Friend who works in pharma went on a rant about how bad Ozempic etc is for people. ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We have seen this over and over again. Literally don’t care what fat people do or take to fix themselves but there is no free lunch when it comes to losing weight- it’s discipline and effort or it’s drugs with side effects. Not fat don’t care.

These drugs help so so much. If you haven’t tried it, you have no idea.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well a drug can produce a good result while also having risks and bad side effects.

This is the reality of things. It’s up to the individual to weigh the pros and cons in their specific situation and make a personal choice.

This.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because most people view the universe through the lens of their own experience and cannot fathom that it is different for other people.

I have drunk alcohol since my teens, yet I have never had a problem with alcohol. I can take it or leave it. I am not into shopping, never done it to excess. Don't have any interest in gambling. I can sit down and take a standardized test and ace it, no sweat. But put me in a room with food and my brain goes haywire. I cannot control myself.

That's how MY brain works. Not how others' work.

Nothing helped me understand this more than having a child with special needs whose brain works so differently than mine.

So much of what we all do in a day is controlled by our brain and body chemistry, and we're just now realizing this when it comes to obesity.

Society still stigmatizes alcoholism, drug addiction, neurodiversities, clinical depression, mental illness, but not as much as it stigmatizes and in fact demonizes obesity.

I hope we are making progress. I believe we are. But it is slow going.

It is slow going, but we just made a quantum leap

[Anonymous]

No we didn’t. We just made more excuses. “Food noise” lol. You mean lack of discipline and a lifetime of yo yo dieting. Now you need to shove a pill in your face to not eat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your friend is probably very insecure about his own weight, and also anxious about trying this drug himself because he's in a position to read about the clinical trial dossiers and post-commercialization reports on severe side effects.

I have to say, as a biologist working in pharma, he's not wrong: some people have died due to complications from slow-moving bowels, and a lot of people taking this drug will realize they can't stop taking it, otherwise the weight will come back. If I had weight issues, I would hesitate to try it too, because I've read some research articles about it that are quite disturbing!

Let's just say it's not the miracle drug people think it is. I hope your husband and sibling are very educated about it and know the limitations of their medication.

I totally disagree. I think it is a miracle drug. 75 percent of Americans are overweight. This drug helps tremendously, with relatively manageable side effects. To ignore that is so short sighted.

But people will argue vehemently that you can be fit and fat. Why are we suddenly rushing to use drugs to control weight if it doesn’t matter? Also, let’s see how these lab rats fare in a few years after continued use.

You do know it has been studied in lab rats for years, right? It was used for diabetes control

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No we didn’t. We just made more excuses. “Food noise” lol. You mean lack of discipline and a lifetime of yo yo dieting. Now you need to shove a pill in your face to not eat.

It’s not a pill…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your friend is probably very insecure about his own weight, and also anxious about trying this drug himself because he's in a position to read about the clinical trial dossiers and post-commercialization reports on severe side effects.

I have to say, as a biologist working in pharma, he's not wrong: some people have died due to complications from slow-moving bowels, and a lot of people taking this drug will realize they can't stop taking it, otherwise the weight will come back. If I had weight issues, I would hesitate to try it too, because I've read some research articles about it that are quite disturbing!

Let's just say it's not the miracle drug people think it is. I hope your husband and sibling are very educated about it and know the limitations of their medication.

I totally disagree. I think it is a miracle drug. 75 percent of Americans are overweight. This drug helps tremendously, with relatively manageable side effects. To ignore that is so short sighted.

PP you replied to. I say this very seriously. No drug is a miracle drug. Even penicillin, which saved millions of lives immediately when it put on the market before WWII.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your friend is probably very insecure about his own weight, and also anxious about trying this drug himself because he's in a position to read about the clinical trial dossiers and post-commercialization reports on severe side effects.

I have to say, as a biologist working in pharma, he's not wrong: some people have died due to complications from slow-moving bowels, and a lot of people taking this drug will realize they can't stop taking it, otherwise the weight will come back. If I had weight issues, I would hesitate to try it too, because I've read some research articles about it that are quite disturbing!

Let's just say it's not the miracle drug people think it is. I hope your husband and sibling are very educated about it and know the limitations of their medication.

I totally disagree. I think it is a miracle drug. 75 percent of Americans are overweight. This drug helps tremendously, with relatively manageable side effects. To ignore that is so short sighted.

But people will argue vehemently that you can be fit and fat. Why are we suddenly rushing to use drugs to control weight if it doesn’t matter? Also, let’s see how these lab rats fare in a few years after continued use.

You do know it has been studied in lab rats for years, right? It was used for diabetes control

Cool. Let’s still check back in a few years and see how everyone is doing.

[Anonymous]

Drug sounded more offensive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your friend is probably very insecure about his own weight, and also anxious about trying this drug himself because he's in a position to read about the clinical trial dossiers and post-commercialization reports on severe side effects.

I have to say, as a biologist working in pharma, he's not wrong: some people have died due to complications from slow-moving bowels, and a lot of people taking this drug will realize they can't stop taking it, otherwise the weight will come back. If I had weight issues, I would hesitate to try it too, because I've read some research articles about it that are quite disturbing!

Let's just say it's not the miracle drug people think it is. I hope your husband and sibling are very educated about it and know the limitations of their medication.

I totally disagree. I think it is a miracle drug. 75 percent of Americans are overweight. This drug helps tremendously, with relatively manageable side effects. To ignore that is so short sighted.

But people will argue vehemently that you can be fit and fat. Why are we suddenly rushing to use drugs to control weight if it doesn’t matter? Also, let’s see how these lab rats fare in a few years after continued use.

Not all people are the same.
You can be fit and fat.
Fat also increases some risks like diabetes.

Everyone including ops friend should myob

[Anonymous]

You say your friend words in Pharma but didn't really connect that to their 'rant' about the drug. Do they know things not being reported? Was their market area insulin which is now less profitable for these companies?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your friend is probably very insecure about his own weight, and also anxious about trying this drug himself because he's in a position to read about the clinical trial dossiers and post-commercialization reports on severe side effects.

I have to say, as a biologist working in pharma, he's not wrong: some people have died due to complications from slow-moving bowels, and a lot of people taking this drug will realize they can't stop taking it, otherwise the weight will come back. If I had weight issues, I would hesitate to try it too, because I've read some research articles about it that are quite disturbing!

Let's just say it's not the miracle drug people think it is. I hope your husband and sibling are very educated about it and know the limitations of their medication.

I totally disagree. I think it is a miracle drug. 75 percent of Americans are overweight. This drug helps tremendously, with relatively manageable side effects. To ignore that is so short sighted.

PP you replied to. I say this very seriously. No drug is a miracle drug. Even penicillin, which saved millions of lives immediately when it put on the market before WWII.

Ok that’s just dumb. Penicillin is a miracle drug. Of course there are side effects. Aspirin kills more people a year than Ozempic but we’d never say not to use aspirin

Also the fact that you say things like ‘I say this very seriously’ makes you sound idiotic. Who the F are you and why would anyone care what you ‘say seriously’? Lol

[Anonymous]

Did you know in Europe they don’t even use it for diabetic patients? They’re so far advanced medically than us, they already know it’s bad for you. But Americans are so stupid, they’ll use anything for a quick fix instead of just not eating 20 Oreos

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because most people view the universe through the lens of their own experience and cannot fathom that it is different for other people.

I have drunk alcohol since my teens, yet I have never had a problem with alcohol. I can take it or leave it. I am not into shopping, never done it to excess. Don't have any interest in gambling. I can sit down and take a standardized test and ace it, no sweat. But put me in a room with food and my brain goes haywire. I cannot control myself.

That's how MY brain works. Not how others' work.

Nothing helped me understand this more than having a child with special needs whose brain works so differently than mine.

So much of what we all do in a day is controlled by our brain and body chemistry, and we're just now realizing this when it comes to obesity.

Society still stigmatizes alcoholism, drug addiction, neurodiversities, clinical depression, mental illness, but not as much as it stigmatizes and in fact demonizes obesity.

I hope we are making progress. I believe we are. But it is slow going.

Be for real. Society stigmatizes drug addiction and mental illness just as much as obesity. Like you said you’re only viewing the world from your perspective if you think otherwise. I take it you’re obese.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your friend is probably very insecure about his own weight, and also anxious about trying this drug himself because he's in a position to read about the clinical trial dossiers and post-commercialization reports on severe side effects.

I have to say, as a biologist working in pharma, he's not wrong: some people have died due to complications from slow-moving bowels, and a lot of people taking this drug will realize they can't stop taking it, otherwise the weight will come back. If I had weight issues, I would hesitate to try it too, because I've read some research articles about it that are quite disturbing!

Let's just say it's not the miracle drug people think it is. I hope your husband and sibling are very educated about it and know the limitations of their medication.

I totally disagree. I think it is a miracle drug. 75 percent of Americans are overweight. This drug helps tremendously, with relatively manageable side effects. To ignore that is so short sighted.

But people will argue vehemently that you can be fit and fat. Why are we suddenly rushing to use drugs to control weight if it doesn’t matter? Also, let’s see how these lab rats fare in a few years after continued use.

Not all people are the same.
You can be fit and fat.
Fat also increases some risks like diabetes.

Everyone including ops friend should myob

Right on cue!