Is it irresponsible to free-range a destructive defiant tween?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If your kid has known issues respecting safety rules and adults generally, should you watch them more closely at public events, or do you just unleash them onto the world?

You may feel entitled to dump your destructive sociopathic s**thead onto your local public school, or shove cash over to some parochial private for some special attention, but outside of school, do you think it's fair to the rest of us to let him out of your sight, knowing he'll likely go wreak havoc all around, hoping it won't come back to you?

I think you don't understand some truly difficult mental health disorders?

Sometimes there is no solution, OP. Some parents are literally killed by their mentally ill children. Some parents have to renounce their guardianship of their own bio kid so that they can be institutionalized by the state, in order to not live in fear in their own homes, and in order for their other children to feel safe. It takes a while to get there.

I take it you're not ranting about some run-of-the-mill kid behavior.

Even assuming we are talking about that strawman of "truly difficult mental health disorder" in a tween, you do think it's ok to free-range that kid?

Details, OP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If your kid has known issues respecting safety rules and adults generally, should you watch them more closely at public events, or do you just unleash them onto the world?

You may feel entitled to dump your destructive sociopathic s**thead onto your local public school, or shove cash over to some parochial private for some special attention, but outside of school, do you think it's fair to the rest of us to let him out of your sight, knowing he'll likely go wreak havoc all around, hoping it won't come back to you?

I think you don't understand some truly difficult mental health disorders?

Sometimes there is no solution, OP. Some parents are literally killed by their mentally ill children. Some parents have to renounce their guardianship of their own bio kid so that they can be institutionalized by the state, in order to not live in fear in their own homes, and in order for their other children to feel safe. It takes a while to get there.

I take it you're not ranting about some run-of-the-mill kid behavior.

Even assuming we are talking about that strawman of "truly difficult mental health disorder" in a tween, you do think it's ok to free-range that kid?

Sorry, I can't talk to someone who uses that word in the context of serious mental disorders.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP said tween. Not a teen.

Same difference. Most tweens are too big to manhandle, in which case, what do you do if they're stubborn enough to run away? I mean, clearly OP hasn't been around serious cases. OP probably wants all of us to tell her that those parents are crappy for neglecting/spoiling their kid, but sometimes, that's just not what's happening.

Of course there is a difference between an eleven yr old and a nineteen yr old.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If your kid has known issues respecting safety rules and adults generally, should you watch them more closely at public events, or do you just unleash them onto the world?

You may feel entitled to dump your destructive sociopathic s**thead onto your local public school, or shove cash over to some parochial private for some special attention, but outside of school, do you think it's fair to the rest of us to let him out of your sight, knowing he'll likely go wreak havoc all around, hoping it won't come back to you?

I think you don't understand some truly difficult mental health disorders?

Sometimes there is no solution, OP. Some parents are literally killed by their mentally ill children. Some parents have to renounce their guardianship of their own bio kid so that they can be institutionalized by the state, in order to not live in fear in their own homes, and in order for their other children to feel safe. It takes a while to get there.

I take it you're not ranting about some run-of-the-mill kid behavior.

Even assuming we are talking about that strawman of "truly difficult mental health disorder" in a tween, you do think it's ok to free-range that kid?

Sorry, I can't talk to someone who uses that word in the context of serious mental disorders.

Right. You're inventing/projecting the context of serious mental disorder. That is what makes it a strawman. I'm referring to destructive sociopathic shithead tweens. You should assume that 'sociopathic', when apposed to 'shithead' is as much hyperbole and frustration as it is a wild diagnostic guess.

[Anonymous]

You've been calling a child names for the past several hours, OP.

You refuse to get into the details of the situation.

Clearly you've got major problems.

Go away now.

[Anonymous]

Not the OP but there are two families in our town who does this and it drives me bonkers.
The neighborhood has a lot of free range kids and we all keep an eye out for each others families. It works 99% of the time but there are 2 kids (both are 11) that can get completely out of control and their parents just ignore them or laugh it off when something happens.
This summer one of their kids was trying to drown their sibling at the pool and the lifeguards had to do a rescue. The parents were completely oblivious despite being within earshot of the whole commotion.
We avoid the parents and tell our kids to stay away from the kids if possible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If your kid has known issues respecting safety rules and adults generally, should you watch them more closely at public events, or do you just unleash them onto the world?

You may feel entitled to dump your destructive sociopathic s**thead onto your local public school, or shove cash over to some parochial private for some special attention, but outside of school, do you think it's fair to the rest of us to let him out of your sight, knowing he'll likely go wreak havoc all around, hoping it won't come back to you?

I think you don't understand some truly difficult mental health disorders?

Sometimes there is no solution, OP. Some parents are literally killed by their mentally ill children. Some parents have to renounce their guardianship of their own bio kid so that they can be institutionalized by the state, in order to not live in fear in their own homes, and in order for their other children to feel safe. It takes a while to get there.

I take it you're not ranting about some run-of-the-mill kid behavior.

Even assuming we are talking about that strawman of "truly difficult mental health disorder" in a tween, you do think it's ok to free-range that kid?

Sorry, I can't talk to someone who uses that word in the context of serious mental disorders.

Right. You're inventing/projecting the context of serious mental disorder. That is what makes it a strawman. I'm referring to destructive sociopathic shithead tweens. You should assume that 'sociopathic', when apposed to 'shithead' is as much hyperbole and frustration as it is a wild diagnostic guess.

No, it’s not okay. Most kids aren’t like this at all but for the rare few who are just s$$theads, yes their parents should keep a closer eye on them. We live in a neighborhood of families. The majority of kids, with helicoptering parents or free range parents, are completely fine. There are two families (out of hundreds) who have a kid who is trouble. One is a mean mean girl and the other is a mean bullying boys. Both sets of parents seem fine, both have siblings who seem fine. But a lot of us wish their parents would keep a closer eye on those kids.

[Anonymous]

Parents probably can't control the teen unless they are in juvenile jail OP.

[Anonymous]

Whats the terrible behavior? Bc Ive met way too many people who think letting your kid walk up the slide is “horrible” and want everyone to helicopter their kids like they do theirs. Who want to buffer their kids from every discomfort so are screaming about unsupervised kids bc some middle school age boy called their kid a turd or something.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If your kid has known issues respecting safety rules and adults generally, should you watch them more closely at public events, or do you just unleash them onto the world?

You may feel entitled to dump your destructive sociopathic s**thead onto your local public school, or shove cash over to some parochial private for some special attention, but outside of school, do you think it's fair to the rest of us to let him out of your sight, knowing he'll likely go wreak havoc all around, hoping it won't come back to you?

I think you don't understand some truly difficult mental health disorders?

Sometimes there is no solution, OP. Some parents are literally killed by their mentally ill children. Some parents have to renounce their guardianship of their own bio kid so that they can be institutionalized by the state, in order to not live in fear in their own homes, and in order for their other children to feel safe. It takes a while to get there.

I take it you're not ranting about some run-of-the-mill kid behavior.

Even assuming we are talking about that strawman of "truly difficult mental health disorder" in a tween, you do think it's ok to free-range that kid?

Sorry, I can't talk to someone who uses that word in the context of serious mental disorders.

Right. You're inventing/projecting the context of serious mental disorder. That is what makes it a strawman. I'm referring to destructive sociopathic shithead tweens. You should assume that 'sociopathic', when apposed to 'shithead' is as much hyperbole and frustration as it is a wild diagnostic guess.

No, it’s not okay. Most kids aren’t like this at all but for the rare few who are just s$$theads, yes their parents should keep a closer eye on them. We live in a neighborhood of families. The majority of kids, with helicoptering parents or free range parents, are completely fine. There are two families (out of hundreds) who have a kid who is trouble. One is a mean mean girl and the other is a mean bullying boys. Both sets of parents seem fine, both have siblings who seem fine. But a lot of us wish their parents would keep a closer eye on those kids.

What do these kids do, OP?

[Anonymous]

OP hasn’t been back.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Totally fine for a teen. They are old enough to make choices and live with the consequences. A few talks with the police might actually help.

Yes because the Police who are stretched thin already love dealing with parenting other people’s kids. In their interview they say my goal as a police officer is to get other people’s children out of bed in the morning because they refuse to do it for their parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Whats the terrible behavior? Bc Ive met way too many people who think letting your kid walk up the slide is “horrible” and want everyone to helicopter their kids like they do theirs. Who want to buffer their kids from every discomfort so are screaming about unsupervised kids bc some middle school age boy called their kid a turd or something.

I find walking up the slide really dumb and dangerous. It’s hurtful for the kid going up. I’ve seen one get his teeth knocked out.

[Anonymous]

Different poster but the one kid who is out of control in our town snuck into a younger kids yard and tried to hit him on the head with a shovel and shoot him point blank in the eye with a nerf gun. He also rough houses with other kids even when they tell him no.
The less egregious one forces their dog to climb up on playground equipment where the dog is clearly not comfortable. When a parent told them to leave they said that they didn't need to listen to them.

[Anonymous]

These kids must be rough to parent and exhausting at home. So they get lots of freedom to walk around town and get signed up for everything to get them out of the house. I’m familiar with what OP is talking about and it’s too bad because these kids need the most supervision but get the least.