merit scholarship.

Posse's target profile isn't the typical DVM family on DCUM.

Sure but DS’s roomate is a posse scholar and his dads an investment banker and mom is a corporate lawyer.

That would be the exception rather than the rule. Getting accepted to posse with that profile is a feat in itself.

Getting accepted to posse is a feat. Most of DC’s colleges posse chapter is middle class, not poor at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The guy was literally reading each line from the article and I just couldn't keep watching the video. We could read, too. What was his main point?

From his tone, I think his point was that Dartmouth is trying to manage admissions by emphasizing equality of outcome—which he doesn’t like. And he further doesn’t like that rather than being transparent about this, they are pretending that being transparent would “add stress” to students.
Fact is—they don’t want their admissions classes to be only kids who score 1550-1600 on the SAT. They want kids who score better than 90% of the peers *from their given high school* so that the makeup of the class will be diverse. But it’s strategically diverse because they are still taking high-achievers and “winners” from their respective environments!
Bro doesn’t like that so he’s sneering at it in the video and calling it sneaky.

Has he been absent from college admissions for the past two decades?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The guy was literally reading each line from the article and I just couldn't keep watching the video. We could read, too. What was his main point?

From his tone, I think his point was that Dartmouth is trying to manage admissions by emphasizing equality of outcome—which he doesn’t like. And he further doesn’t like that rather than being transparent about this, they are pretending that being transparent would “add stress” to students.
Fact is—they don’t want their admissions classes to be only kids who score 1550-1600 on the SAT. They want kids who score better than 90% of the peers *from their given high school* so that the makeup of the class will be diverse. But it’s strategically diverse because they are still taking high-achievers and “winners” from their respective environments!
Bro doesn’t like that so he’s sneering at it in the video and calling it sneaky.

Isn’t taking top kids from each high school what they’ve always done? Except it used to be called class rank, and now many high schools refuse to rank, so Dartmouth is looking to the SAT instead.

[Anonymous]

Agree with PPs - I used to work for a POSSE funder & was really surprised when I saw the background of the participants. They present the program as one providing for opportunity for alternative candidates (e.g. not the typical UMC student) and yet I met a POSSE scholar from the Upper East Side with parents with high caliber jobs. Don't really understand their rationale. Seems a lot like the "first gen" label including kids who have one wealthy immigrant parent who attended uni in another country but are otherwise indistinguishable from all of their UMC peers. Strange systems, purporting to assist low income kids but in reality drawing from subsets of the same old privileged pool (and boosting the chances of those kids for reasons not having to do with economic disadvantage).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The guy was literally reading each line from the article and I just couldn't keep watching the video. We could read, too. What was his main point?

He is interpreting the press release.
Dartmouth says it won't release stats to reduce stress but ends up selectively releasing a ton of stats.
The implication is that Dartmouth is releasing flattering statistics.

Also Dartmouth will be using sat scores within the context of the school of the applicant.
So a 1500 from one school might mean less than a 1300 from another school. This seems to be the way schools are circumventing the racial restrictions of SFFA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sharing for those who may be interested in applying to Dartmouth. Found the press release and the individual’s take on it to be interesting.

https://youtu.be/dQRenAWxpzg?si=nOLFpOqlOy5jDxpW

Nothing important gained, could’ve been 5 minutes. This is just some guy mad about anti white discrimination even though Dartmouth is full of white and Asian students. The school is basically doing pre-Covid admissions without AA, cool.

I knew exactly who you were referring to before clicking the video. This man couldn't be more obsessed with race.

Yeah, he is pretty obsessed with racial discrimination in college admissions. It's like he thinks its a bad thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The guy was literally reading each line from the article and I just couldn't keep watching the video. We could read, too. What was his main point?

He is interpreting the press release.
Dartmouth says it won't release stats to reduce stress but ends up selectively releasing a ton of stats.
The implication is that Dartmouth is releasing flattering statistics.

Also Dartmouth will be using sat scores within the context of the school of the applicant.
So a 1500 from one school might mean less than a 1300 from another school. This seems to be the way schools are circumventing the racial restrictions of SFFA.

But Dartmouth is also looking for low income and rural students, and many are white and some Asian-Americans, which I think is fine. Looking at SAT scores within a school also benefits poor and rural non-URM kids. Yes, they want to keep racial diversity but they also want Pell and rural students because of public criticism that the school is primarily UMC/rich kids and USNews ranking now considers those metrics.