Your undergraduate degree isn't part of your legal education

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I believe California doesn’t require undergrad or a law school degree to sit for the bar. Ask Kim Kardashian how that is working for her.

She passed the California state bar exam on her 3rd attempt. Most view the California state bar exam as the hardest in the nation.

The baby bar. Not the bar exam. If she couldn’t pass the baby bar, the bar exam is going to be a huge lift.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I believe California doesn’t require undergrad or a law school degree to sit for the bar. Ask Kim Kardashian how that is working for her.

She passed the California state bar exam on her 3rd attempt. Most view the California state bar exam as the hardest in the nation.

The baby bar. Not the bar exam. If she couldn’t pass the baby bar, the bar exam is going to be a huge lift.

And it was her 4th time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I believe California doesn’t require undergrad or a law school degree to sit for the bar. Ask Kim Kardashian how that is working for her.

I'm licensed in CA. The state still allows people to "read for the law," or, in other words, apprentice rather than attend law school. In practice, this means that slews of hopeful paralegals who think they know everything but know close to nothing take the bar exam. And also the students who are stupid enough to pay for unaccredited law schools.

The state has a very high failure rate in general. But I've heard it batted around that for those who take the bar without attending law school the passage rate is like 5%. So it's really just kind of stupid that they still allow this. But whatever. It's fine. I'm not worried that Kim K will get licensed and go around %$#@ing up people's lives. Not gonna happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I believe California doesn’t require undergrad or a law school degree to sit for the bar. Ask Kim Kardashian how that is working for her.

She passed the California state bar exam on her 3rd attempt. Most view the California state bar exam as the hardest in the nation.

The baby bar. Not the bar exam. If she couldn’t pass the baby bar, the bar exam is going to be a huge lift.

This. Lol. Kim K did not pass the CA bar. She passed an exam that would enable her to continue studies that would allow her to eventually take the real bar. There is a huge difference. What she took was the equivalent of first year law school exams. Not hard at all. And she struggled mightily. She won't be passing the CA bar.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's often said it takes "it takes 7 years of schooling be a lawyer" because people often count the required 4 year degree to enter law school. But substantially, law is basically an undergraduate degree, the first degree in the subject (there are higher degrees that follow the JD, the LLM and the Doctor of Juridical Science).

The only reason JDs require that much university is because the US law profession gatekeeps (for no reason), not because you're getting 7 years of legal training or a more rigorous education than in other countries where law is a first undergraduate degree.

JDs are ultimately introductory courses, grounding prospective lawyers in the subject prior to taking whichever Bar course they need to qualify in their chosen jurisdiction(s).

The proof of this is the New York Bar Exam. Since there are global firms with offices in both NYC and London, there are several people who seek qualifications in both jurisdictions.

English LLBs can write the New York Bar Exam and are not required to get another qualification. They view the English LLB as "substantially and durationally equivalent" to the American JD, because both the American JD and the English LLB have three years of academic training and both the US and England are common law jurisdictions. The 4 years of college isn't part of the legal education.

Cool story bro. Who cares?

[Anonymous]

You’re right - but so what? The system isn’t changing any time soon.

If your point is that one could just do an LLB in the UK and then the NY bar exam and become a lawyer in the US, gaining an extra 3 years, then you are correct, but someone doing that won’t get a job in biglaw in the US, if that is the goal, as they won’t have a US JD, which those firms want.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Same for medicine. In other countries, you go straight from high school to med school. No 4 years of fluff.

I think there are a few combined BS/MD programs that are 6 years in length, similar to how medical school is done in other nations.

They've ended many BS/MD programs in last 10 years. Most BS/MD programs are 8 years long and if you finish undergrad early, they want you to do something else for a year before joining med school.

[Anonymous]

I did accelerated 5 year BS-MD and truly regret not doing 8 year BS-MD. Most physicians recommend 8 years and taking additional gap year or two to strengthen your academics, social skills, maturity level, research, clinical abilities and having some free time before going to med school, residency and fellowship path.

[Anonymous]

Young people shouldn't have to put their personal lives on pause during their professional education and training.

[Anonymous]

Seriously, law school is mostly about networking and internships, its not necessary like medical school.

[Anonymous]

Stupid post award winner!!!

[Anonymous]

It's the same for all academic degrees. Europeans do liberal arts in high school. It's basically equivalent to doing APs or early college and then 2-3 years undergrad and moving on to grad school.

The downside is that you have to start over if you change major.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I believe California doesn’t require undergrad or a law school degree to sit for the bar. Ask Kim Kardashian how that is working for her.

She passed the California state bar exam on her 3rd attempt. Most view the California state bar exam as the hardest in the nation.

False.she passed only the Baby Bar after three tries. She has NOT even attenpted the real cal bar.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Seriously, law school is mostly about networking and internships, its not necessary like medical school.

Law school is about First Year grades.

[Anonymous]

OP, your post is kinda random. Are you responding to something?