Dartmouth death

[Anonymous]

"Jang had been his high school valedictorian in Middletown, Delaware"

This is just so sad. His poor family.

[Anonymous]

Heartbreaking. I can't imagine the pain you carry for the rest of your life.

[Anonymous]

I know this could happen anywhere, but I dislike Dartmouth. It seems like a small enough school they could get a handle on the relentless drinking issues there. Maybe by offering more robust programming to counteract it and getting rid of things like frats and soph summers.

but also I hate their arrogance. that dean's podcast is a profile of narcissism

the two things combined pisses me off.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've been listening to the podcast hosted by the dean of admissions. I started to put aside all the stereotypes of Dartmouth from when I was in college and was pretty open to my kids applying there. But now I won't encourage it.

The first was graduate student/suicide, and the second was being "investigated" as a "possible" hazing incident. Hazing happens during initiation which would have happened (if at all) when he pledged, not over the summer between sophomore and junior year. Instead of gossiping about something so tragic, maybe wait for the facts to come out.

You clearly don’t know much about Dartmouth and specifically sophomore summer. For those of us who do, this is tragic but not shocking.

Yes i do - my kid goes there and from what they are saying this wasn't hazing. Don't turn a tragic death into gossip.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I've been listening to the podcast hosted by the dean of admissions. I started to put aside all the stereotypes of Dartmouth from when I was in college and was pretty open to my kids applying there. But now I won't encourage it.

The first was graduate student/suicide, and the second was being "investigated" as a "possible" hazing incident. Hazing happens during initiation which would have happened (if at all) when he pledged, not over the summer between sophomore and junior year. Instead of gossiping about something so tragic, maybe wait for the facts to come out.

You clearly don’t know much about Dartmouth and specifically sophomore summer. For those of us who do, this is tragic but not shocking.

Yes i do - my kid goes there and from what they are saying this wasn't hazing. Don't turn a tragic death into gossip.

Too late

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I like Dartmouth, but my kid did not bother applying because of the fraternity and drinking.

Schools in the middle of nowhere is usually like that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know this could happen anywhere, but I dislike Dartmouth. It seems like a small enough school they could get a handle on the relentless drinking issues there. Maybe by offering more robust programming to counteract it and getting rid of things like frats and soph summers.

but also I hate their arrogance. that dean's podcast is a profile of narcissism

the two things combined pisses me off.

Right. You should not assume that they are anything but proud of their “bro” cult.

This is a great example of a school whose Ivy credentials are not worth the price of spending four (if your most formative) years in a toxically male social environment.

[Anonymous]

The frat that’s now suspended was on “alcohol probation” all year. Yikes.

[Anonymous]

I was in a sorority and represented Greek women on student government for my college. My husband was on fraternity council for the college and won a prestigious award as an adult for being a notable alumni. We both remain tight to our friends to this day, and my husband has had tremendous networking over the years. We loved it.

Having said that, I am so glad my own teens aren’t interested. The reality is we were in dangerous situations and I would lose my mind if my kids did any of the stuff we did back then.

I am so sorry for this family, so tragic, whatever the cause. I only posted to say not everyone against is someone that didn’t get a bid, that’s silly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was in a sorority and represented Greek women on student government for my college. My husband was on fraternity council for the college and won a prestigious award as an adult for being a notable alumni. We both remain tight to our friends to this day, and my husband has had tremendous networking over the years. We loved it.

Having said that, I am so glad my own teens aren’t interested. The reality is we were in dangerous situations and I would lose my mind if my kids did any of the stuff we did back then.

I am so sorry for this family, so tragic, whatever the cause. I only posted to say not everyone against is someone that didn’t get a bid, that’s silly.

Thanks for speaking up. It's important.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is so sad. I thought initial reports were hazing?

Who would haze a GRAD student? That's not a thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is so sad. I thought initial reports were hazing?

Who would haze a GRAD student? That's not a thing.

The student who just died was an undergraduate who was in a fraternity. A grad student also died some month ago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was in a sorority and represented Greek women on student government for my college. My husband was on fraternity council for the college and won a prestigious award as an adult for being a notable alumni. We both remain tight to our friends to this day, and my husband has had tremendous networking over the years. We loved it.

Having said that, I am so glad my own teens aren’t interested. The reality is we were in dangerous situations and I would lose my mind if my kids did any of the stuff we did back then.

I am so sorry for this family, so tragic, whatever the cause. I only posted to say not everyone against is someone that didn’t get a bid, that’s silly.

I was in a sorority, there truly wasn’t any hazing and it was all pretty tame. The fraternities on the other hand…I’m
surprised there aren’t more alcohol related deaths (not saying this one ones, just in general).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Omg. So tragic.
What is soph summer?

Btw my recent senior has heard awful stories of his friends being hazed at Michigan….
Really dangerous.

So... why do students still pledge? If this is common knowledge, why isn't the consensus that this is a dumb waste of time, find other friends?

[Anonymous]

Because guys have a hard time finding friends. I think the residential college system is the way to go. Even in small colleges, you can set kids up in housing groups they stay in for 4 years - I think it would be esp beneficial in SLACS so you really mix w kids from other years.