Hey is it good diplomacy to demand the Panama Canal back?

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Anonymous wrote:Just curious, because Fox News somehow isn’t running this story. https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/trump-says-he-might-demand-panama-hand-over-canal-2024-12-22/

Can another huge Trump supporter just like me share how happy they are at this incredible statesmanship? It’s like he was anointed by God to be president.

I hope this is satire....I can't tell anymore. If it's not you people are true idiots.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:36 trillion in debt. We finally have a businessman

Who has gone bankrupt many times.

And works like a true mobster. Ick.

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Once we buy Greenland we won't need to use the Panama Canal. We'll just ship stuff directly over the poles to our Canadian states. Genius.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:36 trillion in debt. We finally have a businessman

Who has gone bankrupt many times.

And works like a true mobster. Ick.

1) not 36 trillion years n red ink like the swamp

2) more noble than “the big guy”

[Anonymous]

Yes, it is good diplomacy. The US built and paid for the Panama Canal. The issue Trump is raising is about China-controlled ports there, and I don't see why the US should have to put up with China imposing extortionate fees on access to a canal we built. It's actually very bad foreign policy to ignore our adversaries and cede dominance to them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just curious, because Fox News somehow isn’t running this story. https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/trump-says-he-might-demand-panama-hand-over-canal-2024-12-22/

Can another huge Trump supporter just like me share how happy they are at this incredible statesmanship? It’s like he was anointed by God to be president.

I hope this is satire....I can't tell anymore. If it's not you people are true idiots.

It's not satire. We didn't pay for the panama canal and give it to Panama out of the kindness of our hearts. They agreed to provisions that they aren't enforcing, to the benefit of China and the detriment of the US.

This issues goes to the heart of the divide between the left and the right. The left dislikes the US, hates our flag, despises patriotism, and wants to see us suffer on the world stage. The right embraces our role as superpower and wants the government to assert American interests where appropriate. And this is absolutely an appropriate venue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know there are a lot of people that either think this is a show of strength on the world stage or who don't care because they think isolationism is a good idea.

But.

The first time around Trump could be seen as an anomaly. Now he can't. And countries that were once our strongest allies, who looked to us to set the tone for global action for the last 70 years, think we are a joke. It may never affect some people, or not in ways they will recognize. But we are all about to find out what happens when America is a second tier global player.

Yep. Lots and lots of people agree that the government should be standing up for us in ways that improve the economy. Lots of us, it's not an anomaly, we'll be here each election.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh so, it’s 4d chess when Trump send a bunch of angry messages to random allies? And it helps our position on the world stage? I’m just hoping someone can confirm that. Thanks!

Panama was the very first country in Latin America to sign on to the Belt and Road Initiative. That's not "ally" behavior. Panama can't lay out a red carpet for an adversary, worsen our economy, and then claim they are still an ally.

[Anonymous]

Oh I get it, all these world leaders look forward to being yelled at on Twitter by Trump. In now way, do his rants harm our reputation! He’s a stable genius and his all caps twitter jabs at countries and people definitely help advance American interests!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just curious, because Fox News somehow isn’t running this story. https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/trump-says-he-might-demand-panama-hand-over-canal-2024-12-22/

Can another huge Trump supporter just like me share how happy they are at this incredible statesmanship? It’s like he was anointed by God to be president.

I hope this is satire....I can't tell anymore. If it's not you people are true idiots.

It's not satire. We didn't pay for the panama canal and give it to Panama out of the kindness of our hearts. They agreed to provisions that they aren't enforcing, to the benefit of China and the detriment of the US.

This issues goes to the heart of the divide between the left and the right. The left dislikes the US, hates our flag, despises patriotism, and wants to see us suffer on the world stage. The right embraces our role as superpower and wants the government to assert American interests where appropriate. And this is absolutely an appropriate venue.

The right flees from the US acting as a superpower. You are isolationist and refuse to acknowledge alliances that are in the US interest. Tearing up a treaty to extort money from a developing economy is not diplomacy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just curious, because Fox News somehow isn’t running this story. https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/trump-says-he-might-demand-panama-hand-over-canal-2024-12-22/

Can another huge Trump supporter just like me share how happy they are at this incredible statesmanship? It’s like he was anointed by God to be president.

I hope this is satire....I can't tell anymore. If it's not you people are true idiots.

It's not satire. We didn't pay for the panama canal and give it to Panama out of the kindness of our hearts. They agreed to provisions that they aren't enforcing, to the benefit of China and the detriment of the US.

This issues goes to the heart of the divide between the left and the right. The left dislikes the US, hates our flag, despises patriotism, and wants to see us suffer on the world stage. The right embraces our role as superpower and wants the government to assert American interests where appropriate. And this is absolutely an appropriate venue.

The right flees from the US acting as a superpower. You are isolationist and refuse to acknowledge alliances that are in the US interest. Tearing up a treaty to extort money from a developing economy is not diplomacy.

Panama tore up the treaty when they violated its primary provisions. It's absolutely insane to me that you people think that other countries can do that and that the US has no right to respond. Re isolationism, I have no idea what you're talking about. This entire thread is full of people wringing their hands because of Trump's manifold foreign interactions lately. That doesn't sound isolationist at all. Open your eyes and see with your own eyes, not what the talking points tell you. Look up what isolationism is. And then look at what Trump does. Think your own thoughts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh so, it’s 4d chess when Trump send a bunch of angry messages to random allies? And it helps our position on the world stage? I’m just hoping someone can confirm that. Thanks!

Panama was the very first country in Latin America to sign on to the Belt and Road Initiative. That's not "ally" behavior. Panama can't lay out a red carpet for an adversary, worsen our economy, and then claim they are still an ally.

Trump immediately notices this stuff

Libs are still trying to figure out what gender they are.

The first posters on this thread have probably never even heard of the Belt and Road initiative. They think diplomacy is about saying nice things so other countries will like us. It's not. It's about advancing American interests.

Can you just give a straight answer? Do you think it’s presidential, or even intelligent, and good for our international relations, for Trump to yell at Panama on Twitter? And yell at Canada calling it America’s 51st state (as if we are to annex it). Offer to buy Greenland? Or to yell at BRIC countries?

What do most people do when you yell at them? I’m just really curious if you actually think it strengthens our standing when Trump does this? You really think it does anything beneficial? Yelling and making absurd, childish hissy fits? We can’t just “take back the canal” as he said. Canada is not our 51st state. Can’t you see this talk is harmful?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh so, it’s 4d chess when Trump send a bunch of angry messages to random allies? And it helps our position on the world stage? I’m just hoping someone can confirm that. Thanks!

Panama was the very first country in Latin America to sign on to the Belt and Road Initiative. That's not "ally" behavior. Panama can't lay out a red carpet for an adversary, worsen our economy, and then claim they are still an ally.

Of course Panama subscribes to the Belt and Road initiative. China has been aggressively courting Africa and Latin America with foreign aid, much as the US did in the Cold War, but no longer does. Now remind me which party keeps trying to eliminate foreign aid from the budget? Which part refers to counties like Panama as “sh&tholes”? Trump is trying to out-thug Putin in this hemisphere but anyone can see he’s a nonentity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just curious, because Fox News somehow isn’t running this story. https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/trump-says-he-might-demand-panama-hand-over-canal-2024-12-22/

Can another huge Trump supporter just like me share how happy they are at this incredible statesmanship? It’s like he was anointed by God to be president.

I hope this is satire....I can't tell anymore. If it's not you people are true idiots.

It's not satire. We didn't pay for the panama canal and give it to Panama out of the kindness of our hearts. They agreed to provisions that they aren't enforcing, to the benefit of China and the detriment of the US.

This issues goes to the heart of the divide between the left and the right. The left dislikes the US, hates our flag, despises patriotism, and wants to see us suffer on the world stage. The right embraces our role as superpower and wants the government to assert American interests where appropriate. And this is absolutely an appropriate venue.

The right flees from the US acting as a superpower. You are isolationist and refuse to acknowledge alliances that are in the US interest. Tearing up a treaty to extort money from a developing economy is not diplomacy.

Panama tore up the treaty when they violated its primary provisions. It's absolutely insane to me that you people think that other countries can do that and that the US has no right to respond. Re isolationism, I have no idea what you're talking about. This entire thread is full of people wringing their hands because of Trump's manifold foreign interactions lately. That doesn't sound isolationist at all. Open your eyes and see with your own eyes, not what the talking points tell you. Look up what isolationism is. And then look at what Trump does. Think your own thoughts.

Umm trump is about to abandon Ukraine because of Isolationist policy. Does Fox News tell you anything useful?

Also, his “foreign interactions” of late have been him screaming at countries on Twitter. Do you think that helps our international standing and alliances?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh so, it’s 4d chess when Trump send a bunch of angry messages to random allies? And it helps our position on the world stage? I’m just hoping someone can confirm that. Thanks!

Panama was the very first country in Latin America to sign on to the Belt and Road Initiative. That's not "ally" behavior. Panama can't lay out a red carpet for an adversary, worsen our economy, and then claim they are still an ally.

Trump immediately notices this stuff

Libs are still trying to figure out what gender they are.

The first posters on this thread have probably never even heard of the Belt and Road initiative. They think diplomacy is about saying nice things so other countries will like us. It's not. It's about advancing American interests.

Well genius, diplomacy is about carrots and sticks. Since threatening to invade Panama with the military and take back the canal isn’t a realistic threat, it’s not an effective negotiating tactic. It’s just throwing a tantrum.