lol I will still be against other extreme far-left liberal values and beliefs….what exactly are these values and beliefs? Letting your parents in the country, believing in rule of law, not supporting a violent overthrow of the elected government, etc? This is what is so unacceptable. People like who listen to Fox News and Trump tell the rest of us what is right and wrong. You are in a cult. Republicans have nothing to do with conservatives and you do not know what is leftist or far left. |
Actually no...I'll vote for Harris if I vote at all. Nothing in my post was pro-Trump/MAGA. Everyone I know understands that you can be anti-Trump/anti-MAGA, vote for Harris, and still have Republican and Conservative Policies and Values. |
We've seen with the Republican lies and subsequent violence in response to those lies that Republicans abhor legal immigration too. Vance, Trump, and everyone who supports those two just want voters to be scared of immigrants, regardless of whether they followed the rules to be here or not.
Trump's mass deportation promises underscore this as well. The only way to carry out that promise is to ignore due process and eject legal immigrants along with illegal immigrants. Nothing about Trump and the Republicans "mass deportation" plans show any plans for protecting legal immigrants from harm. |
OP, the problem is that the GOP has left people like you. that political party no longer exists.
There is absolutely room for conservative values like: -rule of law -importance of family -peace through strength abroad But that isn't today's Repubican party and the "Reagan coalition" is dead, to be replaced by Trumpism and MAGAs. When people are crapping on "conservative" values, it is the values being framed as conservative today, so the terminology and context is important. the MAGAs have hijacked the term. That is why you are seeing hundreds of prominent former GOP leaders and elected officials flocking to support Harris. |
^OP here...nothing in my post was pro-Trump/MAGA. Everyone I know understands that you can be anti-Trump/anti-MAGA, vote for Harris, and still have Republican and Conservative Policies and Values.
In short, I'm an Anti-Trump/MAGA Harris voter who supports Roe v. Wade, but doesn't support illegal immigration (legal immigration ok) and has issues with full universal healthcare. Wow - people commenting really need better reading comprehension. |
That's absolutely fine. You should've just said that. I don't care if you're conservative. I don't care if you are anti-abortion, etc. Be a Republican. Take the party back from Trump and his flying monkeys and believe what you want as a conservative, but Trump has destroyed the reputation of the party by spitting on traditions and decorum. Imagine how painful it was for McCain to sit and watch Obama get sworn in, but he did it because he respects the very foundation of this nation and put COUNTRY FIRST. Trump is a giant, 80yo baby who lost and tried to take power by force via his flying monkeys. I don't know how any Republican could normalize what happened on 1/6, let alone alone of the other corrupt things they've chosen to ignore. Make the Capitol attackers brown and black and doing that for Obama and I can only imagine the reaction. |
BTW, you don't even have to vote for Harris, I don't care. But anyone proactively supporting Trump, is simply depraved. |
I thought you supported freedom of speech? We have the right to voice opposition. I fundamentally disagree with you and also suspect you aren’t who you claim to be. |
What happened to "f&ck your feelings" crowd? We've been told you'd rather be Russian than a liberal, that our cities are under siege with guns and crime and POCs, that we're baby eaters, that we're pet eaters, that moderate Democrats will bring on WW3 or communism/marxism/socialism, etc. Most of us just want to go about our lives, while seeking good government, fair regulations, and helping out our friends and neighbors and the most vulnerable with modestly higher taxes on the rich in exchange for a better social safety net. We also hold our politicians accountable. Hell, I think a large contingent of Democrats are on board with stronger border protections, including the Lankford bill, if it also means businesses can't exploit workers. And same with abortion. Bring back Roe to the point of viability and you'd find most folks that are not Republicans would agree with it. |
PP, TY for this great summation. Tax policy is one thing, but racist, sexist bigoted BS is a deal breaker as is inciting violence whenever the party doesn’t get its way. These are not examples of political leaders I have in mind for my kids and can imagine that many parents feel similarly. Be like Walz, not like Vance. |
+ they are eating the cats. They are eating the dogs. |
Just curious - what are your problems with “full universal healthcare”? |
Another TL;DR, but it didn’t seem like you were heading in the direction of condemning a GD insurrection to stop the peaceful transfer of power.
That’s the point at which I stop reading. |
Yeah OP, now, where is the condemnation of all of the criminal activities by Trump? He's a convicted felon? His company was convicted of fraud. He's a convicted rapist. Is that really what your party represents? Yet, here we are -- the GOP nominee and standard bearer. Where is the condemnation for any criminal or unethical activities by the GOP? |
OP, it seems like you are looking for some sort of validation from "the far left" (apparently there is no such thing as the moderate left to you). I'm not sure how that validation will help you. I'm only a progressive (not "far left") but I can only speak for myself - I recognize and respect that some people have different opinions than me.
But, just be aware, the "Left" is a very large group of people that don't really agree with each other. Some of us are kind of crazy. Some think Harris is too conservative and won't vote for her because of that. And sometimes you may read things online from people and you assume they are left wing when in fact they are trolls. So if seeing people insulting conservatives online upsets you, stop scrolling and go read a book. |