Your undergraduate degree isn't part of your legal education

[Anonymous]

It's often said it takes "it takes 7 years of schooling be a lawyer" because people often count the required 4 year degree to enter law school. But substantially, law is basically an undergraduate degree, the first degree in the subject (there are higher degrees that follow the JD, the LLM and the Doctor of Juridical Science).

The only reason JDs require that much university is because the US law profession gatekeeps (for no reason), not because you're getting 7 years of legal training or a more rigorous education than in other countries where law is a first undergraduate degree.

JDs are ultimately introductory courses, grounding prospective lawyers in the subject prior to taking whichever Bar course they need to qualify in their chosen jurisdiction(s).

The proof of this is the New York Bar Exam. Since there are global firms with offices in both NYC and London, there are several people who seek qualifications in both jurisdictions.

English LLBs can write the New York Bar Exam and are not required to get another qualification. They view the English LLB as "substantially and durationally equivalent" to the American JD, because both the American JD and the English LLB have three years of academic training and both the US and England are common law jurisdictions. The 4 years of college isn't part of the legal education.

[Anonymous]

What's the UK LL.B. pass rate vs. the US J.D. pass rate?

[Anonymous]

That’s part of why the NY bar passage rate is 50%. Because they let less well qualified people sit the exam.

[Anonymous]

Ma’am, this is a Wendy’s

[Anonymous]

I believe California doesn’t require undergrad or a law school degree to sit for the bar. Ask Kim Kardashian how that is working for her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What's the UK LL.B. pass rate vs. the US J.D. pass rate?

It's of course easier to qualify in the jurisdiction you're trained. Studying in an American program for 3 years gives you an advantage in the US because the Bar Exam has a lot of US-specific content. It has nothing to do with Americans having to do a prior degree or the JD being more "rigorous."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's often said it takes "it takes 7 years of schooling be a lawyer" because people often count the required 4 year degree to enter law school. But substantially, law is basically an undergraduate degree, the first degree in the subject (there are higher degrees that follow the JD, the LLM and the Doctor of Juridical Science).

The only reason JDs require that much university is because the US law profession gatekeeps (for no reason), not because you're getting 7 years of legal training or a more rigorous education than in other countries where law is a first undergraduate degree.

JDs are ultimately introductory courses, grounding prospective lawyers in the subject prior to taking whichever Bar course they need to qualify in their chosen jurisdiction(s).

The proof of this is the New York Bar Exam. Since there are global firms with offices in both NYC and London, there are several people who seek qualifications in both jurisdictions.

English LLBs can write the New York Bar Exam and are not required to get another qualification. They view the English LLB as "substantially and durationally equivalent" to the American JD, because both the American JD and the English LLB have three years of academic training and both the US and England are common law jurisdictions. The 4 years of college isn't part of the legal education.

Thanks for the platitude. Guess what? You also dont need to go to law school at all w a GED and can get licensed in VA and CA

[Anonymous]

I’m a lawyer and I agree. Undergrad was a checkbox. Even law school isn’t that great in terms of training. I wouldn’t count on it changing though. The gatekeeping in the profession is real.

[Anonymous]

Same for medicine. In other countries, you go straight from high school to med school. No 4 years of fluff.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ma’am, this is a Wendy’s

That was my thought too! Um, ok? 😂🤣😂🤣

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I believe California doesn’t require undergrad or a law school degree to sit for the bar. Ask Kim Kardashian how that is working for her.

She passed the California state bar exam on her 3rd attempt. Most view the California state bar exam as the hardest in the nation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I believe California doesn’t require undergrad or a law school degree to sit for the bar. Ask Kim Kardashian how that is working for her.

She passed the California state bar exam on her 3rd attempt. Most view the California state bar exam as the hardest in the nation.

(I wrote the above post.)

However, California & Vermont have low bar pass rates because law school is not a requirement in order to sit for either state's bar exam. Virginia & Washington states also do not require a law school degree in order to sit for the state bar examination.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I believe California doesn’t require undergrad or a law school degree to sit for the bar. Ask Kim Kardashian how that is working for her.

She passed the California state bar exam on her 3rd attempt. Most view the California state bar exam as the hardest in the nation.

Good for her!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Same for medicine. In other countries, you go straight from high school to med school. No 4 years of fluff.

I think there are a few combined BS/MD programs that are 6 years in length, similar to how medical school is done in other nations.

[Anonymous]

It is not "basically an undergrad degree" -- at least in the US -- because it is professional school.

At any rate, I get your point. When I went to law school we had one guy who hadn't finished his BA -- he'd applied early, before finishing it, and they admitted him and he came without finishing it. He crashed and burned and couldn't handle it socially, but perhaps that is a separate issue.

Not sure why you are desperately grinding this ax though. It looks a little obsessive and pathetic.