Stop Judging and Disrespecting All Republican and Conservative Policies and Values

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I'm a moderate conservative Republican-leaning individual.
I'm a professional working female 50+.
I'm a first generation American whose parents legally immigrated here and fully assimilated, learned the language...one parent earning their GED here and finally when I was 13 one became a full US citizen. They came here with nothing. They were proud...they didn't go on welfare, they didn't get any handouts. They worked hard and sacrificed to put their two kids through college...without any college debt.

They were among a wave of legal immigrants in the mid to late 70s...who followed the same paths...worked hard, sacrificed and bettered not only themselves but society. Became hard-working citizens whose 1st generation kids also became hard-working citizens...and so on.

The majority of us are all Republican-leaning with Conservative Policies and Values.

We all immigrated from a socialist country and while some have retired there (with the wealth they made here in the US).
We know the pros and cons of universal healthcare. We know the benefits...but we also know the disadvantages.
We know that while the US isn't perfect, we'd still be better off here. We go back and visit our country but we know if we ever went back we'd have to be able to afford the private care/private clinics rather than depend on the universal healthcare system where for a simple cyst removal you have to wait months and then travel 3-4 hrs to a town with a hospital that can do the procedure..even though you live in the capital city of your region with a public hospital.

We see what happens when a flood of illegal immigrants to a small country already struggling + the socialist regime of "free everything/subsidies" to everyone including the illegal immigrants and those who do not contribute to society does to a country. There's a reason that many countries facing these same struggles have similar "Trump" political parties on the rise....not as quickly as the US, but on the rise nonetheless.

Then we have this article: https://cmsny.org/how-europe-closing-doors-to-asylum-seekers/
Where do you stand on this? Are you the bleeding heart type...the "let them all in...damned the long-term consequences"?
How important to you is a country's national and cultural identity?

The only area where I personally deviate from the more far-right conservative values is when it comes to Roe v. Wade -- but tell me...why didn't the Dems during their many years in power ever codify it? And honestly, even during Roe v. Wade (which yes, should be brought back and codified) abortion was regulated.

In 1973, the U.S. Supreme Court’s ruling in Roe v. Wade recognized that the decision whether to continue or end a pregnancy belongs to the individual, not the government. Roe held that the specific guarantee of “liberty” in the Fourteenth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, which protects individual privacy, includes the right to abortion prior to fetal viability.


After the point of viability, the state could ban abortion or take other steps to promote its interest in protecting the fetus. Even after that point, however, abortion must be permitted to protect a patient’s life and health.

Roe had two key parts: First, the Court ruled that, before viability, it is a pregnant person’s decision—not the government’s—whether to continue a pregnancy. Accordingly, the government cannot ban abortion for any reason prior to viability.

So -- yes, I believe in a woman's right to abortion....prior to fetal viability just as Roe v. Wade had intended and only after fetal viability to protect patient's life and health. But that doesn't address the gray areas of rape/incest if after fetal viability. It's also become hard to pin down "fetal viability" as it's a moving target as medical technology improves. So to get everyone to all agree on a codified Roe Act it's going to take a lot of compromise from both sides. And if it is codified into law...what is the punishment for breaking the law?

All this to say...I'll probably vote for Harris but don't you dare judge me for my Republican and Conservative Policies and Values because they will not at all change even if I vote for Harris.

I will still be against illegal immigration. We need to put a full stop to illegal immigration to allow our infrastructure to catch up. And yes, we do to some degree need to deport -- not all...but illegal immigrants with a criminal records/repeat offenders. As for those still here...no amnesty/automatic citizenship. I know Dems want to solidify their votes by granting more amenesty but heck no. Temporary work visas should be issued to all illegal immigrants, ensure they pay taxes! No free healthare. No subsidies. They come here to work and earn money only. If they want to remain after their work visa is up they to apply for citizenship they way all other legal immigrants do...go back to country of origin and wait like everybody else. No automatic birthright citizenship if born in the US to illegal immigrants! That's the worst thing every done -- and definitely needs reform! See what other countries are doing: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/birthright-citizenship-regulations-europe

I will still be against full universal healthcare...it's not the answer unless, like Australia does its universal healthcare, it only applies to our country's US citizens and not to illegal immigrants. But that also doesn't mean we simply grant amnesty/citizenship to the illegal immigrants already here - that's wrong too.

I will still be against other extreme far-left liberal values and beliefs.

The only thing I will be for? I will still be for Roe v. Wade and the right to abortion prior to fetal viability as discussed above.

Accept it and Respect it. Stop judging it. Because I'm not ever going to fully support all of your far left policies and values.


lol I will still be against other extreme far-left liberal values and beliefs….what exactly are these values and beliefs? Letting your parents in the country, believing in rule of law, not supporting a violent overthrow of the elected government, etc?

This is what is so unacceptable. People like who listen to Fox News and Trump tell the rest of us what is right and wrong. You are in a cult. Republicans have nothing to do with conservatives and you do not know what is leftist or far left.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I assume you wrote this here because no one IRL wants to listen to you, and I would say I'm sorry about that, but I guess sitting through your screed would count as a sort of social handout, so congratulations. You have what you deserve.


Actually no...I'll vote for Harris if I vote at all. Nothing in my post was pro-Trump/MAGA. Everyone I know understands that you can be anti-Trump/anti-MAGA, vote for Harris, and still have Republican and Conservative Policies and Values.
Anonymous
We've seen with the Republican lies and subsequent violence in response to those lies that Republicans abhor legal immigration too. Vance, Trump, and everyone who supports those two just want voters to be scared of immigrants, regardless of whether they followed the rules to be here or not.

Trump's mass deportation promises underscore this as well. The only way to carry out that promise is to ignore due process and eject legal immigrants along with illegal immigrants. Nothing about Trump and the Republicans "mass deportation" plans show any plans for protecting legal immigrants from harm.
Anonymous
OP, the problem is that the GOP has left people like you. that political party no longer exists.

There is absolutely room for conservative values like:

-rule of law
-importance of family
-peace through strength abroad


But that isn't today's Repubican party and the "Reagan coalition" is dead, to be replaced by Trumpism and MAGAs.

When people are crapping on "conservative" values, it is the values being framed as conservative today, so the terminology and context is important. the MAGAs have hijacked the term.

That is why you are seeing hundreds of prominent former GOP leaders and elected officials flocking to support Harris.
Anonymous
^OP here...nothing in my post was pro-Trump/MAGA. Everyone I know understands that you can be anti-Trump/anti-MAGA, vote for Harris, and still have Republican and Conservative Policies and Values.

In short, I'm an Anti-Trump/MAGA Harris voter who supports Roe v. Wade, but doesn't support illegal immigration (legal immigration ok) and has issues with full universal healthcare.

Wow - people commenting really need better reading comprehension.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Shorter: "You shouldn't be allowed to loathe me because i support the most loathsome thing to befoul the oval office."


Actually no...I'll vote for Harris if I vote at all. Nothing in my post was pro Trump/MAGA. Everyone I know understands that you can be anti-Trump/anti-MAGA, vote for Harris, and still have Republican and Conservative Policies and Values.


That's absolutely fine. You should've just said that. I don't care if you're conservative. I don't care if you are anti-abortion, etc. Be a Republican. Take the party back from Trump and his flying monkeys and believe what you want as a conservative, but Trump has destroyed the reputation of the party by spitting on traditions and decorum. Imagine how painful it was for McCain to sit and watch Obama get sworn in, but he did it because he respects the very foundation of this nation and put COUNTRY FIRST.

Trump is a giant, 80yo baby who lost and tried to take power by force via his flying monkeys. I don't know how any Republican could normalize what happened on 1/6, let alone alone of the other corrupt things they've chosen to ignore. Make the Capitol attackers brown and black and doing that for Obama and I can only imagine the reaction.
Anonymous
BTW, you don't even have to vote for Harris, I don't care. But anyone proactively supporting Trump, is simply depraved.
Anonymous
I thought you supported freedom of speech? We have the right to voice opposition. I fundamentally disagree with you and also suspect you aren’t who you claim to be.
Anonymous
What happened to "f&ck your feelings" crowd? We've been told you'd rather be Russian than a liberal, that our cities are under siege with guns and crime and POCs, that we're baby eaters, that we're pet eaters, that moderate Democrats will bring on WW3 or communism/marxism/socialism, etc. Most of us just want to go about our lives, while seeking good government, fair regulations, and helping out our friends and neighbors and the most vulnerable with modestly higher taxes on the rich in exchange for a better social safety net. We also hold our politicians accountable. Hell, I think a large contingent of Democrats are on board with stronger border protections, including the Lankford bill, if it also means businesses can't exploit workers. And same with abortion. Bring back Roe to the point of viability and you'd find most folks that are not Republicans would agree with it.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I haven't read all of what you wrote, but let's make something perfectly clear: No one on the left saw any previous Republican nominee (save Palin) as absolute trash. Racist, bigoted trash who has no respect for this country AT ALL. No respect for institutions, no respect for the law, no respect for ELECTIONS. When McCain lost, he called Obama to congratulate him and told his supporters not to boo. What does Trump do? Be a petulant pile of sore loser dogsh*t. No one gives a damn if you are a "moderate Republican" or a conservative Republican or just a Republican or a moderate Dem or a liberal Dem or an Independent. If you support Trump, nothing else you have to say means anything at all. He is filth and a clown. Even Putin knows the man is a moron and malleable puppet. Same with Netanyahu.


PP, TY for this great summation. Tax policy is one thing, but racist, sexist bigoted BS is a deal breaker as is inciting violence whenever the party doesn’t get its way. These are not examples of political leaders I have in mind for my kids and can imagine that many parents feel similarly.

Be like Walz, not like Vance.
Anonymous
+ they are eating the cats. They are eating the dogs.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:^OP here...nothing in my post was pro-Trump/MAGA. Everyone I know understands that you can be anti-Trump/anti-MAGA, vote for Harris, and still have Republican and Conservative Policies and Values.

In short, I'm an Anti-Trump/MAGA Harris voter who supports Roe v. Wade, but doesn't support illegal immigration (legal immigration ok) and has issues with full universal healthcare.

Wow - people commenting really need better reading comprehension.


Just curious - what are your problems with “full universal healthcare”?
Anonymous
Another TL;DR, but it didn’t seem like you were heading in the direction of condemning a GD insurrection to stop the peaceful transfer of power.

That’s the point at which I stop reading.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Another TL;DR, but it didn’t seem like you were heading in the direction of condemning a GD insurrection to stop the peaceful transfer of power.

That’s the point at which I stop reading.


Yeah OP, now, where is the condemnation of all of the criminal activities by Trump? He's a convicted felon? His company was convicted of fraud. He's a convicted rapist. Is that really what your party represents? Yet, here we are -- the GOP nominee and standard bearer. Where is the condemnation for any criminal or unethical activities by the GOP?
Anonymous
OP, it seems like you are looking for some sort of validation from "the far left" (apparently there is no such thing as the moderate left to you). I'm not sure how that validation will help you. I'm only a progressive (not "far left") but I can only speak for myself - I recognize and respect that some people have different opinions than me.

But, just be aware, the "Left" is a very large group of people that don't really agree with each other. Some of us are kind of crazy. Some think Harris is too conservative and won't vote for her because of that. And sometimes you may read things online from people and you assume they are left wing when in fact they are trolls. So if seeing people insulting conservatives online upsets you, stop scrolling and go read a book.
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