Friend who works in pharma went on a rant about how bad Ozempic etc is for people. ?

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I didn’t have the nerve to tell her my dh is on it, as is my sibling, and both look and feel great.

Why do people who’ve never been on it trash these drugs? Interestingly this friend needs to lose weight related to a very serious health condition that is affected by weight. The issue seemed very sensitive so I didn’t want to argue, but I don’t understand the rigidity.

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self-control. People like people that have self-control and self-regulation.

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But unfortunately many people don’t, can’t etc.



My dh has diabetes. My sibling some other health related issues that have put him on meds that make weight loss hard.

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Some people are just miserable

[Anonymous]

Well a drug can produce a good result while also having risks and bad side effects.

This is the reality of things. It’s up to the individual to weigh the pros and cons in their specific situation and make a personal choice.

[Anonymous]

Your friend is probably very insecure about his own weight, and also anxious about trying this drug himself because he's in a position to read about the clinical trial dossiers and post-commercialization reports on severe side effects.

I have to say, as a biologist working in pharma, he's not wrong: some people have died due to complications from slow-moving bowels, and a lot of people taking this drug will realize they can't stop taking it, otherwise the weight will come back. If I had weight issues, I would hesitate to try it too, because I've read some research articles about it that are quite disturbing!

Let's just say it's not the miracle drug people think it is. I hope your husband and sibling are very educated about it and know the limitations of their medication.

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Because most people view the universe through the lens of their own experience and cannot fathom that it is different for other people.

I have drunk alcohol since my teens, yet I have never had a problem with alcohol. I can take it or leave it. I am not into shopping, never done it to excess. Don't have any interest in gambling. I can sit down and take a standardized test and ace it, no sweat. But put me in a room with food and my brain goes haywire. I cannot control myself.

That's how MY brain works. Not how others' work.

Nothing helped me understand this more than having a child with special needs whose brain works so differently than mine.

So much of what we all do in a day is controlled by our brain and body chemistry, and we're just now realizing this when it comes to obesity.

Society still stigmatizes alcoholism, drug addiction, neurodiversities, clinical depression, mental illness, but not as much as it stigmatizes and in fact demonizes obesity.

I hope we are making progress. I believe we are. But it is slow going.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well a drug can produce a good result while also having risks and bad side effects.

This is the reality of things. It’s up to the individual to weigh the pros and cons in their specific situation and make a personal choice.

+1

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I think most people understand that there is a maintenance dose required

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Your friend is probably very insecure about his own weight, and also anxious about trying this drug himself because he's in a position to read about the clinical trial dossiers and post-commercialization reports on severe side effects.

I have to say, as a biologist working in pharma, he's not wrong: some people have died due to complications from slow-moving bowels, and a lot of people taking this drug will realize they can't stop taking it, otherwise the weight will come back. If I had weight issues, I would hesitate to try it too, because I've read some research articles about it that are quite disturbing!

Let's just say it's not the miracle drug people think it is. I hope your husband and sibling are very educated about it and know the limitations of their medication.

I totally disagree. I think it is a miracle drug. 75 percent of Americans are overweight. This drug helps tremendously, with relatively manageable side effects. To ignore that is so short sighted.

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Anonymous wrote:But unfortunately many people don’t, can’t etc.



My dh has diabetes. My sibling some other health related issues that have put him on meds that make weight loss hard.

Both are on it for medical reasons.

I think it's awful for people that don't have a medical need for it. People with a medical need should absolutely use it if they need to with no shame. The people who use it for vanity purposes to lose 20 lbs are lazy and deserve to be shamed. And have all the nasty side effects that come with it.

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We have seen this over and over again. Literally don’t care what fat people do or take to fix themselves but there is no free lunch when it comes to losing weight- it’s discipline and effort or it’s drugs with side effects. Not fat don’t care.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your friend is probably very insecure about his own weight, and also anxious about trying this drug himself because he's in a position to read about the clinical trial dossiers and post-commercialization reports on severe side effects.

I have to say, as a biologist working in pharma, he's not wrong: some people have died due to complications from slow-moving bowels, and a lot of people taking this drug will realize they can't stop taking it, otherwise the weight will come back. If I had weight issues, I would hesitate to try it too, because I've read some research articles about it that are quite disturbing!

Let's just say it's not the miracle drug people think it is. I hope your husband and sibling are very educated about it and know the limitations of their medication.

I totally disagree. I think it is a miracle drug. 75 percent of Americans are overweight. This drug helps tremendously, with relatively manageable side effects. To ignore that is so short sighted.

But people will argue vehemently that you can be fit and fat. Why are we suddenly rushing to use drugs to control weight if it doesn’t matter? Also, let’s see how these lab rats fare in a few years after continued use.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But unfortunately many people don’t, can’t etc.



My dh has diabetes. My sibling some other health related issues that have put him on meds that make weight loss hard.

Both are on it for medical reasons.

I think it's awful for people that don't have a medical need for it. People with a medical need should absolutely use it if they need to with no shame. The people who use it for vanity purposes to lose 20 lbs are lazy and deserve to be shamed. And have all the nasty side effects that come with it.

Well, they can just keep eating themselves fatter till it becomes “necessary”.

Fat people being mad at vanity weight loss is as stupid as thin people being mad fat people take it. Who cares!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your friend is probably very insecure about his own weight, and also anxious about trying this drug himself because he's in a position to read about the clinical trial dossiers and post-commercialization reports on severe side effects.

I have to say, as a biologist working in pharma, he's not wrong: some people have died due to complications from slow-moving bowels, and a lot of people taking this drug will realize they can't stop taking it, otherwise the weight will come back. If I had weight issues, I would hesitate to try it too, because I've read some research articles about it that are quite disturbing!

Let's just say it's not the miracle drug people think it is. I hope your husband and sibling are very educated about it and know the limitations of their medication.

I totally disagree. I think it is a miracle drug. 75 percent of Americans are overweight. This drug helps tremendously, with relatively manageable side effects. To ignore that is so short sighted.

But people will argue vehemently that you can be fit and fat. Why are we suddenly rushing to use drugs to control weight if it doesn’t matter? Also, let’s see how these lab rats fare in a few years after continued use.

Come on, we know that’s wishful thinking. You can be fitter and fat. But not truly fit if you’re fat